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I'm adding here the exact order of appearance as much as I can but I'm not exactly sure who's who. I mean because I'm not sure of the names and the namings.

Nathan Petrelli (Sylar)

  • I'm pretty sure Kimiko came right after Hiro/Ando... Ando was looking at the photograph and once they lowered it we saw Kimiko's face, calling them idiots. --Radicell 06:57, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes but while before that scene, Hiro and Ando appear while Sullivan is talking. --Janrodrigo 07:02, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Good point. I'll have to re-study the episode. What do you mean with "Lady with umbrella" and "Brawn haired lady" though? Why do we need articles for them? --Radicell 07:23, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Rechecked the episode, the correct order is Ando -> Hiro -> Annie -> Kimiko -> Hesam. --Radicell 07:31, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
          • I'd to note their appearance somehow, that's until I went upto the end of the episode, to see whether they would speak and appear again. I just finished rewatching quickly both of the episodes (without subtitles unfortunately), and the lady with the umbrella and the brown-haired one who were in the funeral, didn't appear again so I removed them. But the Old guy, appears again, he's the one having Space-time manipulation and sending Sullivan 14 years back in time. How to name him? --Janrodrigo 07:48, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
            • I thought that the guy next to Peter, in the 2nd minute (while Samuel is speaking) is Hesam. Can you check it? I've put now as you told. But if he's Hesam, we'll have to put him before Annie. --Janrodrigo 07:48, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
              • You mean the guy pushing the gurney together with Peter? I don't think we know that's Hesam; it could be any other paramedic/hospital worker. --Radicell 07:54, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
                • Yeah, you're right about Hesam. What about the "Old guy"? How to name it? And especially what about "Sythan"? In this episode if you're aware, there're 5 different appearances about Nathan&Sylar. First Sylar appears as he is (during Samuel's speech) and two times, then Nathan also appears as he is (also during Samuel's speech). Third, Sylar appears as an hallucination of Matt Parkman, he appears as a part of his mind. (I assume that probably this Sylar is the expression of the acquired reactive momentum on the mental plate, which Matt acquired during what he did to the real Sylar.) Fourth one is the dream of Angela seeing Sythan as Sylar. And fifth is Sythan, the one who's going to appear - until Sylar is completely back. I prefer to name him "Nathan Petrelli (Sylar)". What are we going to do with him? He's not Nathan that's for sure. But he's not entirely Sylar neither, his personality & character have been changed, it's like a combination Gabriel Grey's old personality and Nathan's personality; he has only the memories of Nathan, he thinks he's Nathan; he has the body of Nathan, but his DNA now is mixture of Nathan's and Sylar's (as in order to change the shape of the body, one needs to change his DNA). So are we putting him simply under Sylar or create a new page for Nathan Petrelli (Sylar)? I'm willing to create Nathan Petrelli (Sylar). --Janrodrigo 08:20, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
                  • Sythan is not Nathan. He's still Sylar, right? But in Nathan's form. Thus, we list him under Sylar. If it's the actual Nathan (who's dead) that appears (as he did while Samuel was speaking), then we list him as Nathan. And the figment of Matt's imagination would also be listed as Sylar. The template in its current form already takes care of all these things. --Radicell 08:23, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
                    • I would be glad if you didn't remove him from the talk page as here is not the page of the actual template. Thus, we would know where Sylar (the old one) and Nathan (Sylar) appeared separately -- until the wiki is a hundred percent decided. By the way, in Six Months Ago we named Sylar as Gabriel Gray, not Sylar. Because he wasn't Sylar yet. So what I mean that even we don't agree to create a new page about him, at least there should be a different name in the template. --Janrodrigo 08:37, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
                      • Sorry 'bout that, I was getting rid of the red links. The difference between your example and this is that in the case of Six Months Ago, both "Gabriel Gray" and "Sylar" refer to the same person. In this case, however, there are two people involved (Sylar and Nathan). Thus, it comes down to "choosing" who to put in the template, and the most appropriate choice would be Sylar (since it is Sylar we are talking about). --Radicell 08:46, 22 September 2009 (EDT)


Maybe it's something specific to how my computer is set up, but this template is not balanced. The last column is longer than the rest. It should be that the first three columns are even, and the last one is short (like a newspaper). Ditto Template:AppearancesJump, Push, Fall, where the second column is long and the last column is short. However, if it's just something that I'm seeing on my computer and the templates look fine on other computers, then ignore this message. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:27, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Looks fine on my computer. There's 7 in each column for this one. In the JPF template, there's 6 in each of the first three columns, and the last one has 5. --Radicell 08:29, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Okay, then it must be my computer. I see seven lines of text in the first three columns, but the last column has eight lines of text because MM's owner spills onto the next line. It's impossible to get everybody's computer to show the same thing, so if it looks fine on your computer, then I'm satisfied. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:34, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Ah, alright. I thought that might've been the case. Isn't there some way to use & nbsp ; to solve this kind of problem? --Radicell 08:38, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Well, I guess we can try...but we definitely don't want the names of the characters to run into the next column. The best thing to do is to shorten the names (like having New York Federal Bank manager shorten to just "bank manager"). I'm not sure we can do that with Muffin Man's owner. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:47, 23 September 2009 (EDT)