Talk:Ability heredity
This article needs some help. First, it's nowhere near standard format, and has no category (nor does it fit well in any of the existing ones). Second, it should, following naming conventions, be "Second generation heroes". Third, we try to avoid using the word "Heroes" to describe people from the show because it's loaded, morally speaking.
I would suggest we make it into "List of second generation evolved humans", put it in Category:Lists, and expand it to include a list of ID'd second gens. Thoughts?--Hardvice (talk) 01:43, 30 January 2007 (EST)
Feel free to change it. I didn't know how exactly to format it and was at a loss for a synonym for people with powers. I was just trying to get the thought out due to the revelation of Janice Parkman's pregnancy and the impact that may have on a new generation of evolved humans. Sorry about that!! Disney42 01:46, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- No problem. It's a great idea for an article (especially since Claire and Micah are confirmed second gen evolved humans). It just needs some work, and it's probably best to solicit some ideas for how to clean it up, so I thought I'd ask.--Hardvice (talk) 01:48, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- Molly Walker was also a Second Generation metahuman.--Yoshie (talk) 10:33, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- I would be very careful about purporting that just because somebody is the child of an evolved human, that they are evolved themselves. The term "evolved" denotes that the change has already taken place — we have been using the definition that they have already exhibited powers. It's fine to mention Molly or the Petrelli boys as kids of an evolved human, but I would just caution against making the jump between 2nd generation and evolved. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- True. According to genetics, only 50% of the children of a metahuman will be metahuman. The other 50% will be carriers but not exhibit any abilities. In Molly's case though, we know her to have been a metahuman because of how badly Sylar wanted her - persuing her all the way to the hospital and nearly getting himself killed in the process. --Yoshie (talk) 11:36, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- While it's almosty certainly the case, it's not confirmed. She hasn't been shown on the list, she hasn't been shown on the map, and she hasn't shown any powers. All we know is Sylar wanted her ... we don't even know why, though it's almost certainly because she has powers. But then, why not just kill her in the FBI Headquarters? A brain is easier to take with you than a struggling child. It's possible he took the whole child because he needed the whole child, and therefore had another reason for taking her. Too little is known at this time to say with any certainty that she is or isn't evolved.--Hardvice (talk) 13:05, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- Where does this word "metahuman" come from? I'm not sure it's the best word. Is this the normal usage for it?--E rowe 11:46, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- "Metahuman" is the word DC Comics has used to describe their "super humans" for quite a while. According to Wikipedia: a "metahuman" is any human being with what are commonly described as "super powers". The justification for this alternate phrase is that "super" implies a value judgment—is super-strength somehow "better" than normal strength? Moreover, it implies that the ability is an enhanced version of a normal human ability—by which definition, telekinesis (for example), which is not possessed by normal humans, is not a superpower. These powers are referred to as metahuman abilities. The more common term for meta human is superhuman. :) You decide. --Yoshie 12:43, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- True. According to genetics, only 50% of the children of a metahuman will be metahuman. The other 50% will be carriers but not exhibit any abilities. In Molly's case though, we know her to have been a metahuman because of how badly Sylar wanted her - persuing her all the way to the hospital and nearly getting himself killed in the process. --Yoshie (talk) 11:36, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- I would be very careful about purporting that just because somebody is the child of an evolved human, that they are evolved themselves. The term "evolved" denotes that the change has already taken place — we have been using the definition that they have already exhibited powers. It's fine to mention Molly or the Petrelli boys as kids of an evolved human, but I would just caution against making the jump between 2nd generation and evolved. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- I've got a strong hunch that Peter and Nathan are second generation. But that's still just a hunch. I think there was a clue or two, but nothing that warrants putting it anywhere besides the theories section. Interesting point a bout Molly.--E rowe 11:44, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- Which could prove interesting if Nathan turns out to be Claire's birth father, as it would make her a 3rd generation.--Yoshie 12:50, 30 January 2007 (EST)
Article title
My suggestion would be "Power heredity" or something similar. --Ted C 10:25, 30 January 2007 (EST)
- Much better title - good job. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2007 (EST)