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SO I was getting set to take Peter and Sylar off all the powers, and it just occurred to me that's gonna leave "cryokinesis" as "unknown" again, which seems wrong since there is a known user. Any ideas on how to make it clearer within the portal that we're listing only the original character? --Hardvice (talk) 14:57, 20 February 2007

  • How about just a big disclaimer at the top that says "Only original holders of powers are listed. Those that have duplicated powers are not listed here." — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:31, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Engineer

  • Any reason not to include the Engineer as an example of induced radioactivity even though he never actually aired? We do have articles on him plus the unaired episode is supposed to be included on the season one dvd set when it comes out. (Admin 12:47, 5 March 2007 (EST))
    • Mostly to clean up the page. Every other power only lists one person per power. Plus, since he's a cut character, it's kind of an iffy judgment call. If you want to put him back, that's fine. I was just trying to streamline the page and follow suit with how he is now listed on induced radioactivity (in the notes). — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Superfluous space

Right now, only "Space-time manipulation" and "Electronic data transception" are taking up more than one line for the power name. It would look a lot more succinct, I think, if we shortened these two names and took out extra whitespace. We could change Hana's power (on this page only) to just "Data transception". I know it's not as descriptive, but it's just for this page, and it will link to the full description on Electronic data transception.... Hiro's power is a bit more tricky -- we could use one of his shorter power names ("teleportation" or "time travel" for instance). I know that's very limiting, but again, it's just for this page. We could also just put "Space-time", or "Bending space-time" might fit too.... Or we can just leave the big cells as they are. Thoughts? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:49, 5 March 2007 (EST)

  • I like it as is. It doesn't really bother me that they take up two lines, and calling Hiro's power "Teleportation" or "Time Travel" even just on this page would be a lot worse in my opinion.--Hardvice (talk) 13:01, 5 March 2007 (EST)
    • It kind of bugs me that there's so much space, but I'll deal. I agree, though, I can't think of a good solution for Hiro's power. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:46, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Examples variable

Weird. I didn't think there was an examples variable anymore, but the examples link was just not showing up for me. I added it "examples=" and it showed up in the preview. When I took it off, the examples link was gone. It's showing up now, so it's kinda moot ... but weird, eh? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:31, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Since the content of the page itself didn't change--just the results of one of the templates--it probably just showed you the cached page. It saw no edits to the page or its included templates and assumed that was correct.--Hardvice (talk) 14:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
    • ...but it went back after I took it off, which is the part that really gets me. ... Are you saying I just need to do a shift-F5 cache to see it? I'll try that next time. Thanks. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
      • Well, yes, that is weird. Still, there's two separate caches going on; Mediawiki caches the generated pages (which I don't really know much about, except that it can create issues with randomized content) and your browser caches visited pages. I'd imagine it's just a combination of the two, though I'd be hard pressed to come up with an explanation.--Hardvice (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Oneiromancy

Sorry if I'm bringing up something that has already been resolved. But shouldn't Peter's dreams be treated somewhere besides "Empathic Mimicry"? Even though they aren't perfect precognitions, they still seem to convey knowledge to him via extra-sensory means. In addition, it seems like Charles Devaux exhibited the same ability. And since that occurrence is the only canonical evidence of Devaux being an evolved human, there should be a place for it, especially since the groundwork is being laid for the audience to learn about his significance in earlier developments regarding evolved humans. The term "oneiromancy" applies more the ability to interpret dreams prophectically than the ability to have prophetic dreams. But I think it covers both. And it might be a good way to capture what Peter does and what Devaux did without causing confusion between that and Isaac's precognition.--E rowe 18:06, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Don't be sorry, you have legitimate questions. Peter's visions are mentioned briefly on empathic mimicry--I personally don't think they should be there, but I'm not so objected to them there, so I haven't removed them. There hasn't really been much talk about it--this is all I could find. His dreams are dealt with in much more depth on the Peter's visions article. As for the part about Charles Deveaux, I would say it sounds very reasonable, but it's still a theory or a spoiler. Does that answer your question? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
  • My thoughts about oneiromancy--isn't that more of a practice that people actually use today, and less of a superpower? To me, it would be like saying somebody who can predict the future based on the stars has the power of "astrology". I'm not sure that oneiromancy is a power, but rather an actual system or study (no matter how dubious it may be). — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
    • You're right about oneiromancy. But the people who do it (or did it in cultures where it was valued) believe and act like it works. As far as they're concerned it's a supernatural ability. I would say the same about astrology. The fact that we may think it's all hokum in the real world shouldn't stop us from accepting it as a power in the world of heroes. There are people around who practice telekinesis (*cough* yeah right...fake), but that shouldn't stop us from naming the power in Heroes that, just because it really works in Heroes but it doesn't in real life. But with Devaux, it's not a spoiler is it? I mean his daughter said he dreamed of flying with Peter in an already aired episode. So I would view that as a canonical reference to his experiencing essentially the same kind of dream as Peter's on at least that occasion if no other.--E rowe 18:36, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
      • Good points, though I'd still call it something like "dream interpretation" since "oneiromancy" isn't a well-known term, in my opinion. Regardless, we're talking about a hypothetical power. I don't think we're ready to say that just because Charles had a dream, that now he's an evolved human. He very well may be, but we'll need more confirmation. Afterall, we never said that was Peter's power, and Peter experienced dreams from the first episode. As for Deveaux, I think being portrayed by the man who once was "Shaft" is even more of a power, but that's just me... :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
        • Well, I just checked the OED, and it seems that oneiromancy is limited to prophetic dream interpretation rather than prophetic dreaming. Same for oneiroscopy. Unfortunately, even in the OED there isn't a whole lot on either term. So, I agree, those aren't ideal names here. But if others agree, I tend to think it should be a separately named power and that its canonical occurrences include that of Devaux as well as those of Peter. These occurrences are not a theory or spoiler; they are from canon sources. Something like suggesting that Peter got the power from Devaux via mimicry would be a mere theory. I'm still up in the air about the right name.--E rowe 18:55, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
          • The trouble is, there's too little we know about these dreams. It's possible Charles had a power, or it's possible Peter picked up the power from somebody else and used it with Charles the way Sanjog used his powers with Mohinder. We can't even be 100% sure it really is a separate power, and not merely an aspect of Peter's power (it's likely, but far from certain). For that matter, it may not even be a power ... it would require some really awful writing, but it's possible they're just dreams. I just can't see the advantage of locking in a name for a possible power we know next to nothing about, including the possessor, the effects, and the limitations. Even if the article itself isn't conjecture, everything of value we could say within it would be. I think Peter's visions is adequate for now: it details what we've seen without making any assumptions as to the cause, source, veracity, or meaning, all of which would be speculation.--Hardvice (talk) 20:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Teleportation,clairvoyance

  • Shouldn't we have a section for Other about powers the Chandra mentioned. Jason Garrick 18:40, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
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