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my two cents...

just merge it with Trevor's ability, and call it shattering. at the very least we should ask BTE if the two abilities are the same, or even similar. --Piemanmoo`

  • We can't call Trevor's ability shattering because no concensus was reached and Tom can't have Trevor's ability. --Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 05:07, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Name

  • I was thinking of the EXACT same name, i mean EXACT. Molecular destabilization sounds like the PERFECT name. Its what I was going to put until I saw someone else put it up there.--Sylar501 17:53, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I think Molecular destabilisation would be a good name because it seems that the ornament has been destablised, not shattered. --Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 05:07, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I'd call it Resonant Molecular Destabilization because the ornament vibrated quickly before destabilizing, which could be because of a high-pitched sound that human's cannot hear, and it reaches the resonant pitch where the molecules just fall apart. --Madheroesfan 06:25, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • It could be due to high-pitched sound, but that is speculative. I think this would be a great place to test out Consensus check 2.0. Remember to only enter your name and a reason under the power name that you oppose. --Radicell 06:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Can you guys remember to leave a space between the last sig and the next ability name? There are some blocks that almost made me miss an possible name. Also leaving links for the two names I added, please read before opposing them: crumbling and collapsing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Personally, I like "collapsing" or "crumbling". They both sound good. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
          • People, you're supposed to sign only in the names you don't support. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:38, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
            • I'd Called it "Molecular Dispersion" - "Disperse" means to break up, vanish, vaporise. OmniScience

Consensus

!!!!! REMEMBER TO ONLY PUT YOUR NAMES ON THE SUGGESTIONS WHICH YOU OPPOSE!!!!!


If you like an idea and you put your name on it, we're going to assume you're opposed to it, and then won't you look silly? --Piemanmoo 23:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Since there is ongoing discussion I will strike out the names that will not be used, as they have been opposed, to direct peoples attention to new names so they can be discussed rather than people missing them. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 07:31, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Merge with Trevor's ability

  • Sound effects and other cues distinguish it from Trevor's ability; I highly doubt it's the same ability. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 07:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, Tom cannot have Trevor's ability. --Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 07:52, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Too speculative. -- Altes 08:57, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Not the same --Action Figure 11:51, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, not the same, different effects. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed -- Trevor makes things shatter, tom make things "Fragment" --IronyUTC CH 16:31, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, Trevor appeared to use outside force to shatter the glass, where as Tom destroyed the doll seemingly from the inside --Crazyaspie 16:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • If Sylar never used the ability the "first" time, why would he go after it again? Different abilities. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • They don't act the same at all. --Ikkian 19:45, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Molecular destabilization

Resonant molecular destabilization

  • Incredibly speculative. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 07:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • The same as above. -- Altes 08:57, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Too long and speculative. --Piemanmoo 10:25, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • --Action Figure 11:51, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, same reasons as Piemanmoo. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, a bit over complex. I like names that new viewers would easily understand such as shattering Bosco13 15:42, 22 April 2009 (GMT).
  • Opposed, too speculative. --Crazyaspie 16:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Again, speculative. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Shattering

  • I say it fits better for Trevor's ability. -- Altes 08:57, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • This isn't what happened. --Action Figure 11:51, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed. Doesn't look much like shattering to me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, the items do not shatter, shatter suggests to break apart with force, these fragment/collapse --IronyUTC CH 16:31, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed. I think it should be merged with Trevors ability and be renamed shattering. Bosco13 15:42, 22 April 2009 (GMT).
  • Agreed, the doll imploded --Crazyaspie 16:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Disintegration

  • Neither the angel nor the glasses were disintegrated.--Laudo 08:56, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed. --Cro Magnon 09:50, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, no disintegration. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed -- disentergration seems to suggest nothing is left behind, or if something an ash/cinder counterpart --IronyUTC CH 16:31, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed, it appeared to be more of an implosion --Crazyaspie 16:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Definitely didn't disintergrate. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Matter obliteration

  • The matter in question wasn't obliterated completely... it was fragmented. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 07:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, same reason as Thrashmeister. --Elemental Manipulator [ U | T | C ] - When in doubt, ask BTE 07:52, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • The same. -- Altes 08:57, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Ditto. --Cro Magnon 09:50, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Obliteration would mean it nearly ceases to exist, all this did was make it crumble into pieces.--Piemanmoo 10:25, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Ditto --Action Figure 11:51, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, there was no obliteration. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, obliteration suggest forcefully exploding --IronyUTC CH 16:31, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed. --Crazyaspie 16:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Pieces still exist. Not obliterated. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Telekinetic Disintegration

  • Incredibly speculative. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 12:24, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Nothing suggests he's telekinetic. And if it is related to telekinesis, Sylar would be able to do it already. Also incredibly speculative, as put by Thrashmeister. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Ditto --IronyUTC CH 16:31, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed --Crazyaspie 16:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Has nothing to do with TK --Piemanmoo 23:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • If we would use this, then why not just telekinesis? NO. - Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Crumbling

  • Too close to Crumpling, and not really an apt description.--Laudo 16:14, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Again, they don't really crumble, crumble is being broken off into small pieces, the whole thing crumbles though --IronyUTC CH 16:31, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • From the link I gave above: "Crumbling: transitive verb-to break into small pieces; intransitive verb-to fall into small pieces or to break down completely." Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:53, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Too casual/informal/both. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Collapsing

  • The word 'collapsing' seems to indicate that the action is reversible.--Laudo 16:14, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Collapse is something the object would do on it's own. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Fragmentation

  • Too wide, could mean he can break things apart without being in small pieces. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:53, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed, we need to be more specific until the powers are shown more --Crazyaspie 16:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Agreed. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Object destablisation

  • Opposed, too vague. --Ego 20:28, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, same as above. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:34, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Sounds too weird. If I lean too far back on my chair it becomes destablized, but it doesn't splinter into little pieces.--Piemanmoo 23:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Speculative. -- Tristan0709 talk 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Fracturing

Vibration control

  • I don't think this name is accurate. Tom used vibrations to destroy an object, but I wouldn't say that he controls vibrations. Likewise, Nathan may use air pressure to fly, or Linderman might use the body's natural systems to heal people, but we wouldn't call their abilities "air pressure control" or "body system manipulation". This just doesn't sit right with me... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:37, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Same as Ryan. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:44, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Sedimentation

  • How about that?--Cairoi 16:28, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Opposed, sedimentation is a process in which minerals are deposited over an area. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:22, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Sonic disintegration

  • Opposed, same reasons as disintergration is. The object isnt disintergrated. --345tom 08:41, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

moved dissent discussion involving opposition to Tom's ability naming convention

  • (To not generate discussion within the consensus-check items, I've pulled the following two replies out of the above list. I don't think we want to hold arguements over names within the consensus checks themselves; but rather, just list our opposition to the names in the list we are opposed to.) --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 13:21 (EST)
    • A name can't be opposed because you don't like it, or because another name is better. The name can only be opposed if the name is deemed incorrect. "Tom's ability" is an accurate name for this ability. There are others which are better, but opposing a name because others are better is simply not how it's done. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:54, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Tom's ability is incorrect, when there are sufficient attributes, characteristics, and details provided about an ability to name it based on those attributes. The only time XXX's ability should be used, is a temporary placeholder where the ability is either barely or vaguely used in such a way that it is yet un-namable. The ability that Tom presented was very clear; the only problem we have, is agreeing to one of several acceptible and equivalently suitable names. Tom's ability is incorrect, because of the amount of details we have been shown concerning this ability. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 04/22/2009 13:18 (EST)
        • No, "Tom's ability" is never incorrect. This ability is definitely Tom's ability. It might not be the best name, but it's not an incorrect name. Having details about the ability does not change whether this name is correct or incorrect. In fact, "Tom's ability" is the only name that is neither too broad nor too narrow. I agree with you, it's not the best name, but it's not incorrect. One of the tenets of the new consensus check system is that only absolutely incorrect names should be objected, not just names you don't like. In the end, if everybody follows the consensus check correctly, there would be several names left over, and we would make a choice from there. "Tom's ability" is always valid. Not ideal, but valid. Any opposition to that name will be ignored. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Gesture

When Tom uses this ability, does he makes the same hand gesture as Trevor? NuparuMahnika

  • Nope, Trevor held his hand like a gun. Why, I have a name - Gun mimicry!))) -- Altes 08:49, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Linderman never kissed people when healing them, but Ishi did. Gestures seem to be more of a personal preference rather than a required aspect. --Piemanmoo 10:25, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, apart from kiss, there were no other effects. I always expected that healing should be going with some sort of light, but it never did. -- Altes 11:08, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
        • Then what gesture did Tom did then? NuparuMahnika
          • Like when you hold your thumb and the next finger together to make an O shape.--Fr0z3nB0nes 13:18, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Object Disentergration

That's what I thought of when I first saw the ability.--WarGrowlmon18 18:15, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Video

Is anyone able to upload the video of Tom's ability on YouTube? --Ikkian 19:51, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Tom's ability = Trevor's ability?

It seems to me that both powers are very nearly the same. The hand gestures are different, and the looks of the "shattering" aren't quite the same, but is that any different from the red flame/blue flame difference between Meredith and Flint? That brings up a related thought: can two people share a "So and So" ability?--Cro Magnon 10:59, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I would agree with you. Knox's strength and Niki's strength were also listed under the same page despite having different attributes- Niki's is more or less constant, Knox needs people to be afraid. The difference between Tom's and Trevor's ability seems much less then that between Niki and Knox, or Sylar's telekinesis and Misha's (Misha's eyes glow blue when he uses telekinesis, Sylar's do not). The powers are close enough to be listed as different executions of the same power, not two distinct powers.Swmystery 9:16, 23 April 2009 (GMT)

sonic disintegration?

I was thinking sonic disintegration, because the object didnt disintegrate until tom clicked his fingers...so im thinking maybe the sound of that causes the effect, also it vibrated slightly before hand thats why im thinking sonic? --petrelli 20:53 ,22nd April 2009.

  • Probably related to vibration, and no need for the block bolding and italizing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:00, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
    • My guess was in relation to ultrasound waves. I watched that part again today and there were high-pitched sounds for a while before he snapped his fingers. There has to be a correlation.--Ikkian 17:10, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Fracturing?

The one fact about what we saw is that the item broke apart into many pieces. To fracture something is to physically break it. Tom's ability broke the item into many pieces. How the power did it is unknown, but the basic fact is the item was broken by Tom's ability. Whatever the actual power turns out to be, the result of it appears to be the complete fracturing of the figurine into pieces. --Ego 20:47, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

  • I think fracting is a bit too open for it, there are countless descriptions to what he did, finding the best description is what's tough. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:51, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I see your point. It's easy to open the thesarus and pick a word that seems to fit, but it's got to describe it as best as it can. However, we have to go off of what we know for sure, and that is that the figurine fell apart into pieces. I would say if not fracturing then crumbling. Crumbling fits more since the pieces appeared to just fall apart, like crumbs. --Ego 21:13, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
      • I've added crumbling and collapsing to the options a while ago. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I saw that you included it already, thanks. I was just supporting crumbling as probably the best option so far for describing what we actually saw. Fracturing does not fit as well after thinking about it more. Whatever caused the 'crumbling' effect is beyond me though.

Combine then rename

I think this article should be combined with Trevor's ability, then renamed. NuparuMahnika

  • I don't. I don't think we know enough about either one to say that they're the same ability. Similar, but I'm not convinced they're the same. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I really don't think they should, either. Trevor's ability seemed to me like kinetic energy projection, while Tom's one seems like ultrasound projection. Not the same at all. --Ikkian 15:36, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

induced disintegration

Anyone? --Tsmarg

Naming The Ability

Surely, as it seems, we can describe the ability and lets face it, that's better than "Tom's Ability". We should try to find a suitable name that descibes it just now and change it so we don't have to look at his name", I just hate that. I mean, what if another person came along and had that same ability, would we call it "Tom and X's Ability or still "Tom's Ability"?

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