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Hello, Red

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Greetings!

  • Hey, Red. Welcome! I had to revert a bunch of your edits because they didn't follow the formatting guidelines. I'd definitely recommend checking out those Help links at the top of your talk page here, they'll help you get a feel for how things need to be formatted here. Oh, and by the way... it's "vs." not "v.s." ;) "vs." is short for "versus" so there's just one period. :) (Admin 18:05, 4 January 2007 (EST))

Dialect

The dialect on memorable quotes is non-standard compared to every other page. It's also wholly unnecessary.--Hardvice (talk) 16:40, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Signature

Hey Red!

I noticed you've been having to go back and edit your sig every time. Here's a way you can use the signature button, or ~~~~, and have it do what you want:

  1. Go to Special:Preferences
  2. In "Nickname", type "~ Red = "
  3. Tick "Raw signatures" and click "Save"

After that, if you type four tildes, it should enter your signature formatted the way you like it, with the timestamp. --Hardvice (talk) 21:48, 3 January 2007 (EST)

  • I wonder IF this work It's my 1st time Sending a Message I'm wondering IF this is the correct way.
  • Just want to say Thanks for The advise and Help on this N00b. How do I align my Sig to the Right?
~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 17:51, 4 January 2007 (EST)
  • If you want to have it automatically align it, just add the colons to the text you typed in Special:Preferences. But it would be better to put a <br> before them and put the tildes immediately after your comment, and not on the next line ... that way, you still get a line break but it doesn't break the formatting for other people's comments.

    In other words, to get the signature you're using now, change the nickname field to "<br>:::: ~ ~ ~ ~ [[User:Red|Red]] = ". Then, instead of putting it on a new line, put it right after your comment, like this: "comment~~~~" It will auto-insert the line break
  • The <br> Didn't work when I added it to my Nickname:

It only showed

Invalid raw signature; check HTML tags.

<br>~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 01:36, 5 January 2007 (EST)

    • Okay, it doesn't allow breaks in the nickname field. I made a sig page for you. Put this in nickname and it should work: "{{subst:User:Red/sig}}"--Hardvice (talk) 01:53, 5 January 2007 (EST)

History Tab

  • Help:Sources Doesn't Tell me How to use History tab only Talks about type of Sources.
    ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 23:09, 4 January 2007 (EST)
    • I was linking to Help:Sources to explain why some things like Niki's power, etc., don't get added to articles. As for the Diff/Hist rollback, it's an admin-only feature. You're better off just recreating the edit. You can click a version in History, click edit, and click save, but it will undo all subsequent changes. Again, it's better just to redo the edit manually.--Hardvice (talk) 23:48, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Standardization

Hi Red. I noticed you've wanted to call the episodes "chapters". Unfortunately, if we changed every reference to every episode, there would be hundreds and hundreds of changes to make. For instance, the word "Genesis" is found on at least 71 pages alone. I agree with you that it'd be cool to call the episodes "chapters", but it might not be worth the trouble. (See here for further discussion.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2007 (EST)

  • Couldn't there be a Global Search and Replace for the Text Episode: to Chapter: Sysop?
    ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 01:12, 5 January 2007 (EST)
    • Unfortunately, that would require a bot. Currently, all changes must be done manually. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:15, 5 January 2007 (EST)
      • Is there a way to add the word Chapters: to the Episode article then?
        ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 01:24, 5 January 2007 (EST)
      • I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Do you mean to the article title? That would require a move, and that would require adjusting all the links and redirects.--Hardvice (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2007 (EST)
        • The chapter titles are on the pictures of each episode title (see this picture, for example), which are on every episode page (see Fallout, for example]]. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2007 (EST)
          • That would work then? and would automatically change the Episode to Chapters then. <br>~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 01:39, 5 January 2007 (EST)
            • No. Nothing is going to change all of the "episodes" to "chapters" except manually changing all nine billion links. Also, the namespace ultimately doesn't matter much because every single link to the episodes strips it out, either by piping or linking to the redirect. In the end, it doesn't make much difference whether we call it Episode:Genesis or Chapter:Genesis because all the links display as Genesis anyway.--Hardvice (talk) 01:41, 5 January 2007 (EST)
              • what about having Redirects on the Chapter when I search for chapters; I get only 2 results.
                ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 23:31, 6 January 2007 (EST)
                • If you want to add redirects, go ahead. But again, all of the links refer to them just by title, so it'll only make a difference for searches.--Hardvice (talk) 23:39, 6 January 2007 (EST)
                  • I don't know how to make redirects. Is it {SED}?
                    ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 23:50, 6 January 2007 (EST)
                    • No. The code is #REDIRECT and then the link. I'll go ahead and take care of it for you now. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2007 (EST)
                    • Okay, now when you search for "Chapter One" it should take you directly to Genesis, etc. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2007 (EST)
                      • When you create a link, you must use correct capitalization. For instance, "chapter one" will create a red link, which means that it doesn't link to anything. However, "Chapter One", with the correct capitalization, makes a blue link, which will then take you to the correct page. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:37, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Citations on addresses

  • There's no need to cite an external source for information that appears in the episodes. The canon source is the episode, not the forum post which pointed out the information. They didn't make the apartment numbers. Anyone who watches the episode can discover that info for themself.--Hardvice (talk) 02:02, 5 January 2007 (EST)
    • Just to prove or Backup my claims that I'm NOT pulling numbers out of my head. And for People to know where to look to Check/See for themselves.
~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 02:21, 5 January 2007 (EST) Testing the NEW sig Thanks for Everything ^_^ No way to Align it to the Right field?
You can adjust it however you like. It's at this page, and you can edit it just like an article. As for the forum references, if you feel the need to add them, then they belong on the talk page, not the article. The article should cite canon sources whenever possible, and the canon source for the apartment numbers is the episode in which they appear.--Hardvice (talk) 02:27, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Article Moves

Hey Red,

I thought I'd take a moment to explain in better detail why I reverted the moves for AWI last night. I realize it may have seemed a bit harsh and I wanted to apologize for that.

First off, like I said, anybody can move articles, not just admins. However, it is important to consider the effects of the move first, and it's generally a good idea to talk it through with others in the community first to make sure the move is really needed. That's because moves have a way of breaking links, and it can be very difficult to track down all the broken links and redirects. Also, if moves are done (or undone) improperly, it's possible to lose the article's history, which is valuable if changes need to be made.

When an article is moved, it leaves a redirect from the old article name. This is great because it will handle a lot of the links; for example, links to "AWI" would properly locate the article at "OWI". However, redirects only work "one step". That means that anything that linked to "AWI" through a redirect (like "Bennet's organization" or something) would be broken. Because of this, it's always a good idea to check What Links Here before moving any articles. That way, you can change any links through redirects, and you'll have a list of all links to change if you need to.

In any case, I just wanted to let you know why the decision was made to undo the moves, and to give you a little more information about why moves need to be handled carefully.--Hardvice (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Patient Zero

Hi, Red. The info you deleted in Patient Zero is needed in the notes section. Though much of that info is referenced in the "About" section, the "Notes" section expounds and elaborates on the info in a way that a strict summary cannot. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2007 (EST)

  • The "Notes" Doesn't much expounds "About" and could easily be grasped by just reading "About" sufficient for someone who hasn't even seen the show, the Extra Notes just makes it wordy.
    • Actually, I think the Notes provide quite a bit of insight. For instance, the "About" section doesn't contain any information about Sanjog Iyer (nor should it). The "Notes" section is also the appropriate place to talk about inconsistencies, like why Mohinder said Chandra was "close" to identifying PZ. The note about the term's "greater significance" is also not implied in the "About" section, and it wouldn't be appropriate to add it there.

      Ultimately, the "Notes" section is a place for insight, inconsistencies, and expounding upon concepts. I know it's long, but there's a lot of info about PZ that can't be included in the "About" section, which is just for a contexted mention of the term's appearance in the show. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:56, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Tina Sanders?

  • What source claims Tina's last name is Sanders? She's only been credited as "Texas Tina" to my knowledge. (Admin 16:25, 13 January 2007 (EST))
    • Genesis : Niki said "Mom take care of Micah", and Niki said to Micah, "We will go to Grandma's house." and Texas Tina is some Fan made up name
      ~ ~ ~ ~ Red =
      • Hmm... I think I see what you're talking about, but it's strange she's only ever been credited as "Texas Tina", so I'm a bit skeptical. Would love to get more people to listen to it and see. To be safe, let's not include it for now until we can figure out for certain. (Admin 16:33, 13 January 2007 (EST))
        • I'm surprised that NO one figured that Tina Sanders is her name AFTER D.L. Hawkins name showed up. and It's obvious that If Tina is Niki's mom what else would be her Last name.
          ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 16:37, 13 January 2007 (EST)
          • Yeah. My suspicion is that Tina is in fact not her mom actually. While I admit the audio sounds like "Watch him, ma." it could just be her taking a breath at the end... or perhaps even a mistake in the episode. Transcripts have her just saying "Watch him" and all the other Heroes resources claim she's Niki's friend. Definitely something to look at, though. Personally I think Tina looks too young to be Niki's mother, but who knows. I think we need to go through the other scenes with Tina in other episodes and look for anything more conclusive one way or the other. (Admin 16:43, 13 January 2007 (EST))
          • Please hold off on adding any of this info to Tina or Niki's articles until after others have weighed in on this and offer their views on what she did in fact say. As I said, transcripts say she said "Watch him.", not "Watch him, ma." so we need more evidence since if it's true there are implications to it. (Admin 16:56, 13 January 2007 (EST))
            • I agree that it's not very clear what Niki says in that scene. The captions only have her saying "Watch him." The extra syllable could be interpreted as either a breath, a mistake, or just an affectation Ali Larter sometimes has when she says words that end with the letter "m". That, coupled with hundreds of press releases that call Tina "Niki's friend" (and the fact that Ali Larter is 30, and Deirdre Quinn graduate in 1993 and looks about the same age), I think we'd better wait until we have something more canonical to confirm the claim that they're mother/daughter. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:07, 13 January 2007 (EST)
              • I don't hear the "ma" at all. Also, Micah calls her "Tina", and Niki likes Tina, but he calls Paulette, whom Niki dislikes, "grandma".--Hardvice (talk) 03:51, 14 January 2007 (EST)
                • I guess I'm blocked huh? i was trying to make an Alter Ego page when I got blocked
                  ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 10:54, 16 January 2007 (EST)
                  • We've only ever blocked one user, and it isn't you. I'm guessing what you saw was the editing conflict screen. That's not a block; it's just alerting you that somebody else completed an edit to the article you're working on before you completed yours.--Hardvice (talk) 23:50, 18 January 2007 (EST)
                    • Nah, I couldn't Log in to Wiki Till i posted that comment from a different PC and then I'm able to view wiki after that Post.
                      ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 22:24, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Sources

Hi, Red. I noticed you made some nice additions to split personality. I cleaned them up a bit so they fit standards - just wanted to let you know. One note about adding sources - you don't need to add a link to a fan site (like www.heroes-forum.com) because the fan site is not the source of the information. The original episode is the source, so you don't need to put anything at all. Thanks for all your work! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:26, 16 January 2007 (EST)

  • I'm linking it there cause it points to what part of the scene for them to see the reference, like backing up my claims. BTW can you link split personality with Alter-Ego.
    ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 19:21, 16 January 2007 (EST)
    • A fan forum is not a canonical source, so in general there should be no links to it from any article. Also I'd recommend against linking alter-ego to split personality since it's likely that in a given article at this point the context would be "Niki's alter-ego" in which case we'd be doing a pipe link to Jessica. (Admin 19:54, 16 January 2007 (EST))
    • Actually, I just checked and in several places we do already pipe "alter-ego" to "Jessica", so as I suspected it makes sense to not redirect it to "split personality." In case it's brought up, it also wouldn't make sense to redirect it to "Jessica" either since "alter-ego" doesn't necessarily mean we have to be talking about Jessica, so I think in the end it's best not to redirect "alter-ego" at all. (Admin 20:02, 16 January 2007 (EST))
      • The canonical reference is to point out where the events took place exactly; and one can find it easily to which part and scene of the Chapter to verify the claims. It's not what is written, but to where it says is pointing at.
        ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 21:41, 16 January 2007 (EST)
        • Regardless, links to a fan forum to cite events that took place in Heroes episodes are inappropriate. Please do not add them. (Admin 22:05, 16 January 2007 (EST))

Isaac's apartment

archive

Hi. I noticed you moved an old discussion from my archive to my current talk page. You're not supposed to do that. And also, stop bothering me wiht the stupid image site linking! Heroe 11:09, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Gitelman/Gittelman

There's an argument to be made that "Gittelman" is correct; however, a caption on NBC.com is about the worst evidence you can provide. They screw up so frequently that the fact that they spell it with two T's makes me more convinced it's spelled with one. Among their errors to date, they've confused D.L. with the Haitian and spelled Niki with two K's. They're about as far from a reliable source as you can get, and definitely not a canon source.--Hardvice (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Also the way Hana pronounced her name is "Git-Tel-man" NOT "Gi-Tel-man". AND the double TT Is stated in the intro of Part Two wouldn't the narrator be more Accurate than the other characters pronouncing the other's name? [1]
    ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 21:50, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
    • No. Bottom line: there are conflicting spellings. None is more correct, no matter what crazy reason you attach to it. That said, "Gitelman" is the most common spelling, the current spelling, and the first spelling to appear, so that's what we'll use (since the article has to be called something), but the note no longer refers to "Gittelman" (or "Gittleman", which they've also used) as a misspelling. This issue is resolved until the spelling appears in an episode. Nothing else can change it at this point. See Help:Sources#Contradictions between sources (yet again).--Hardvice (talk) 22:01, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Burnt Toast Diner/Cafe

Hi. Regarding your edits to burnt Toast Diner, it has been called both. The logo shows "Cafe", but the onscreen text refers to as a "Diner". Just wanted to clear that up.-- Heroe!(talk) (contribs) Random Page! 13:53, 6 May 2007 (EDT)