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Source/Explanation
Future Hiro says "D.L. can phase inside the buildings." (Five Years Gone).

Superfluous Gallery?

I added a gallery to this page. However, the information is covered in the Examples section. Can these two sections be merged? I love the pictures, but I don't think having all the info from Examples is a good idea to put in a caption. Shoule we leave them as separate sections? I'm mostly asking because I'd like to add a gallery to some of the other individual power pages as well. Thoughts on combining? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:34, 7 December 2006 (EST)

    • Seems alright as it is on this page and others to me. --Ted C 13:07, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Speculation

If DL alters the object he is going to move through to phase, then it's likely that his phasing ability is inherently harmful to any person he affects with it. On the other hand, if he alters his own body, it's more likely that he has to intentionally cause harm (by partially re-solidifying in the other person, for example). --Ted C 13:07, 13 December 2006 (EST)

About the phasing thing

  • Why does DL only phase horizontally, shouldn't he phase through the ground and why not the earth !? Well, that was just a before-going-to-sleep thought. (it's the same thing for Hiro, what if he teleports into a wall ? ) hum...
    • Actually, posting this weird thought made me realize that if DL doesn't fall through the ground when he phase, isn't it that he actually do not phase but make something to the wall we wants to walk through ? I mean, it wounld'nt be him that has a special propertie when walking trough a wall, but the wall. Because if not, when he activate his phasing ability, he should phase through everything ? Maybe am I thinking too much, or maybe not enough I don't know and that's not a big deal but I was just thinking about that and I assumed it could be interesting to see what you guys think :) -- FrenchFlo (talk)        18:06, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • We haven't seen D.L. phase thru anything that's too thick. Basically, he could be phasing all of one leg while part of his body remains unphased. In Landslide, it seems as though D.L. was able to phase Jessica, Mr. Bennet and Matt along with himself at the same time so they could get into the secure elevator.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:22, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Personally, I think a wizard did it. There may be an explanation, but I just assume they don't worry about explaning it. (Admin 18:31, 15 May 2007 (EDT))
      • Not that it's necessarily the same as D.L., but when Kitty Pryde phases, she's not really affected by gravity, inasmuch as she can phase through floors and ceilings at will (but doesn't plummet through them) and can even walk on air. She does carry over any momentum she had before phasing, so that if you throw her and she phases, she'll pass through objects in her path.--Hardvice (talk) 18:41, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Not that it's canon, but in the X-Men movie I believe when she phased she dropped through the bed to get away. So I just assume it works however the character wants it to without regard for actual physics. :) (Admin 18:51, 15 May 2007 (EDT))
          • Actually, yeah. The first time she phased in the comics, she floated through the bed (and the floor) and woke up downstairs. And it takes concentration for her to walk on air, but not to not fall through the floor (at least not when she phases intentionally). So it is pretty much however the character wants it. But it would make sense for someone who is out of phase with the rest of reality to not be affected by physical forces ... if you have no mass and no matter, then there's nothing for gravity to work on.--Hardvice (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Oh, you know what? I completely forgot that I remember hearing somewhere that D.L.'s power actually doesn't change him, it changes the matter he's phasing through. So if the matter beneath his feet remains as is then he's able to walk through it without a problem. I don't remember if that explanation was from one of the writers, though. I believe if you look at the phasing scenes though you'll see that area around the penetration ripples which also helps explain this. (Admin 19:06, 15 May 2007 (EDT))
        • Wait a minute...Am I misunderstanding the question? Isn't D.L.'s ability controlled? I mean, he doesn't phase through everything he touches, right? So maybe he's just not actively phasing through the ground. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
          • No, you didn't misunderstand the question. The original poster's question took it as an all-or-nothing ability, which it might not be.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:25, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
            • Hey Admin, that's exactly what I was thinking, but if he changes the matter he's phasing through instead of himself, he shouldn't have to euh... what's the word... to hold, touch (?) Niki to make her phase with him. She should be able to phase trhough the DL-activated-wall. No  ? -- FrenchFlo (talk)        05:46, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
            • You're right, FrenchFlo. My theory about D.L. being able to partially phase himself still holds, though.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:31, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Hiro's teleportation

> what if he [Hiro] teleports into a wall ? To answer this second question, I think Hiro would be dead if he teleported completely into a wall... since the power is completely mental, he has no safeties (in Star Trek lore, a safety will dematerialize you and rematerialize you into the room if the original coordinates are bad: your particles get bounced off the wall).--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:25, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Active Concentration

I think it's safe to say that Phasing requires active concentration, since DL did not spontaneously phase to avoid injury from Jessica's first sniper shot in Fallout. --Ted C 18:34, 19 December 2006 (EST)

I agree - good move! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:52, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Power Name

OK, it's nagged at me long enough. I don't like calling D.L.'s power "phasing". "Phasing" is a term that Marvel comics coined to describe Kitty Pryde's ability to move through things, and Star Trek perpetuated the term with episodes like "The Next Phase", but it has no basis in reality. I would prefer a term like "intangibility", which more accurately describes that the power does without implying any mechanism. "Phasing" implies that some kind of phase alignment shift is involved, when there is no evidence of any such thing (nor any scientific plausibility to the concept). --Ted C 13:05, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Actually, the term "phasing" does apply. The logic behind it is that in physics, two objects on the same dimensional plane cannot exist in the same place at the same time. So phasing is the change of dimensional planes to allow for the objects to coexist in the same place at the same time (this is the basis of Kitty Pryde). Now in reality, a phase can also occur on a quantum level. There's some book in the school bookstore I flipped through about superhero powers in physics, where the author discussed Kitty Pryde's power, and how it could exist, in theory, because of phasing through quantum states. Intangibility makes it seem like he's physically unstable, so I'd prefer phasing personally.--Bob 15:06, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Harm vs. No Harm

Okay, speculation on how does D.L. control his phasing power from harming people.

The speculation that makes more sense is that he can temporarily alter his own object phase in order to "slip through" the physical barrier. However, it would also make sense if he can project a small phase field around himself (or anything he touches) which breaks the phase.

There are two instances where DL uses the power in HTH combat... Once against Jessica, and once against Linderman.

In the case of Jessica, he had his hand(s?) inside her chest, and Micah came in and said, "Dad! No!"

What likely happened is he squeezed her heart, or her lungs, completely messing up her heart rhythm and breathing, and it's one tremendous jolt to the system. It was almost a killing blow, but Micah's warning gave him just enough control to prevent the move from being lethal. Given Jessica's constitution, she can recuperate from that easily.

In the case of Linderman, he had his hand in Linderman's skull.

What likely happened is he squeezed Linderman's brain to mush.

Comments?

-- Kschang 17:38, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

  • At present, we don't know if DL changes himself or the material he passes through. If he alters the material he's going to pass through, the power may be inherently harmful to other living things if he tries to phase through them. --Ted C 10:24, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
    • As of last night's episode (Four Months Ago), I think it's safe to say that it's D.L. himself who changes.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Description

The description "Move through solid matter" might need changing since in Four Months Ago, DL used Phasing to walk through fire without injuries. I'm pretty sure fire isn't solid matter like walls... ^_^

-- Dave 20:28, 13 November 2007 (GMT)

  • Whether he moves through solid matter or solid matter moves through him is just perspective. I've updated the limits / examples section.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2007 (EST)
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