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Folder Titles vs. Power Titles

I love the addition of the folder titles. Should we include links to our corresponding power titles? This would be great for obvious reasons. It presents 2 problems, though: 1, we can't be sure of some of the correspondences, and 2, it highlights the fact that we have different names for powers listed canonically on the show. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:39, 3 January 2007 (EST)

My assumption is that Dynamic Camouflage would be the same as invisibility... Anomy

  • Most likely, but no confirmation yet. We haven't changed the others except when we have at least an external source like an interview (Induced radioactivity) or some on-screen evidence (Rapid cell regeneration -- when Mohinder flips through the file, you can read "Odessa, TX" in it.) So far, Claude's power has only been called "invisibility".--Hardvice (talk) 02:10, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Notice the discrepancies?

In the pictures on this page, it almost appears as though there are two sets of files. See here and here. The file directly behind Rapid cellular regen is different. Anomy 01:59, 30 January 2007 (EST)

  • It could just be the angle blocking the folder behind in one picture. But curious nonetheless.--Hardvice (talk) 02:12, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Folder titles

  • Precognition isn't necessarily the same as clairvoyance. Precognition depends on seeing things before they occur; clairvoyance depends on seeing things remotely, but not necessarily before they occur.
  • Dynamic camouflage is not necessarily the same as invisibility. It might well be, but we lack any evidence about it.--Hardvice (talk) 13:25, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Brian Davis

Brian Davis's name was found on a Post-it note in a file, but it wasn't necessarily the Genesis Files. Besides, the Genesis Files tend to be more about powers, and less about people. Regardless, it's speculative to include the Post-it here. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:15, 26 February 2007 (EST)

  • It was on one of the files Chandra had with him in Six Months Ago. Sylar goes flipping through the files in frustration when Chandra tells him he may not have any powers. Aren't those the Genesis files? (Admin 11:20, 26 February 2007 (EST))
    • That's what I thought too, and why I added it here. Have we seen Suresh with any file folders 'other than' the Genesis files anyway? To me, it would be speculative to assume Brian Davis' post-it note file was not a Genesis file, rather than the other way around; since no other files have been seen or shown to be used by Suresh. Also, if you look at the folder itself, what little writing you can make out, you can that folder is talking about pwoers, 'Psychic powers and 'induced hall(ucination)'. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 111:37, 26 February 2007 (EST)
      • Well, I don't think by leaving his name off this page is saying that he either is or isn't a part of the file, so there's no speculation.

        That said, if the file is part of the Genesis Files, then I guess we should include it. I don't remember, and I don't have the episode here at work to check on it. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:29, 26 February 2007 (EST)

        • Here's the transcript reference to the file folders (of which Brian Davis' postit is included) in Chandra's office from the transcript of Six Months Ago.
        • More conclusively, here's the video clip from (Six Months Ago), at the 4:23 mark, where Sylar picks up Chandra's folders, and goes into the top one, and pulls off Brian Davis' postit, and then reads the folder under it, after the postit is removed, and comments that it says Brian Davis is telekenetic....showing the folder-page the postit was on, was talking about Brian Davis. After careful re-review, this clip should remove all doubt that the postit note of Brian Davis is attached to the folder entry of Brian Davis; because Sylar clearly removes the postit with one hand, and then looks down at the folder with the other hand, and reads that Brian Davis has Telekinesis.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 14:37, 26 February 2007 (EST)
          • That was never in doubt. What was was that the folder is part of the Genesis Files. I agree that it almost certainly is, but it hasn't been shown to be a part of them.--Hardvice (talk) 14:54, 26 February 2007 (EST)
          • On second thought, it's impossible for the Brian Davis file to be part of the Genesis files. In Genesis, Mohinder grabs the Genesis Files in Madras, meaning Chandra left them behind when he went to New York. The Brian Davis folder is not part of the Genesis Files Mohinder finds in Madras, which is what this article is (currently) about. It could be renamed "Chandra's Files" and include Brian Davis's file (as well as Sanjog's), but neither is part of the file folder Mohinder finds.--Hardvice (talk) 14:58, 26 February 2007 (EST)
            • Maybe the term 'Genesis files' is too specific in the first place. Just because one of Chandra's folders has this label, and we know 'some' folders are within it, it doesn't mean all gentic enhanced folders are within Genesis, and it doesn't mean we should discount other Chandra folders about unusual genetic people. The description of this page states: The Genesis files are a series of research files compiled by Chandra Suresh on the emergence of unusual genetic powers in certain individuals. Brian Davis' file, whether it is within the Genesis folder itself or not, is still just as much a research file compiled by Chandra Suresh on the emergence of unusual genetic powers in certain individuals. Perhaps instead of narrowing it down to be called 'Genesis Files' maybe it should just say 'Chandra's Files'. My point is, we shouldn't have to proove a folder on genetically enhanced people are 'within' the Genesis files folder should we? Shouldn't any folders by Chandra that involve genetically enhanced individuals be grouped together, until we find a specific reason to group 'Genesis' genetically enhanced people differently than 'non-Genesis' genetically enhanced people. Wouldn't it be more accurate, to simply refer to 'Chandra's Files on unusual genetic powers' and then make a note that at least some of the folders have been found to be grouped in a 'Genesis' folder(but we can't confirm its significance yet, or if/why some/all folders are nor are not included within the Genesis folder)? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 14:47, 26 February 2007 (EST)
              • I would be hesitant to rename this page "Chandra's Files" because I think that's too all-encompassing. I think Sanjog's file is a very different thing from the Genesis Files, which are both quite specific names. If we want to make an article for his other files, I would call it something like "Chandra's New York Files" or even just "Chandra's Files", but I wouldn't group GF and SF together. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2007 (EST)
              • No. If you read the episode history and the photo caption, it's made very explicit that the "Genesis Files" refers to the ones Mohinder takes from Chandra's apartment in Madras. We can't just label any of Chandra's folders as part of the Genesis File because that implies that they are from the file set Mohinder finds. They're different objects and deserve different articles.--Hardvice (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2007 (EST)
                • So what we're really saying, then, is that 'Genesis Files' are only a specific subset of the total "research files compiled by Chandra Suresh on the emergence of unusual genetic powers in certain individuals." (quoting the description given on the Genesis Files page. Usually subsets are part of a whole, or part of a bigger set. aka ('Chandra's Files'?) Shouldn't we then create a page for 'Chandra's Files', and then have any subsetted groups listed off of it (which would include the Genesis subset, and possibly the 'Brian Davis' subset of files that Sylar scattered, etc...and we could add any future subsetted groups to this page as well. It just seems to me, that we are focusing on 1 single subset without having a page for the overall group that the subset belongs to.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:47, 26 February 2007 (EST)
                  • I have no problem with an article for Chandra's other files, but this article is not it. It would be like adding Jessica's rifle to Jessica's gun; they are different items with different histories. I'd rather see a separate article for the files on evolved humans Chandra has in New York than an overarching article for all of his files. With a few exceptions like Isaac's paintings, most of the Items articles relate to specific items, which makes the About section practical. To use Jessica's guns as a parallel again, an article called "Jessica's firearms" which included both the gun and the rifle wouldn't be as useful as separate articles for each gun because the two guns have separate appearances and histories. I'll go ahead and change the lead text of this article to make it clearer that this applies only to the one set of files (not that it's Gospel or anything, and I think it's already abundantly clear from the rest of the article what is and isn't included). Then you can add whatever article you'd like for his other files.--Hardvice (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Dynamic camouflage

Anybody have any idea what this power could be? Heroe 21:12, 7 March 2007 (EST)

  • In my honest opinion, it's invisibility. Dynamic is to use instantaneously (when needed), and what better camouflage than stealth? --Riddler 21:18, 7 March 2007 (EST)
  • I don't think the writers ever gave it much thought, personally. However, if I had to guess, I'd say it was the ability to blend in with your surroundings. Kinda like the cover of the OK Go album. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:51, 10 March 2007 (EST)
  • Quicksilver linked it to illusion, but I don't see any sound reason for that. I'm removing that link. --Ted C 10:15, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Trying out a notes section for unclear items like this. --Ted C 10:18, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Good call on the Notes section -- that way we address the issue without making a definite decision about it. I tweaked the note a bit to be less speculative. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2007 (EDT)