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excess redirects

Hey, Ryangibsonstewart. Check out the discussion I started at Talk:Brain_removed regarding liberal use of redirects. :) I think we need to reach a good balance between piping and redirecting. :) (Admin 00:35, 3 December 2006 (EST))

  • Yes, thank you ... Still learning the wiki-quette ... I'll cut down on my redirects. Thanks! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:38, 3 December 2006 (EST)
    • Hey, no problem. Etiquette here is constantly evolving, so we all learn at the same time. :) As we try new things we get feedback from the community and that consensus from the community forms our etiquette. (Admin 00:41, 3 December 2006 (EST))
  • I have a ton of redirects on my site, just because of 'case sensitivty' of article names. Do you guys have this same problem, Or have you found a work around on the case sensitive mediawiki issue? Rovo 15:03, 3 December 2006 (EST)
    • We don't have too many redirects that are due to case sensitivity. The solution to this problem is generally to set a policy regarding article naming. Suggestion is to basically capitalize articles as they'd be naturally capitalized in the middle of a sentence. (e.g. "Let's go to Peter's apartment." The article would be named "Peter's apartment" not "Peter's Apartment") If you follow the policy then any miscapitalized links can just be corrected instead of setting up redirects. (Admin 14:36, 8 December 2006 (EST))

Audio uploads

I would love to have an audio clip as an example of Eden using her powers, but the wiki isn't accepting media uploads. I don't know exactly what it entails, but is it possible to set up multimedia support for audio uploads. I think it could be used for other things, too, like the depiction of Matt's telepathic hearing. What do you think? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:28, 4 December 2006 (EST)

What audio format you using? I think it accepts .ogg files already. I'll see about adding other formats, but want to make sure there aren't any good reasons not to include support for .wav or .mp3 for instance. (Admin 13:33, 4 December 2006 (EST))
Hardvice is pulling together an audio file, and he said it was in .ogg -- if the site accepts, we're good to go. I'll check with him. Thanks! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:46, 4 December 2006 (EST)
Ok, good. I'm thinking to be safe we may just want to standardize on .ogg anyway since it's free and unencumbered by patents. If files are in a different format you can download the free audio editor Audacity (which I use personally and find to be very good) to convert them to .ogg. Codecs exist for all major players. Some more info at Wikipedia's Audio page. (Admin 13:47, 4 December 2006 (EST))
Hardvice is unable to upload them. See here - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2006 (EST)
Got it. Thanks!--Hardvice (talk) 14:06, 4 December 2006 (EST)


  • Redirects to a particular section don't work. (Admin 20:46, 5 December 2006 (EST))
    • Ah, dang. :( ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 20:47, 5 December 2006 (EST)


I hope you don't mind me asking, but I'm having trouble with parserfunctions rendering html correctly in a table, on my site. A bunch of others over at are experiencing the same problem. The only solution seems to be, $wgUseTidy=true; in your LocalSettings.php. Is this what you did on your site, or have you found another solution? I and a bunch of others would greatly appreciate any insight into this. p.s. I can't believe I have to wait till Jan 22 for the next Heroe episode, jeeez. Thanks Rovo 11:26, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Yeah, I use $wgUseTidy=true; here. I think I may have added that back when I installed ParserFunctions in order to get it to work properly as well. (Admin 11:30, 6 December 2006 (EST))
I put that in my localsettings.php, and it works good, but then my left navigation column(monobook) is relocated ontop of my wikibody. Did you have that problem when you set tidy to true? Rovo 11:42, 6 December 2006 (EST)
I don't believe I did. Do you have other extensions that may be conflicting? Are you using the Cite extension by any chance? I recall having bad luck trying to get that to play nice with ParserFunctions. (Admin 11:45, 6 December 2006 (EST))
That I do, must be the problem. Do you do referencing on your site? Rovo 12:08, 6 December 2006 (EST)
Not using a separate references section. So far we just do inline references. I wanted to be able to use the Cite extension as well, but when it didn't play nice I put it aside for a while since the ParserFunctions were more important to me. (Admin 12:18, 6 December 2006 (EST))
I really appreciate your help. How did you come to learn MW so well? Also, if to personal, I understand(just ignore) but how does Wikiheroes support itself. Rovo 12:57, 6 December 2006 (EST)
I wouldn't say I know MediaWiki so well, but I know it well enough through having setup a few wikis before. :) As for HeroesWiki supporting itself, it's being supported through the web hosting company I own: Colynx, LLC. (Admin 13:01, 6 December 2006 (EST))
Ah, very cool. If I ever decide to switch from my host, I will come to you. I have to keep cite for now, the work around I've found is to make a template that calls up |. Then call that template inside the table. Ugly, but half way works. :o)Thanks again for all your help, and for making such a good wiki. Rovo 13:08, 6 December 2006 (EST)
I just set it up and got the ball rolling... it's everyone else here that's helped out that makes it such a good wiki. :) But I'm sure everyone appreciates the compliment. (Admin 13:11, 6 December 2006 (EST))

Community Building

Do you have any advice, for building and promoting a wiki? Rovo 14:16, 6 December 2006 (EST)

  • I have a few pieces of personal advice:
    1. Use MediaWiki. :) As far as I know, it's the most flexible. As a wiki grows so will the demand for more complex features. Changing software in the middle will be difficult and disruptive. Based on your questions before, this doesn't sound like it's going to be an issue. :)
    2. Respect the freedom wiki allows. Remember that the community is what makes a wiki what it is. Respect the wishes of the community even if you don't happen to agree. Try to persuade versus dictate.
    3. Be original. If there are a lot of other wikis also pertaining to your topic then it'll be difficult. When I started Heroes Wiki it was basically the only Heroes wiki around (not including the content on Wikipedia). Wikipedia's an encyclopedia, however, and as a result has more stringent rules on what may and may not be included. The advantage of a fan site wiki is that you don't have to stick to the rules of an encyclopedia and can instead focus on what fans are interested in.
    4. This one can be a bit tricky: Have the best content. People will come to your wiki if you have the most to offer them. The tricky part is that you may need to attract a lot of people in order to have the best content, but you need the content to attract the people. Chicken and the egg here. The plus side to it is that once you're attracting a lot of people it becomes more self-sustaining. You want to wow visitors which will encourage them to help spread the word about the site. The community here has done an amazing job creating some incredible pages. Isaac's paintings and Prophecy are two examples of great pages that many people like coming here for.
    • Thanks for your comments, Admin - I think your ideas on building a strong community are especially useful and meaningful to those of us that contribute. I think you have some terrific guiding principles, and you seem to abide by them always. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2006 (EST)
  • 5. Get Hardvice to be editing your wiki constantly like he does here. Oh wait, you can't have him :-) --Fcphantom 21:42, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Contributor Category

I went ahead and did that when I saw it on your user page. It's been bugging me for days but I was trying to prove I'm not completely anal retentive. Oh well.--Hardvice (talk) 23:36, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Haha... thanks, Hardvice, I appreciate it. The HeroesWiki/Heroes Wiki thing has bugged me for a while, too. I think we'll all be getting a bit restless with the hiatus and be looking for things to do. (Admin 23:39, 6 December 2006 (EST))
Hardvice, anal retention is what makes this site so great. I personally think we should add it to the powers page... :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:12, 7 December 2006 (EST)
Well, it is his power. Check his page. :) (Admin 00:20, 7 December 2006 (EST))

Template Form

There is a wiki site with a form structure for creating new pages. This seems like something that would be very handy in helping people new to wiki's get started on making a page. If you'd like to take a look at it, here's the link: wikicompany. If you guys figure out how to make it, please let us know. I would think maybe with the inputbox extension, but not sure. Rovo 09:33, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Hebrew HeroesWiki

Hello, I'm Dan. Viewers from Israel and other Hebrew-speakers viewers around the world watch Heroes along the US airing dates. I had the idea to create a Hebrew HeroesWiki (as well as in other languages, like Lostpedia did), so people who are not fluent in English could understand the TV series better.

Do you have any idea how can I start this project (I already have a group of people that would be glad to help me).

Thanks, Dan.

If you are interested in translating Heroes Wiki, I would be happy to set up a Hebrew localized version for you here like we've done for French and German. (Admin 22:29, 7 December 2006 (EST))
That would be great. I just posted a message in the Israeli forum, so I assume the real work will begin during the weekend. Thank you very much for your quick answer and for your help, Obi-Dan Kenobi 22:52, 7 December 2006 (EST)
Ok, try out It's blank right now. I usually try to prime the wiki with at least the front page so people can start by translating it, but the whole right-to-left typing thing's got me a bit confused. :) (Admin 23:07, 7 December 2006 (EST))
Thanks again! Just one question - should there be an admin for this Heroeswiki? Obi-Dan Kenobi 23:15, 7 December 2006 (EST)
For now it'll just be me. There's not a whole lot of administrative stuff that needs to be done early on... mostly just deleting pages from time to time. But if it starts growing then, assuming you're still there, you'll become an admin for it since it was your initiative. As any of the language wikis take off I'll be making someone there an admin since they need an admin that can understand the language! :) (Admin 23:19, 7 December 2006 (EST))

Re:Interwiki links

I think I know.. But just in case, I'd like you to explain. Obi-Dan Kenobi 23:57, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Ok, just like I thought. Thanks anyway :) And thanks again for creating the Hebrew HeroesWiki so quickly. I'll continue working on it tomorrow (it's 23:25 in Canada). Obi-Dan Kenobi 00:26, 8 December 2006 (EST)
No problem. I'm always thrilled when someone wants to translate the wiki. It's a ton of work, so good luck to you and your group! (Admin 00:28, 8 December 2006 (EST))

Seven Minutes to Midnight ATOW stuff

I took out that stuff because I would imagine that article wouldn't be article of the week ever again. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 01:34, 9 December 2006 (EST)

Peter's sketch

Admin, thanks for the clarification on Peter sketching himself flying. Was this mimicking Isaac's precognition, though? It may have come true, but I'm not sure it should be included under the heading of power mimicry. What do you think? :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:59, 10 December 2006 (EST)

The fact that he sketched it was supposed to be a clue to his powers. He met Isaac then was able to make a crude drawing of what was going to happen. If I recall right after the scene where Peter is actually flying they end up showing his drawing again as well. Peter refers to that drawing subsequently as proof that he's able to take on the powers of others he's near. I'd definitely include it. (Admin 01:04, 10 December 2006 (EST))
Okey doke, I'll buy it! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:10, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Hits per Page

Admin, you've mentioned a few times that certain pages (namelyIsaac's paintings and prophecy) are getting a lot of hits. Just out of curiosity, how many? I'm interested in the amount of hits certain pages get. Thanks! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:56, 11 December 2006 (EST)

  • You can check Special:Popularpages and see for yourself.  :) --Hardvice (talk) 15:02, 11 December 2006 (EST)
  • Plus at the bottom of each article it shows about how many times the page has been accessed, that's another good way to keep track. Watching the referral logs for the server I tend to see a lot of people coming from message boards where they link to Isaac's paintings frequently. We're getting a decent number of hits from this posting about his paintings right now, in fact. (Admin 15:05, 11 December 2006 (EST))

10th Wonder salute!

Hello HeroesWiki! This is Graham from the 10th Wonder Podcast. I just wanted to say that we here at the 10th Wonder really appreciate all of your hard work for the HEROES community! We are going to mention HeroesWiki in our next podcast so be listening for that!

Thanks so much and keep up the amazing work everyone!

Graham Hancock; Host - The 10th Wonder Podcast. [1]

  • That's awesome, thanks for letting us know! And thanks for the praise, the people here work tirelessly to make it the best possible. I'll keep an eye out for your next podcast. (Admin 22:11, 11 December 2006 (EST))


True, however, now that I have your attention, will you for once protect the main page? --TScrooMcgEE 18:17, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Given that the majority of edits to the main page have been legitimate and useful, no. You comprise a very tiny minority of people who come here and vandalize the site. If in the future it becomes necessary, we will. But at present vandals are easily dealt with. (Admin 18:19, 14 December 2006 (EST))
You must be thinking that I am just another vandal. I am not—I am here to help. I saw the link on a Google ad, came over to the site, and decided to make a splash in the water (obviously not in the best way, but the most effective way.) Based on your username, I would have to guess that you are the founder of this wiki—the site will eventually need main page protection, especially if it grows. However, when (not if) this happens, there are ways to work around it.
  • Keep in mind that the main page should be an introduction to this site. If designed properly, there mustn't be a need for anyone (you, I, Dave) to edit it. Observe the architecture of Wikipedia's Main Page. You will find that the page utilizes templates, which allows for changes to be made without disrupting the layout, etc. The main page there has had relatively few edits in the last year, despite the fact that the visible content is changed everyday. The page is protected, and yet she still grows.
  • Have edit links at the bottom of template boxes, or active links in bold. The specific articles will be open for editing, however the main page will be locked. Furthermore, if you want to change messages, the specific template can be altered, while maintaining the integrity of the main page, which will be valuable in the long run.
  • Although I've never watched the show, think of me as a wiki architect (at least on the open-source side of things, not so much the MediaWiki php part) I can perhaps put something together for the main page. Thanks --Jay (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2006 (EST)
  • Our main page already is all templates (well, and one inclusion). We can lock it if we need to and still let people edit it, but for right now, there's no reason not to let well-intended people change the layout, formatting, etc. Almost all of our templates do have edit links. We're fine for now, thanks.--Hardvice (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2006 (EST)


  • Hey, Ryan. Are you interested in becoming an Administrator here? If so, we'd like to extend an invitation to you. (Admin 17:01, 18 December 2006 (EST))
    • Thanks, I really appreciate that! Yes, I'm interested. My concern is simply that I'm a little slow when it comes to some wiki-language. For instance, I can't make a template to save my life. I'm good at editing and have a pretty good sense of what belongs, etc., it's just I'm not as "tech-savvy", shall we say, as some others. But I'm interested. Let me know what it all entails. Thanks! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:33, 18 December 2006 (EST)
      • As time goes on you'll pick more and more up. :) We all had to start somewhere! Not everyone has to be good at everything. You've been a very consistent contributor and are around frequently so you're a good choice for an admin. When in doubt, feel free to ask me or Hardvice. For the most part be conservative when it comes to deleting things or banning people. Let articles nominated for deletion sit for a little bit to give people a chance to discuss it. If there's a troublemaker vandalizing only a couple pages, revert them and warn the user. If they keep it up, go ahead and ban them. That's pretty much the admin stuff here so far. :) I'll go ahead and add you now. (Admin 18:46, 18 December 2006 (EST))
        • Thanks so much - I appreciate the advice and tips. I'll do my best! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:05, 18 December 2006 (EST)

blurbs on graphic novels

Hey! I was hesitating doing blurbs on the graphic novels, simply because I didn't want the 2 blurbs to have the same color. I guess it looks okay to have 2 blurbs right next to each other like that? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:42, 19 December 2006 (EST)

I think it's ok for the moment, but if the color should be changed, I recommend creating copies of the {{blurb}}/{{blurbclose}} templates (like {{blurb2}}/{{blurbclose2}}) with the new color. Either way it should be a template rather than straight HTML in the articles. (Admin 02:45, 19 December 2006 (EST))
Good point. And as I'm looking at the summaries, they do look fine. Plus, what great little blurbs from NBC! (I especially like the blurbs for Isaac's First Time and Stolen Time...) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:51, 19 December 2006 (EST)
We can always add an (optional) color parameter to {{blurb}}. Of course, then we might end up with rainbow blurbs to go with our rainbow sidebars, but hey...--Hardvice (talk) 11:50, 19 December 2006 (EST)
I actually like that idea. I don't think it would be too abused - I think we're on top of the site enough and have a pretty consistent format that there wouldn't be too many Skittles-inspired blurbs. (By the way, I found this site that has a pretty good listing of hex color codes). - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Merry Christmas!

I'm such a dork - I'm so excited for the new GN! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:46, 26 December 2006 (EST)

You and me, both. :) (Admin 10:47, 26 December 2006 (EST))

YouTube Embedding

Hey there! I just put some links to some YouTube videos that I thought might serve as useful links. However, I was thinking how super-cool it would be if we could actually embed those videos into the pages themselves. LostPedia, for example, has the capability of embedding YouTube videos (they simply type <youtube>videoIDnumber</youtube> to embed the video). I was wondering if you know what it would entail to have that same capability? Thanks! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:44, 28 December 2006 (EST)

I saw that extension a while ago. Something about embedding video seemed tacky to me. My larger concern however is copyright. YouTube is on unstable ground with most copyright owners right now. I dont know if NBC has made any agreements with YouTube yet, so currently any YouTube videos of Heroes content are probably illegal. Any other opinions on this? (Admin 09:23, 28 December 2006 (EST))
Well, I would never want to be considered tacky! :) That's cool - a link to YouTube is fine. I think it'd be more accessible if the video were embedded, but you make a good point about possible copyright violations. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:16, 28 December 2006 (EST)
I agree 100% for copyright reasons. The closer you get to something that's a substitute for the actual thing, and the more of the work you use, the less likely your use is to be considered fair. Video embedding is dangerous ground. Considering how dependent we are on screencaps, the last thing we want to do is draw the wrath of NBC.--Hardvice (talk) 12:06, 28 December 2006 (EST)


Thanks so much for catching all those "charcter" misspellings I did - I'm usually pretty good, but I feel like such an idiot! Thanks! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2006 (EST)

There still a lot of misspellings left. :) I'm sure you're not the only one. I bought a piece of software that spiders the wiki and performs a spell check on all the pages. When I have some time I'll be going through and manually correcting the words that are actually misspelled. (Admin 00:36, 29 December 2006 (EST))