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==Finally... a hint on his power== |
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* Bob says "With [[Claire]]'s blood, Claire might become a major player. The next Linderman. The next Arthur Petrelli." [[Image:Chrisyudbsname.JPG|80px]][[Image:Chrisyudbstalk.JPG|40px]] 03:41, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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** His power yes, as in power over the Company, not his special ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 03:56, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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*** That's what I was thinking, too.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 13:56, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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****Me too. Bob says: "...you could be taking orders from her in a few years".--[[User:Hgjgkjgk|Hgjgkjgk]] 16:15, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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** It's a little weird that the Company is so obsessed with Claire's blood. I mean, until the end of Season One, they had Adam in custody. You'd think they'd have all magic blood they wanted.--14:00, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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***I'm pretty sure that's why they kept him alive (even though there's no evidence of them using his blood). "With Claire's blood" could be taken both figuratively (evolved granddaughter of the last Arthur Petrelli, the 2 evolved parent thing) and literally (an untainted, non-maniacal evil person with healing blood, unlike the locked-up Adam). Bob expected that they would one day take in Claire for tests (as Thompson stated), eventually promote her to Agent status (like Elle was), and eventually make her way up past Claude and Haitian status to be a senior agent/leader (presumably replacing some of the old Company leaders).--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 18:30, 11 December 2007 (EST) |
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****Who needs Adam's blood when Linderman can heal anyone he wants? No extraction needed. --[[User:Aldrius|Aldrius]] 21:39, 4 January 2008 (EST) |
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*****Linderman can't heal the dead. If Adam's blood has limitations, they would need Claire. Also, its always good to have a spare. And, experiments are nothing with out a few test subjects. [[User:Nonredhead|Nonredhead]] 5 June 2008 (EST) |
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== Mrs. Petrelli? == |
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Who's that? {{User:Altes/Signature}} 08:26, 25 December 2009 (EST) |
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== NBC Promo == |
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*I think it was put because of the "It was your mothers recipe" bit in Villans. I don't think her surname was ever confirmed though. - {{User:Jenx222/sig4}} 08:30, 25 December 2009 (EST)</span> |
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**Should be her married name anyway. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:56, 26 December 2009 (EST) |
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== Template for Arthur? == |
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A promo that aired during Life this past Friday: |
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One man has pulled all the strings. He is the father of 3 heroes (showed pictures of Nathan, Sylar, & Peter in that order). The leader of the villians and Monday we finally meet him. That either conculusively proves Arthur is the father of all 3 or Angela had an affair or more than one affair. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 11:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* Yep, that'll be enough to say that all 3 boys are Arthur's...once the episode airs. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:06, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** This promo bothered me alot. They don't usually make promo's so spoilery.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 18:35, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** Seriously... really didn't leave much to the imagination... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:43, 11 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** Also, I like how they listed Sylar as a hero. :O Foreshadowing? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 16:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT) |
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***** I forgot about this promo. Technically, it's still a spoiler, and technically the world of ''Heroes'' has not yet revealed who Sylar's biological dad is...but I'm not going to argue this or make any changes one way or another. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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I'm just wondering, since Peter (and his future selves) and Sylar (future selves as well) have templates for the abilities that they have absorbed/replicated, should one be made for Arthur? I'd be willing to make it. --{{User:Leckie/Signature 10}} 07:05, 11 January 2010 (EST) |
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== Occupation == |
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== Powers? == |
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As far as we know, he's not the head of Pinehearst, is he? --[[User:Aburu|Aburu]] 21:25, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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Alot of powers he could have, are not listed? We should add them to the list. -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 13:38, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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*Nope. Not unless he manifests them, meaning not unless he actually used any of them. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 13:39, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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** True, though that could just be his fear of someone so powerful. I was just trying to figure out if there's enough evidence to label him as the leader on the Pinehearst page --[[User:Aburu|Aburu]] 21:47, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** We did it for Peter -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 13:42, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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*** We don't list many of Arthur's potential abilities because we don't know that Peter even had those abilities in the first place. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 14:01, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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**** Ah yes, but power isn't always limited to abilities. --[[User:Aburu|Aburu]] 22:21, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** Thats what I said, if we do it for peter why not Arthur. Some of Sylar's abilities arn't listed either -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 14:36, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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***** The only affiliation that we know Arthur has with Pinehearst is that he is using their machines to stay alive. We don't know anything of his leadership or even membership in the organization. Maury could just have respect for the guy (which why wouldn't he, they helped form the Company together 30 years ago) and it may have nothing at all to do with Pinehearst. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:27, 14 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** I'm inclined to believe that Arthur, even in his current state, can mess Maury up real good and is a force to be reckoned with. I mean, that "you wont be able to move" thing to Angela in her dream...something about that says Watch Out! --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 01:53, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*****We still don't know if that was Arthur's power and not Maury's. I'm inclined to believe Maury put her in that state.--[[User:Nonredhead|Nonredhead]] 11:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== His power == |
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Is permanent? This has been proven incorrect trough Matt jr? -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 17:52, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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*I can't find where it says this. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 17:55, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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** Never mind the page said 'Arthur claimed that the effects of his ability are permanent.', din't saw Arthur claimed this :p But should we put it, that in some cases people can get their abilities back? -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 17:57, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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***Not on his page, and it's already noted on the [[Power absorption]] page. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 18:00, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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***It's a sort of complicated issue, really. I believe what happened is that Arthur truly removed Hiro's power, not just deactivated it. When Hiro came in contact with Matt Jr., it "jump started" his ability from his core DNA. It didn't just make his power work again, he had to work very hard to make it do anything at all. Over the course of a year or so, he was finally able to use his full ability again. So I would say that the power does remove it permanently (because the alternative would be a temporary removal, or burying it, neither of which are true). --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 18:03, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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**** Yeah its a but complicated, to bad they don't gave full explanation of his ability :D -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 18:05, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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***** Maybe Arthur meant that there was no known way to restore abilities, or at least no natural ways to do so, without intervention. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:17, 2 February 2010 (EST) |
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== The way he takes powers == |
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I think maybe we should redirect "Arthur" to this page, since now that Arthur Petrelli is a major player, people will probably be looking for him most of the time.--[[User:Aburu|Aburu]] 14:56, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |
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I think their was mentioned somewhere after he took Peter's ability he could choose how to take powers? Isn't this Technecally incorrect? Since EM is passive and from the moment he has is, auto mimics others their ability? -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 14:09, 3 February 2010 (EST) |
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* Good ideer. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:03, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*I believe it was a BTE interview. Who knows? Maybe he was good enough with powers to the point he could turn EM on and off. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:33, 3 February 2010 (EST) |
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** Maybe :D, thanks for the input, thought I read it somewhere. -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 14:34, 3 February 2010 (EST) |
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== Empathic mimicry (2) == |
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Why is EM now on Arthur's pane? Wasn't the rule that he had to demonstrate the ability for it to be shown?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 17:53, 3 April 2010 (EDT) |
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I motion that Arthur's ability is actually the power to steal others' abilities. He stole Adam's regeneration, leading to him aging 400 years in seconds since he could no longer stay immortal. |
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*Because EM was Peter's power, which was (obviously) stolen. He didn't need to demonstrate it, simply because we knew he took it from Peter. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 20:29, 3 April 2010 (EDT) |
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** I think the only way to demonstrate empathic mimicry is to demonstrate other powers. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:38, 3 April 2010 (EDT) |
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This would also make Arthur the empath Claude knew before Peter. |
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*** True. But assuming EM was a "sponge", wouldn't Arthur's theft of Peter's [[electric manipulation]] imply he took the EM used to hold it? --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 20:41, 3 April 2010 (EDT) |
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**** Yes. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:49, 3 April 2010 (EDT) |
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Which episode did Claude say that in? Also if was an Empath Mimicker like Peter Petrelli why would he need to touch Adam Monroe's hand? If he was an Empath Mimicker he wouldn't have needed Adam to be there since Empath Mimickers absorb it the first time they are around the power and he would have been around Adam several times when The Company was first founded and for a time after it's founding. Another if he was an Empath Mimicker it wouldn't have killed Adam in the fashion of making him age 400 or so years in seconds. This episode also seems to imply that he has Telepathy like Matt and Maury, that or Adam just knew based on his past experience with Arthur and what he would do to others and how. Plus you need to sign your comments here. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 21:27, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** Well not completly -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 22:09, 3 April 2010 (EDT) |
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* Well, two things- why is this only being listed now, seeing as this incident happened ages ago? And what Ryan said above was right, without definitive knowledge that Arthur absorbed EM with all the other abilities attatched as Ricard suggested, as opposed to absorbing each ability Peter had as a seperate ability in one go, the only method of demonstrating EM would be for him to use an ability we know he hadn't gained through his natural power, and he never did that. So I advocate that that we either list all the powers we 'know' he stole from Peter, whether he used them or not, or only list the ones he used, which we're doing now. We never saw an example of EM.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 13:18, 4 April 2010 (EDT) |
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He needs to touch someone to steal their powers. It's like a more violent mix of Sylar and Peter. --[[User:Plot_Device|Plot_Device]] 21:45, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** An "absorbed but not used" version of Peter's "exposed" abilities? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT) |
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***Well we already have that right, but we list the one's he has used only on his info pane- I'm arguing that we've never seen him use EM, so it shouldn't be listed.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 13:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT) |
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Okay, now I think it's even more clear: I called it above in the unsigned post. --[[User:Plot_Device|Plot_Device]] 22:00, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** I agree. We haven't ever seen him use empathic mimicry. We've only seen him use the abilities that Peter mimicked. Did Arthur ever absorb empathic mimicry, or just Peter's mimicked abilities? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT) |
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***** If he had absorbed only Peter's abilities, he'd still be able to mimic them again, meaning it wouldn't have made a difference, since he'd just be exposed to them again by standing next to Arthur. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT) |
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Could this be an advanced form of [[Aura absorption]]? --[[User:Xepeyon|Xepeyon]] 22:11, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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****** I'm saying he absorbed EM as much as he absorbed all the other powers from Peter that he never was seen using, like Flight and Induced Radioactivity- but just as we don't list those on his info pane, as we never saw him use them, nor should we list EM, even with the implication Ricard mentioned.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 11:54, 5 April 2010 (EDT) |
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*******Ok, so the thing is, Arthur ''has'' shown use of empathic mimicry. Now, we know that EM is still only one ability, which allows the user's DNA to change to allow loads of different aspects. Arthur couldn't take "electric manipulation" because peter didn't have that, his EM only allowed him to mimic it. So any "ability" that Arthur has, isn't an ability, just an aspect of the EM he stole from Peter. This also means he displayed its use. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 21:10, 5 April 2010 (EDT) |
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* Maybe, but doesn't Aura absorption also mean that you take the life energy of the person you are using the power on? Peter didn't die when his power was taken, and it can be argued that Adam died because he couldn't regenerate any more. --[[User:OprahDust|OprahDust]] 22:13, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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******** Given the fact that Arthur has an ability that allows him to take the abilities of others, and the fact that demonstrating empathic mimicry is a pretty murky thing, just about any "evidence" for or against Arthur having demonstrated EM is really pretty theoretical. Since we really have no hard evidence one way or the other, we should probably leave EM off the list of abilities that we know he has. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:37, 5 April 2010 (EDT) |
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**For now, shouldn't it just be "Arthur's ability"?--[[User:Aburu|Aburu]] 22:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*********Actually, we do have one tangentially related piece of evidence that could help this along. When Sylar was cured of the Shanti virus, he regained his IA (and TK, but that's always been a special case). He does NOT regain the rest of his powers. Why? Because Sylar lost his "sponge", and his abilities "fell out". He got IA back, but it was an "empty" IA. If we use the same logic here, Arthur could not have stolen anything from Peter EXCEPT for his "full" EM (which includes all the powers Peter replicated). Which is why all of Peter's abilities are gone. We can say without any speculation that Arthur did absorb EM. Thoughts? --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 22:14, 5 April 2010 (EDT) |
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*** Correct, for now it has to be [[Arthur's ability]] until we either are given a name or there's consensus on what it is. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:22, 20 October 2008 (EDT)) |
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* If you're right mc then we would need to remove every 'ability' from Arthur's page that he gained through Peter alone, like say Telekinesis, and then remove Arthur's name from the TK page, as he never actually had that ability itself, as it was just an aspect of Peter's one power that he took when he did. That's a lot of changing, and it's based upon the nature of EM, but how do we know that nature? What if EM was simply used only in the initial mimic, and after that Peter used the abilities he gained in the same way the original holder did?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 08:41, 6 April 2010 (EDT) |
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**I'd say it's closer to Aura Absorption than Empathic Mimicry, since Arthur STEALS the abilities instead of copies them... [[User:JackOfBloodyHearts|JackOfBloodyHearts]] 22:20, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**EDIT: Linked to the [[Talk:Empathic mimicry#The nature of Empathic mimicry...|Talk:Empathic mimicry]] page. |
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*** I would say Ability Theft is the best term for the power since it doesn't limit the power to just empathy or auras.--[[User:Plot Device|Plot Device]] 22:57, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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***In response to Richard's post, I believe the "sponge" analogy was only meant for Peter's ability in how he aquires others' through his EM. Sylar is of course much different in how he gains new powers and in his case he actually changes his own DNA to obtain the ability while Peter just mimics, if I understand it correctly. Peter's EM should be listed for Arthur's stolen abilities because that is precisely what he took.--[[User:Inblackestnight|Inblackestnight]] 17:47, 18 June 2010 |
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****Inblackestnight, you must sign any comment you add to a talk page. This is the seventh time you've been asked. Any questions can be left on my talk page.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 17:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT) |
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Shouldn't it be added that he took [[Empathic mimicry]]? Peter couldn't copy powers his future self had, the only ability he was exposed to was his own, so to use lightning, wouldn't Arthur have absorbed empathic mimicry, with the abilities Peter had as a bonus? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 12:12, 21 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Peter's attempt to defend himself == |
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I just changed the power that Peter was intending to use from [[Telekinesis]] to [[Lightning]]. Since that was the only power ''either'' of the Petrellis used actively in that scene (excepting, of course, [[Arthur's ability]]), it would seem the logical choice. [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 22:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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Didn't Peter technically use Telekinesis to open the door while invisible? |
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--[[User:Plot Device|Plot Device]] 22:56, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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While invisible why would Peter need to use telekinesis to open the door? It's not like he is intangible, he could just open it with his hand like everyone else. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 23:23, 20 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* I don't think it matters honestly what power Peter attempted to use on Arthur. We can't be certain. All we know is Peter tried to use an ability against Arthur, and it failed, thus implying that Peter had lost his abilities.--[[User:IDannPK|IDannPK]] 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Telepathy? == |
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I don't think we can necessarily say that Arthur demonstrated telepathy (which is currently only listed in the right hand sidebar thing for "Known abilities"). All we saw was him and Maury mentally "talking" to each other. As we saw with Angela when she mentally "talked" to Matt, it minimally only takes one telepath for "communication". -- [[User:Prander|prander]] 00:32, 21 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* I was confused at first, too. The telepathy is referring to when he used it on [[Adam Monroe]]. If you check the scene again you can see/hear it. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 00:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)) |
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** Really? I must've missed that, and I didn't record it or anything... -- [[User:Prander|prander]] 01:52, 21 October 2008 (EDT) |
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***I was about to say the same thing about Telepathy. I had thought that Adam Monroe simply knew of Arthur, and knew what he planned by bringing Adam there. Adam didn't near to hear Arthur's thoughts to know that Arthur wanted to take his power. Besides. Arthur's really going to say "Hello Adam. I have brought you here to take your power. Sorry."? What a strange thing to say. I think Adam probably knew what Arthur was capable of, and what it meant for him, and was thus terrified. Although, technically now it seems Arthur "has all of Peter's abilities", so technically he should probably have telepathy. But I don't think it's "confirmed yet". "Speculative", if anything.--[[User:IDannPK|IDannPK]] 11:53, 21 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** Did you replay the scene? Check out the audio and camera shots they used. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:54, 21 October 2008 (EDT)) |
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**** In the commentary for Dying of the Light, Chuck Kim spoke of the event as a "telepathic conversation"--[[User:Aburu|Aburu]] 19:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* Also of interest, looks like for dramatic reasons and ease of storytelling, Maury answered Arthur's initial questions out loud while looking kind of nervous. --[[User:Torley|Torley]] 08:42, 23 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** It's been confirmed by the commentary the mind reading lens was used in the Arthur Adam scene in 3.6, and he was talking to Adam in his head. So, I think it's save to assume he put Angela in her coma. |
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* In the new episode {{Epp|307}} Arthur said that Maury helped him a lot. For me this is proof, that he got Telepathy from Maury Parkman. --<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;"> [[User:Futurepeter|Futurepeter]] ( [[User:Futurepeter|U]] - [[User_talk:Futurepeter|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Futurepeter|C]] ) 05:55, 28 October 2008 (EDT)</span> |
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** By help he could mean Daphne and the recruiting of other evolved humans, Maury he wouldn't let him hurt Matt, he wouldn't say that if he had no means to pose a threat to Arthur. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 11:10, 28 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** if Arthur had gotten Telepathy from Maury, Maury wouldn't have it no more.--[[User:Elchafa|Elchafa]] 17:15, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** I believe the assumption is that Arthur got telepathy from someone other than Maury. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:19, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** You seem to ignore the fact that Maury created the Linderman illusion for Daphne ''after'' we see Arthur use telepathy on Adam. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:17, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** And Maury had been using it with Nathan for some time. (I think it's correct to suppose Maury was using the Linderman trick on Nathan as well, right?)--[[User:Elchafa|Elchafa]] 17:30, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** So then that means Arthur would have to get the ability from someone else. Also i dont think Arthur as the ability to send illusions to people that far away from him i.e. Daphne in the airport. --[[User:Sylarversion2|Sylarversion2]] 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** Couldn't the conversation between Arthur and Adam have been facilitated through Maury? I'm not sure we can say for sure that it was Arthur alone using the ability, which is why I had removed it from the list. Was it conclusive that Maury wasn't there?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:57, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** I'm pretty sure Maury was at JFK during that time. Plus, there wouldn't really be any reason for Maury to not be shown if he was the one facilitating the telepathy. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 23:58, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** I'm not sure if he was or wasn't in the room at the time. Can someone check the video?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:26, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*****I just watched the scene where Adam is killed, and Maury is not visible in the room (only Knox and Arthur's doctor are). Maury's physical location is, imo, immaterial one way or the other, as not being in the room doesn't preclude him from being nearby and using his power (since he doesn't have to be in the room to use it). Conversely, Maury being in the room deosn't mean he was the one facilitating the conversation (as just being there doesn't mean he's using his power). Since they didn't specifically show Maury facilitating the conversation, it's speculation to say he did so, regardless of his location at the time. As to whether the scene indicates Arthur had telepathy on his own or not, while I agree with MaimiVolts that other possibiities exist, I think it is enough evidence to say he demonstrated the power. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 00:47, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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****** His not being in the room at the time leads me to believe the writers intended for Arthur to have gotten the power himself from someone other than Maury, so I'm fine now with telepathy remaining on Arthur's demonstrated abilities list. Thanks for checking, Stevehim.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:32, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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******* No problem. My leg is already predisposed toward being pulled to watch and rewatch Heroes. ;) --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 12:46, 1 November 2008 (EDT) |
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== How ironic.. == |
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...That [[Arthur|Arthur's]] ability involves stealing the powers of others, and his [[Sylar|two]] [[Peter|sons]], who where born with abilities naturally, both have powers that involve absorbing the powers of others. Where as [[Nathan]] who had his powers artiffically induced, does not. :S --[[User:(. .')|(. .')]] 12:11, 21 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* Deliciously ironic! I also wonder if Arthur deliberately chose to give Nathan flight, or if it was a random power they didn't have much control over. As in, "We can artificially give a human powers, but we don't know what it's going to be." (And if undesired, what's the means for trying again? To be revealed, I hope.) --[[User:Torley|Torley]] 08:48, 23 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Could Peter mimic Arthur? Hierarchy of powers? == |
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Things sure are getting interesting! In the earliest episodes of Heroes, every hero had a unique power, but with more of the comic books and continued development, we've seen that develop into several characters who can copy/absorb powers, as well as the whole scientific take of artificially adding powers to a human. We've also observed characters that have the same basic power but express it in different ways (Isaac's vs. Usutu's aesthetic style) or have different levels of adeptness (Matt vs. Maury Parkman). |
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So that leaves me wondering: since Peter has empathic mimicry, wouldn't standing near his Dad enable him get all his powers back? Of course, his Dad — with this meta-power — may have a way of blocking ''others'' from copying/taking his absorbed powers, not unlike how the Haitian negates powers, or how Maury can block lesser telepaths from getting into his mind. |
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I suspect things aren't going to get so complicated as to involve complex polygonal dice rolls, but the power structure is interesting to muse about nonetheless. Let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Torley|Torley]] 08:47, 23 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* Standing near Arthur would presumably allow Peter to mimic Arthur's ability, except that Empathic mimicry is almost certainly one of the abilities that Arthur took away from Peter (otherwise Peter would have immediately "re-mimicked" all of his other abilities from Arther, and his counter-attack would have worked). --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** Good thinking. Some of these arrangements really call for logic. I'm not calling for ''Heroes'' to turn into a ''Street Fighter''-like game, but it'd be pretty cool to see more intense fights with rapid "blocks", "parries", and "counter-attacks". But hm, if Arthur has empathic mimicry now, then he's likely got Knox's, Flint's, Daphne's, etc. (unless he hugged them earlier, too ;) ) --[[User:Torley|Torley]] 12:22, 23 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** Some interesting thoughts here, what about this, could Arthur actually absorb powers that Peter never used before like Peter absorbed his father's ability and he also aborbed Mental Manipulation from The Haitian, Alchmeny from Bob and so on... maybe he still has those powers. --<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;"> [[User:Futurepeter|Futurepeter]] ( [[User:Futurepeter|U]] - [[User_talk:Futurepeter|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Futurepeter|C]] ) 11:02, 24 October 2008 (EDT)</span> |
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Since sylars power took more than genes to unlock (some logic insight), could it be that Peter subconsciently "unlocked" other peoples powers through empathy. In that case Arthur might simply lack the mental part of unlocking Peters power, although he would have it "on the paper". |
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This theory is entirely based on the fact that arthur + empathic mimicry (or whatever you guys call it) would be too much to swallow. His power is mean as it is. Apart from that, the scene where Peter gains Sylars power supports my thoughts.--[[User:Lokomono|Lokomono]] ([[User talk:Lokomono|talk]]) 10:21, 28 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* Guess he couldn't do it after all...--[[User:Futurepeter|Futurepeter]] ([[User talk:Futurepeter|talk]]) 05:56, 28 October 2008 (EDT) |
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It doesnt make sense that peter should have lost all his abilities. Surely with his empathic mimicry seeing his dad and thinking about him should have triggered an immediate use of his dad's ability so when arthur touched peter there should have been some sort of counter movement-arthur takes peter's ability and peter takes all. But perhaps more than a touch is needed maybe you need to concentrate. Its quite confusing. |
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--[[User:Legendeer|Legendeer]] 8:40, 14 November 2008 (EDT) |
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*That's not always the case, Peter's mimicking power doesn't always trigger instantaneously. I think it makes sense the Arthur took his power. -[[User:Rainman|Rainman]] 12:53, 19 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Telekinesis == |
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How do we know he got telekinesis from Peter? He might have it before stealing powers from Peter. --[[User:Hellknight|Hellknight]] |
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First, SIGN your comments. Second, we know Peter had the ability, we know Arthur stole the ability from Peter, until proven otherwise to say Arthur got it from anyone but Peter would be speculation and speculation isn't allowed. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 12:45, 28 October 2008 (EDT) |
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* We don't have any clue about how he got that ability, if it is before or after stealing Peter's abilities. So i think it is more appropriate to say "Telekinesis from an unknown source". --[[User:Hellknight|Hellknight]] 12:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** The first time Arthur demonstrated the use of Telekinesis was after stealing all of Peter's abilities. To say it is from an unknown source would be speculation when the evidence as it is now says he got it from Peter first, later if they prove it was from some other Evolved Human then we can change it. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 09:41, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** So by your logic, we can't say Arthur stole lightning from Peter. It's irrational to be completely objective about circumstances like this. It's perfectly safe to assume that Arthur got telekinesis from Peter. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:45, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** Yes, it is only logical to assume that every power that Arthur uses now which Peter once had (and wasn't previously demonstrated by Arthur before stealing Peter's powers) was stolen from Peter. Yes, it is an assumption like all other assumptions we make when we '''''INFER''''' understanding from the show, because there is a ''chance'' that he may have had some of the powers before. However, to presume otherwise (that he had some of Peter's powers [before he demonstrated that he could use them] before he took them from Peter) would be ''less logical'' than to assume he got them from Peter, because we at least have ''some'' evidence that he got them from Peter whereas we have ''zero'' evidence that he got them from anywhere else. --[http://heroeswiki.com/User:Logic Logic][] 12:43, 1 November 2008 (EDT) |
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== The Hunger == |
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* I don't really agree with the decision they made on Arthur stealing Peter's ability. Think of this: Peter's ability is Empathic Mimicry, and ONLY that. the other powers (Sylar's power, invisibility, flight, etc.) he doesn't TECHNICALLY have them, so I think Arthur should not have been able to steal them. Now, since he actually CAN and DID steal those powers, why isn't Sylar's HUNGER manifesting on Arthur...?--[[User:Elchafa|Elchafa]] 17:28, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** Every power has a physical component in the blood's chemistry. Peter's power is that his DNA is able to mimic the DNA of other evolved humans thus generating the same chemical component. His blood remembers how just like white blood cells remember viruses they encountered. This chemical component is what Arthur can remove. Therefore he can steal all mimiced powers as well. --[[User:Tordmor|Tordmor]] 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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** I guess for the same reason he was immediately able to control Maya's power after he took it. By pure force of will or because of his advanced age and experience with other people's powers. --[[User:Tordmor|Tordmor]] 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** that just doesn't seem right for me. i don't know...--[[User:Elchafa|Elchafa]] 17:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** I agree as well. Arthur seems to be more adept at using abilities in general than even those who naturally possess them. Perhaps he's absorbed an ability that allows him to do this... perhaps he's just smart. But whatever the case may be, there's no arguing that he has control over things. And stuff. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:21, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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[http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18602 Behind The Eclipse 5] states without a shadow of doubt that Arthur does not have the hunger, which either means the hunger is not jointed at the metaphorical hip with IA or Arthur doesn't have IA. If Arthur doesn't have IA that would mean Peter still does. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:55, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*I'm not sure how much I trust their answer due to it's brevity, the fact that BTE is not canon, and since it is, technically, contradicted by canon ('''thus far'''). He absorbed all of Peter's abilities, Peter had IA, IA comes with the Hunger...thus Arthur should have the Hunger. IA would also account for Arthur's high level of control over his newly absorbed powers (especially since he got a whole boatload at once). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 14:39, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**But IA/the hunger has to be activated. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 15:28, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** True. They could've meant he doesn't have it yet, and won't have it as long as he doesn't use IA. That still leaves the question of how he is able to control these abilities so well, though. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 15:50, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** Yeah, I agree with Josh. I've kind of always seen "the hunger" as an aspect of Sylar's ability (and Peter's absorbed ability) that has to be ''activated''. In my view (which, don't get me wrong, is supported by evidence, but is still theoretical), Peter had already absorbed the ability in ''[[Homecoming]]'', but he didn't activate it until ''[[I Am Become Death]]''. Likewise, Sylar always had the ability (that's what made him such a great watch repairman), but it wasn't until somewhere around the time he met [[Brian Davis|another evolved human]] that the hunger aspect was somehow activated. I also believe (again, supported by evidence and statements from writers, but still theoretical) that Arthur has the ''ability'', but "the hunger" part of the ability has not been activated. Hopefully it won't be activated--that would be really dangerous. Lots of blood, lots of gore, lots of raw chaos....On second thought, hopefully it ''will'' be activated soon! :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:08, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Absorbed power that's not listed == |
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*I believe Arthur has some sort of psychic strength, or does he break Maury's neck with maybe, Telekinesis?--[[User:Elchafa|Elchafa]] 17:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**I thought it was obvious that was telekinesis. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:37, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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***it wasn't for me. sorry if this was a stupid question to ask jaja--[[User:Elchafa|Elchafa]] 17:43, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** That's alright. :) <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:46, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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At first I thought is was the manifestation of Niki's power that he got from Peter, but upon rewatching several times it is definately TK. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:56, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Possible template == |
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Since Arthur stole Peter's ability, that would include his main power, emphatic mimicry. While he was shown to absorb, or at least give preference to his own ability when it comes to getting a new one, if he does have Peter's core ability, we might need arthurmimicked and arthurexposed templates, in case he does end up using that ability, consciously or not. Does this make any sense? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 17:56, 28 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*Instead of having an ArthurMimicked & ArthurStolen templates why not rework the ArthurStolen template to be one template for all powers Arthur has demonstrated the use of, what that would be called I don't know. A template for him being exposed to is not a bad idea. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 09:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**While I agree a template for ArthurExposed is a good idea, at the moment there is nothing to add to it since gaining the ability of Empathic Mimicry every person Arthur has been near so far so has Peter, thus all their powers Peter would have had when he had all his stolen. Until he is near someone that Peter has never been near before or Sylar takes on a new ability that Peter hasn't mimicked or been exposed to there is nothing we could add that Arthur himself hasn't been exposed to, unless you want to add the powers that Peter were exposed to to that list. I hope that made sense. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 12:39, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*** Related to this, the most recent Behind the Eclipse interview pretty much confirmed Arthur has empathic mimicry, they said he can choose with which power he can take on a new ability. I think that should be added. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 19:22, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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**** That I agree with to a degree, but I think we should leave any powers that Arthur has stolen but not demonstrated off the list until he does so, because as it is on the show by two characters they have stated explicitly that Peter has absolutely no powers at all and Arthur has all the powers Peter used to have, which would mean every power Peter ever demonstrated could be added. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:59, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Arthurs ability is related to Sylars and Peters == |
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Sylar understands things through logic allowing him to take abilities. Peter understands through Emotion allowing him to copy abilities and Arthur is able to take abilities probably through observation i.e he said he takes everything which probs means he enters a state where he can observe a persons abilities and make an empathic link which allows him to take them. so he basicly takes powers through both logic and empathy.--[[User:Jacobm7|Jacobm7]] ([[User talk:Jacobm7|talk]]) 21:28, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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:I don't think Arthur's ability has anything to do with logic or empathy. He just touches the person and poof - their abilities are gone. Also, please sign your posts from now on by typing "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>" <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:32, 29 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Power Control. == |
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Arthur seems to have perfect control of any ability he absorbs instantly. I wonder if this is another aspect of his own power or just due to experience over his life? {{User:Seclusion/sig}} 01:56, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Infobox == |
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I changed the heading of the abilites we're listing to be more accurate. It's not speculation to say he has all of Peter's powers (it's been confirmed by canon several times by at least two different characters), so that list is actually what he's demonstrated. I also disagree with Poison Emission being listed, as he hasn't demonstrated the ability itself; his eyes turning black isn't actually the ability (eg - we don't assume that Hiro and Matt's eyes turning white means they ''have'' Precognition, though I admit there is a difference since it was induced by the dung/root paste). It could simply be a sign that Arthur has absorbed the power...the actual power is to ''emit'' poison, which he has yet to demonstrate. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 04:02, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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:We'll never know for sure that he actually absorbed all of those abilities until he actually demonstrates them. I think the old heading was fine, and changing it to the current one raised the issue of the demonstration of poison emission. Imho, I think it's better to not include several unconfirmed abilities rather than omit one that we know him to have. If you don't mind, I'm changing the heading back to the original one. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:20, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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::I'm not going to revert it, but I'm not sure why we have to see him demonstrate an ability to know he's absorbed it when it's been stated that he has by both him and Peter. This is a bit of a different situation than Peter unknowingly absorbing abilities, which is where the absorved/demonstrated discrepancy arose. Arthur seems to know about the abilities he's absorbed (he uses TK without seeing Peter do so). He also states "You don't have your power'''s''' anymore, Peter...I have them. This should be sufficient canonical evidence to say that he's absorbed all of the powers Peter had. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 00:01, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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:::I agree with you there for the most part. It's just that we just ''can't'' be absolutely certain until Arthur's actually demonstrated the abilities. And my point still stands about having several unconfirmed abilities omitted rather than having one confirmed ability omitted. Besides, the header right now seems to satisfy both sides... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 00:08, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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== Poison emission == |
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When did Arthur demonstrate Poison emission? The only instance I can recall offhand of him showing he had the ability was his eyes turning black, but that doesn't qualify as demonstrating the ability, imo, as the poison was not ''emitted'', and nobody was affected by it. I took it more as showing that he had acquired the ability , rather than having used it. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 13:52, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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:Keep in mind that it used to be "Known powers absorbed." You changed it to "abilities demonstrated," which is probably the source of your confusion. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:17, 30 October 2008 (EDT) |
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:: I agree that the heading you changed it to is the best one to use, but it still brings into question whether poison emission was demonstrated or not. I don't believe it was, and so shouldn't be on the list. It's a relatively minor issue, but, imo, it's currently an inaccuracy. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 00:13, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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::: The darkened eyes after the absorption were just to show Mohinder that he absorbed it. Would he have demonstrated the ability then Maya would suffer from it, so no he didn't demonstrate the ability yet. --<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;"> [[User:Futurepeter|Futurepeter]] ( [[User:Futurepeter|U]] - [[User_talk:Futurepeter|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Futurepeter|C]] ) 07:34, 31 October 2008 (EDT)</span> |
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::: I actually didn't change it to that heading. :P I believe MiamiVolts did. But poison emission still falls under the category of "absorbed," does it not? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:16, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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::::Posion emission was certainly absorbed, but if we're saying that the heading means only one of the criteria is needed to qualify, ''and'' should be changed to ''or.'' And then I'd still have a problem with the idea that the absorption of Peter's powers is unconfirmed until demonstrated, as it was specifically stated. We take characters' words for other things without having to see a demonstration that they're telling the truth...why would that not apply here? --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 12:27, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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::::: This is not about a heading or a syntactical use of language. Arthur clearly demonstrated the ability. (See [[:Image:This child is clean.jpg]].) There's nothing in the definition of [[poison emission]] that says the user has to affect others in order to demonstrate the ability (or if there is, it should be changed). Maya has not killed everybody in her vicinity every time she has used the ability. The eyes of the ability's owner turning black is clearly demonstrating the ability, even if it's only for a moment. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:41, 8 November 2008 (EST) |
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:::::: That's actually incorrect. "Poison emission is the ability to '''emit''' a deadly poison, which can kill people in one's vicinity." |
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::::::::# to give utterance or voice to <emitted a groan> |
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::::::'''There is no definition of 'emit' that doesn't include some external function.''' As for Maya not killing everyone every time the power was used, that's not really the issue, as poison doesn't have to necessarily kill. The question is whether we've ever seen her use it and the people around her not be affected at all. Like I siad earlier, the ''user's'' eyes turning black is not the power...it's a side effect of it, similar to how precogs eyes turn white. If you consider that a demonstration of the power, then we should list Hiro as having demonstrated precognition simply because his eyes changed. I won't revert it for now, but I would like to discuss it further, as I don't see it as having been demonstrated at all. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 22:13, 8 November 2008 (EST) |
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* I think we need to assume the poison was emitted but not long enough to cause anyone else harm. If I recall correctly, we also counted [[nerve gas emission]] as a demonstrated ability even though we couldn't be sure the nerve gas was actually in the guy's sweat in the novel and no one ended up getting killed from it. This is a similar situation, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:25, 8 November 2008 (EST) |
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**I certainly don't want to be using the dictionary to define whether or not Arthur demonstrated the ability. And if the word "emit" is the issue, well then we need a new name for the ability--the name of the ability (which is derived from a word Tim Kring used in a commentary) should also not dictate whether or not Arthur used the ability. Black eyes is undeniably linked to demonstrations of the power, even if only for a moment. I think it's fine to say that he's demonstrated it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:18, 8 November 2008 (EST) |
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***I don't think it really needs to be changed (and thus withdraw my objection to it being listed as demonstrated), as I can accept the idea that it was used for a split second and turned off (though I still don't think that's what happened). However, if that's the case, then shouldn't white eyes indicate precognition (except when it indicates death) being used, even if no vision fo the future is seen, painted, etc, based on the same reasoning? --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 18:20, 9 November 2008 (EST) |
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**** The precognition discussion really doesn't belong on this page, but I think you are correct for the most part, as white eyes are normally meant to signify precognition. However, I'm not ready to say it is definitive proof that Hiro is experiencing precognition until we have more info on what is happening to him, as the white eyes may or may not be related to the paste/drugs he was given.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:07, 9 November 2008 (EST) |
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**** Pretty much, Stevehim. That's why Matt and Hiro's pictures are on the [[precognition]] page. It doesn't mean they ''have'' that ability (just as Ando has teleported numerous times, but he doesn't have the ability), just that they have displayed the ability. Think of it as [[ability extension]]. [[Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine]] talks a bit about this in [[Interview:Ntare Guma Mbaho Mwine|a recent interview]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:10, 9 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Latent Abilities == |
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Since Arthur absorbed and used Lightning from Peter, who himself mimicked it, it goes to follow that Arthur has all of Peter's mimicked powers and all of Peter's exposed abilities latent. He also has Peters mimicry latent, which puts a few under Arthur's own exposed category. Currently, all of this info is buried in the notes section. Shouldn't this be put on a more visible location, like the Abilities section? --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:07, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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:Agreed. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 00:14, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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::Is Chuck's confirmation that Arthur absorbed empathic mimicry enough for the power to be at the known abilities absorbed section at the infobox or is that area exclusive to info we get from the show? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 14:11, 31 October 2008 (EDT) |
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*Shouldn't the new abilities Arthur demonstrated in Villians be listed on the main page, such as persuasion because of what was said to Angela Petrelli to make her agree to Nathan's murder. Linderman also mentioned that he could heal the damage that Arthur did when forcing thoughts into Angelas head and when he erased her memories. Could Arthur have the same ability as the Haitian?--[[User:Giveitdeath|Giveitdeath]] 17:22, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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**Arthur appears to be using [[Telepathy]] for this in much the same way that [[Maury Parkman]] and [[Matt Parkman]] can alter the thoughts of other people. Telepathy is already a listed ability for Arthur. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:26, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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*Im sorry but i don't agree, if it was just telepathy then there would be no need for the Haitians memory removal ability to be in the series, someone with telepathy could just be used instead.--[[User:Giveitdeath|Giveitdeath]] 17:33, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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** I can only call it as I see it. There is no real evidence that Arthur's ability to control Angela's thoughts was anything but advanced [[telepathy]]. If I recall right, he didn't even erase her memory, he just made her believe that what he had done was necessary and appropriate, and that change to her personality was what Linderman healed. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:41, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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*Linderman said that Arthur erased Angelas memories.--[[User:Giveitdeath|Giveitdeath]] 17:44, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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**Even so, I don't see that as necessarily outside the scope of telepathy. Technically, Hiro could duplicate Daphne's super-speed at will with his ability to manipulate time, but we don't dispute that because he's duplicating an ability with more limited scope. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:46, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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*Arthur commanded her to forget the same way Eden commanded her stepmother to die, it's like a loop hole, if you can't actively erase the memory, but you can order the brain to do something, you can order it to forget. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 17:48, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Powers list on main page == |
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It should not just list all the abilities he's "demonstrated", but everyone that he ''has''. It is obvious that he has ALL of Peter's powers and that he has Maya's power, even if he hasn't actually ''demonstrated'' their use. It is entirely unreasonable to assume otherwise, and concordantly, inaccurate to list only the ones he's used. If, for some reason, you feel you MUST also list the ones he's demonstrated, you could list them all and note which ones he's demonstrated with a little star (*) or (d) or whatever next to them. I'm pretty sure the black eyes is enough for me to show that Arthur has Maya's ability, but even that's not listed there. There is no reason to be so conservative with listing his abilities. --[http://heroeswiki.com/User:Logic Logic][] 12:56, 1 November 2008 (EDT) |
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* What about the abilities Peter was exposed to, but never demonstrated? They should probably also be listed there, but I'm not sure of the best way to phrase to accompanying sentence. Technically, they should all fall under the current list of abilities Arthur has acquired but has yet to demonstrate, but they should also be separated from the ones Peter had demonstrated before being stolen. Right now, it's in the notes section, but it should probably be moved to the abilities section. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 20:15, 3 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Dr. Evil? == |
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Does anyone else think that Arthur talks kinda like Dr. Evil from Austin Powers. Especially when he says "Come give your father a hug," in Dying of the Light. Compare that to Dr. Evil's last line in [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON1b6zY_vOg this video].--[[User:PrometheusMMIV|PrometheusMMIV]] 16:16, 10 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Artificial Ability == |
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My theory is that Arthur's power stealing ability is artificial, and that the ring that he wears gives him the ability. In last night's episode, he didn't seem to have any power besides the telepathy based ones. I also think that he commissioned the mission to video Sylar using his ability: HRG pointedly refers to Sylar's ability as the ability to move powers from one vessel to another, and then later mentions that the video tape would be studied extensively. So I think that Arthur used what he learned from that video to build a power stealing ring. This would explain why getting footage of Sylar was worth letting him kill again to the company. Thoughts? --[[User:Hollie Maea|Hollie Maea]] 14:02, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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:Definitely... not. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 14:17, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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::OK...thanks for all the detailed reasons you gave :\ --[[User:Hollie Maea|Hollie Maea]] 14:28, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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:::Your theory stops working the moments you suggested the ring gives him his ability, there's nothing in the show which even remotely suggests something like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 16:18, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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::::What is the significance of the ring then? They wouldn't have made a big deal out of showing it if it weren't significant. |
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:::::It's essentially his symbol, much like the glasses to HRG.[[User:Exproject|Exproject]] 00:52, 12 November 2008 (EST) |
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::::::I've had the same theory except the ring part. All of the last episode he demonstrated no powers in the past except telepathy. (unless its been demonstrated in some webisode/graphic novel) I was thinking more along the lines that he had his additional powerstealing ability created for him after he was poisoned using pinehearst with specific intent to use adam to heal himself. [[User:RyanB|RyanB]] 07:36, 15 November 2008 (EST) |
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:::::::I don't think think that's the case, so far all artificial powers demonstrated weren't as advanced as Arthur's ability. Also, if he had his power stealing created after the poisoning then Peter and Sylar wouldn't have inherited a similar ability to his. -[[User:Rainman|Rainman]] 12:38, 19 November 2008 (EST) |
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::::::::If the power one gets artificially is based on genetics then it is possible he got a power near identical to his two power hungry children if it was artificially induced. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:02, 19 November 2008 (EST) |
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:::::::::If that was the case then Nathan would have gotten a much better power than Flight. -[[User:Rainman|Rainman]] 13:23, 19 November 2008 (EST) |
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::::::::::Not necessarily, his genetics might not be predisposed to being power hungry, there are thousands of different possible genetic combinations between Arthur & Angela, any one of them could have eliminated the predisposition to be a power hungry synthetically evolved human. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:39, 19 November 2008 (EST) |
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:::::::::::I wouldn't categorize Peter as power hungry, though I do agree on the part where you said there could be many different genetic combinations between Arthur and Angela. Still, Nathan got the short end of the stick when it comes to the family gene pool.-[[User:Rainman|Rainman]] 14:19, 20 November 2008 (EST) |
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* My theory is that Arthur's ability is synthetic, for a different reason. The formula, designed by Victoria, was shown to Arthur via Linderman, and, being jealous of people with powers, injected himself and got the perfect power to support his jealousy - the ability to render others' powerless while making himself greater. Kaito, knowing Arthur's true motives, then injected the last part of the formula into an unsuspecting person, and that is what led to Kaito leaving the Company. --[[User:DocM|DocM]] 15:46, 20 November 2008 (EST) |
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== All of Peter's Abilities? == |
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Of all other the powers Peter had at the time of his depowering, Arthur has only demonstrated Lightning and Telekinesis. My theory is that perhaps he does -not- have access to the other powers that Peter had, because he did not witness him demonstrate them. Is it possible that power absorption only works on those abilities that Arthur consciously tries to absorb. Why then, does Peter not have any of his other abilities? Because he only had access to them through Empathic Mimicry, (which it is implied in Arthur and Angela's conversation in "Villians" Arthur also had knowledge of) he can no longer access. What do you think? [[User:Dumpster juice|Dumpster juice]] 18:07, 11 November 2008 (EST) |
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It could be similar to the situation when Peter had all Sylar's powers but only used telekinesis. Arthur has all Peter's powers but doesn't know what powers he now has, and therefore cannot use any of those which he hasn't seen Peter use. --[[User:Gianni23|Gianni23]] 10:22, 13 November 2008 (EST)Gianni23 |
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== A little hard to believe == |
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Suspension of disbelief is necessary at times, but I wonder why Angela wasn't more thorough about making sure Arthur was dead before having him cremated. It's unclear whether she knew who Dr. Livitz was, but with both Angela and Arthur being masters of deception, the old rule holds true: "I won't believe he's dead unless I see a body!" |
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A possible explanation is she didn't want police (or anyone else) to find out Arthur was poisoned, casting suspicion on her. Or leave enough time for a Coroner's Inquest. So aside from the possibility of a benevolent doctor finding out what really happened — which didn't, because it was Dr. Livitz — I'm glad this was fairly well thought through. --[[User:Torley|Torley]] 00:50, 12 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Spacetime manipulation == |
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He probably used it to get to Africa, but until it's confirmed he did, shouldn't it be kept off "demonstrated"? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 14:45, 12 November 2008 (EST) |
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Yes, i think it should. [[user:meteoritu|meteoritu]] 17:43, 21 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Empathic mimicry == |
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Isn't Arthur accessing Peter's abilities through empathic mimicry? Peter didn't absorbed abilities like Sylar or Arthur, he needed his empathy to used them, like regeneration he had to access it rather than just heal like Claire. every time Arthur use one of Peter's abilities he is using empathic mimicry |
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== Power == |
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Did he not use [[Mental manipulation]] on [[Hiro]]? [[User:Psilaq Remake|Psilaq Remake]] 20:01, 20 November 2008 (EST) |
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:He could have been using [[telepathy]], like he did to [[Angela]] in ''[[Villains]]''. We're not sure, though I'm more inclined to think it's mental manipulation. That's just me, though. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:15, 20 November 2008 (EST) |
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*I believe it was Mental manipulation because he grabbed Hiro's head. [[User:Psilaq Remake|Psilaq Remake]] 21:58, 20 November 2008 (EST) |
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**Even if he did, we can't list that ability until it's confirmed by a verifiable source. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 08:37, 21 November 2008 (EST) |
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*** Right. As of now, it's unspecified and purposely ambiguous. That's the way it should be. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:49, 21 November 2008 (EST) |
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**** In [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931 CBR's BTE] Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete confirmed that he was using the Haitian’s ability. Should we add it to the list? --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 05:29, 25 November 2008 (EST) |
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***** I think it's safe to add to the list. Presumably, Peter had the ability in his system (from being exposed to the Haitian) but never knew about it, but Arthur knew about it once he absorbed it. [[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 09:07, 25 November 2008 (EST) |
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****** I'm not sure if Arthur got it from Peter, didn't Linderman tell Angela that Arthur had been removing memories and placing thoughts in her head? --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 23:10, 27 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Telepathy source == |
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It doesn't matter much whether we use ''[[Villains]]'' or ''[[Dying of the Light]]'' as the source for [[telepathy]] on this page. Both are valid sources, both have as much reason to be on the page as the other. Only one is needed, of course. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:57, 23 November 2008 (EST) |
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*Don't earlier episodes have preference? If Villains is sourced, it implies that he didn't have, or at least didn't display it until that episode, which is incorrect. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 10:39, 24 November 2008 (EST) |
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** Nope, it doesn't imply anything, and earlier episodes don't have preference. By that logic, sourcing ''Dying of the Light'' would imply that Arthur didn't display the power until March 2007 since that episode takes place at a later chronological date. In the end, a source is just a source, and there's nothing that says that it has to be the first episode where it was demonstrated. Unless it's a table where it explicitly says something about the source being the first time something was displayed, any source will do. We typically use the first source because that's when we add it to the page, and there's no sense in updating the page just to change the source to another source which is equally valid. This particular case is an odd one since ''[[Dying of the Light]]'' aired before ''[[Villains]]'', but takes place chronologically months after. I don't care what episode source is used, but I do care that there are tiny edit wars on the page. That shouldn't be happening. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:28, 24 November 2008 (EST) |
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*** I get it know, and if that's the case, I do prefer Villains as the source due to the chronology aspect. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 11:38, 24 November 2008 (EST) |
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**** Does anyone object? If not I intend to change the source to Villains in a couple days. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:32, 26 November 2008 (EST) |
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***** I don't care one way or another. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:47, 26 November 2008 (EST) |
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== Precog source? == |
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On this page, we're saying that he got precog from Peter. on the page about [[Arthur's drawings|his drawings]] we're saying he got it from Usutu. For consistency sake, which is it?--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 14:01, 28 November 2008 (EST) |
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: I changed it to Peter on the drawings page, since there is no evidence he stole Usutu's power before ripping his head off, but we know he absorbed all of Peter's powers, which would include precognition. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 14:20, 28 November 2008 (EST) |
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:: I believe its the copy Peter got from Issac Mendez that he used. Speaking of which, while they never said which power did he use to kill Usutu??? I think it was Peter's super-strength copy but it was never said. |
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== Comapny man? == |
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Shouldn't we put him as the leader of the Company? He seemed to be more of Linderman's boss than an actual colleague. Besides the plan of New York Destruction wasn't originally his idea? --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 08:59, 5 December 2008 (EST) |
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* He did seem to be above Daniel, but we don't know how involved he was in Company affairs. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:33, 5 December 2008 (EST) |
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** Right. About all we know for sure is that he helped found the Company. That doesn't necessarily make him a current leader. Angela wasn't the leader until Bob died. And before that, I believe Linderman was the leader. The scenes with Linderman and Arthur can just as easily be interpreted as Arthur intimidating Linderman with the threat of his power. "Sometimes I worry you're outliving your usefulness." I'd cave, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:40, 5 December 2008 (EST) |
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*** I actually got the impression from what he said that he had a major role in the Linderman Group and was the force behind Linderman and all that he did there. |
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== Arthur's death == |
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Is Arthur really dead because I hate to think that he'll suddenly regenerate or something and revive??? Some shows do that. One of my other favorite shows had a villian that just wouldn't die no matter how many times he was apparently killed. He was shot, blasted at from outer space, had his ship destroyed with him apparently on it and was finally thrown from a tower thousands of feet in the air. THAT finally killed him (the writters confirm his death) but it got ''so'' annoying that he kept coming back. He was a powerful foe like Arthur: being one of the galaxies most wanted dead he started building his own army claiming to need it for protection and survival. He created horrible things that were loyal only to him and finally settled on a human/alien hybrid that made current and Future Mohinder look normal. He built up an army of experiments and mercanaries, built bases, got himself a ship (never explained where that came from) and became one of the most powerful foes there were in the galaxy, so powerful that in the future he actually took over the galaxy and killed most of the charchters. He was an enemy to everyone both good and evil and it was somewhat the good guys fault he was this way: we experimented on him and while he did get away (after being shot and surviving) he became a pariah among his own kind and went insane. One of the charchters found this out after accidently traveling to the future in an episode somewhat reminisant of the times Peter and Hiro accidently travel to the future to find it horrible. After traveling back a battle ensues and the enemy is finally defeated and the future changed: his army and ship are destroyed, his bases are found and dismantled and the experiments that could be reverted back to human ''are'' reverted back, but he survives and surprises everyone when they all have relaxed due to believing he's dead. He makes a vie for a baby that will allow him to perfect his experiments and tries to kill everyone, but is defeated again, barley and is killed in a hand to hand fight on top of a tower when the mother of the baby he tried to kidnap knocks him off so he's holding on and at her mercy and like with Peter and Arthur, kills him by kicking his hands off as he's too dangerous to risk containing and getting away again. [[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 00:04, 9 December 2008 |
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*Huh?--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 00:13, 9 December 2008 (EST) |
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**Rofl. To try and clarify things, I don't think Arthur will come back considering he was shot in the head, anything to do with damage to the brain, save for the branch in Claire's head, has been regarded as something there's no coming back from. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 00:16, 9 December 2008 (EST) |
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| Nov 2008-Dec 2009 | [[Talk:Arthur Petrelli/Archive 2# Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error messa| Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. 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Mrs. Petrelli?
Who's that? 
AltesUTC CH 08:26, 25 December 2009 (EST)
- I think it was put because of the "It was your mothers recipe" bit in Villans. I don't think her surname was ever confirmed though. - Jenx222 | U / T / C | <inlcudeonly>08:00, 7 January 2012 (EST) 08:30, 25 December 2009 (EST)
- Should be her married name anyway. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:56, 26 December 2009 (EST)
Template for Arthur?
I'm just wondering, since Peter (and his future selves) and Sylar (future selves as well) have templates for the abilities that they have absorbed/replicated, should one be made for Arthur? I'd be willing to make it. --Leckie -- Talk 07:05, 11 January 2010 (EST)
Powers?
Alot of powers he could have, are not listed? We should add them to the list. -- (WaterRatj) 13:38, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Nope. Not unless he manifests them, meaning not unless he actually used any of them. --mc_hammark 13:39, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- We did it for Peter -- (WaterRatj) 13:42, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- We don't list many of Arthur's potential abilities because we don't know that Peter even had those abilities in the first place. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Thats what I said, if we do it for peter why not Arthur. Some of Sylar's abilities arn't listed either -- (WaterRatj) 14:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- We don't list many of Arthur's potential abilities because we don't know that Peter even had those abilities in the first place. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- We did it for Peter -- (WaterRatj) 13:42, 2 February 2010 (EST)
His power
Is permanent? This has been proven incorrect trough Matt jr? -- (WaterRatj) 17:52, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- I can't find where it says this. --mc_hammark 17:55, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Never mind the page said 'Arthur claimed that the effects of his ability are permanent.', din't saw Arthur claimed this :p But should we put it, that in some cases people can get their abilities back? -- (WaterRatj) 17:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Not on his page, and it's already noted on the Power absorption page. --mc_hammark 18:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- It's a sort of complicated issue, really. I believe what happened is that Arthur truly removed Hiro's power, not just deactivated it. When Hiro came in contact with Matt Jr., it "jump started" his ability from his core DNA. It didn't just make his power work again, he had to work very hard to make it do anything at all. Over the course of a year or so, he was finally able to use his full ability again. So I would say that the power does remove it permanently (because the alternative would be a temporary removal, or burying it, neither of which are true). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:03, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Yeah its a but complicated, to bad they don't gave full explanation of his ability :D -- (WaterRatj) 18:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Maybe Arthur meant that there was no known way to restore abilities, or at least no natural ways to do so, without intervention. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:17, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Yeah its a but complicated, to bad they don't gave full explanation of his ability :D -- (WaterRatj) 18:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- Never mind the page said 'Arthur claimed that the effects of his ability are permanent.', din't saw Arthur claimed this :p But should we put it, that in some cases people can get their abilities back? -- (WaterRatj) 17:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
The way he takes powers
I think their was mentioned somewhere after he took Peter's ability he could choose how to take powers? Isn't this Technecally incorrect? Since EM is passive and from the moment he has is, auto mimics others their ability? -- (WaterRatj) 14:09, 3 February 2010 (EST)
- I believe it was a BTE interview. Who knows? Maybe he was good enough with powers to the point he could turn EM on and off. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:33, 3 February 2010 (EST)
- Maybe :D, thanks for the input, thought I read it somewhere. -- (WaterRatj) 14:34, 3 February 2010 (EST)
Empathic mimicry (2)
Why is EM now on Arthur's pane? Wasn't the rule that he had to demonstrate the ability for it to be shown?--Evil Maldini 17:53, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- Because EM was Peter's power, which was (obviously) stolen. He didn't need to demonstrate it, simply because we knew he took it from Peter. --Ricard Desi 20:29, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- I think the only way to demonstrate empathic mimicry is to demonstrate other powers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- True. But assuming EM was a "sponge", wouldn't Arthur's theft of Peter's electric manipulation imply he took the EM used to hold it? --Ricard Desi 20:41, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- Yes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- Well not completly -- (WaterRatj) 22:09, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- True. But assuming EM was a "sponge", wouldn't Arthur's theft of Peter's electric manipulation imply he took the EM used to hold it? --Ricard Desi 20:41, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- I think the only way to demonstrate empathic mimicry is to demonstrate other powers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
- Well, two things- why is this only being listed now, seeing as this incident happened ages ago? And what Ryan said above was right, without definitive knowledge that Arthur absorbed EM with all the other abilities attatched as Ricard suggested, as opposed to absorbing each ability Peter had as a seperate ability in one go, the only method of demonstrating EM would be for him to use an ability we know he hadn't gained through his natural power, and he never did that. So I advocate that that we either list all the powers we 'know' he stole from Peter, whether he used them or not, or only list the ones he used, which we're doing now. We never saw an example of EM.--Evil Maldini 13:18, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- An "absorbed but not used" version of Peter's "exposed" abilities? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- Well we already have that right, but we list the one's he has used only on his info pane- I'm arguing that we've never seen him use EM, so it shouldn't be listed.--Evil Maldini 13:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- I agree. We haven't ever seen him use empathic mimicry. We've only seen him use the abilities that Peter mimicked. Did Arthur ever absorb empathic mimicry, or just Peter's mimicked abilities? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- If he had absorbed only Peter's abilities, he'd still be able to mimic them again, meaning it wouldn't have made a difference, since he'd just be exposed to them again by standing next to Arthur. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- I'm saying he absorbed EM as much as he absorbed all the other powers from Peter that he never was seen using, like Flight and Induced Radioactivity- but just as we don't list those on his info pane, as we never saw him use them, nor should we list EM, even with the implication Ricard mentioned.--Evil Maldini 11:54, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- Ok, so the thing is, Arthur has shown use of empathic mimicry. Now, we know that EM is still only one ability, which allows the user's DNA to change to allow loads of different aspects. Arthur couldn't take "electric manipulation" because peter didn't have that, his EM only allowed him to mimic it. So any "ability" that Arthur has, isn't an ability, just an aspect of the EM he stole from Peter. This also means he displayed its use. --mc_hammark 21:10, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- Given the fact that Arthur has an ability that allows him to take the abilities of others, and the fact that demonstrating empathic mimicry is a pretty murky thing, just about any "evidence" for or against Arthur having demonstrated EM is really pretty theoretical. Since we really have no hard evidence one way or the other, we should probably leave EM off the list of abilities that we know he has. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:37, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- Actually, we do have one tangentially related piece of evidence that could help this along. When Sylar was cured of the Shanti virus, he regained his IA (and TK, but that's always been a special case). He does NOT regain the rest of his powers. Why? Because Sylar lost his "sponge", and his abilities "fell out". He got IA back, but it was an "empty" IA. If we use the same logic here, Arthur could not have stolen anything from Peter EXCEPT for his "full" EM (which includes all the powers Peter replicated). Which is why all of Peter's abilities are gone. We can say without any speculation that Arthur did absorb EM. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi 22:14, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- Given the fact that Arthur has an ability that allows him to take the abilities of others, and the fact that demonstrating empathic mimicry is a pretty murky thing, just about any "evidence" for or against Arthur having demonstrated EM is really pretty theoretical. Since we really have no hard evidence one way or the other, we should probably leave EM off the list of abilities that we know he has. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:37, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- Ok, so the thing is, Arthur has shown use of empathic mimicry. Now, we know that EM is still only one ability, which allows the user's DNA to change to allow loads of different aspects. Arthur couldn't take "electric manipulation" because peter didn't have that, his EM only allowed him to mimic it. So any "ability" that Arthur has, isn't an ability, just an aspect of the EM he stole from Peter. This also means he displayed its use. --mc_hammark 21:10, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- I'm saying he absorbed EM as much as he absorbed all the other powers from Peter that he never was seen using, like Flight and Induced Radioactivity- but just as we don't list those on his info pane, as we never saw him use them, nor should we list EM, even with the implication Ricard mentioned.--Evil Maldini 11:54, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- If he had absorbed only Peter's abilities, he'd still be able to mimic them again, meaning it wouldn't have made a difference, since he'd just be exposed to them again by standing next to Arthur. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- I agree. We haven't ever seen him use empathic mimicry. We've only seen him use the abilities that Peter mimicked. Did Arthur ever absorb empathic mimicry, or just Peter's mimicked abilities? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- Well we already have that right, but we list the one's he has used only on his info pane- I'm arguing that we've never seen him use EM, so it shouldn't be listed.--Evil Maldini 13:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- An "absorbed but not used" version of Peter's "exposed" abilities? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
- If you're right mc then we would need to remove every 'ability' from Arthur's page that he gained through Peter alone, like say Telekinesis, and then remove Arthur's name from the TK page, as he never actually had that ability itself, as it was just an aspect of Peter's one power that he took when he did. That's a lot of changing, and it's based upon the nature of EM, but how do we know that nature? What if EM was simply used only in the initial mimic, and after that Peter used the abilities he gained in the same way the original holder did?--Evil Maldini 08:41, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
- EDIT: Linked to the Talk:Empathic mimicry page.
- In response to Richard's post, I believe the "sponge" analogy was only meant for Peter's ability in how he aquires others' through his EM. Sylar is of course much different in how he gains new powers and in his case he actually changes his own DNA to obtain the ability while Peter just mimics, if I understand it correctly. Peter's EM should be listed for Arthur's stolen abilities because that is precisely what he took.--Inblackestnight 17:47, 18 June 2010
- Inblackestnight, you must sign any comment you add to a talk page. This is the seventh time you've been asked. Any questions can be left on my talk page.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 17:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
- In response to Richard's post, I believe the "sponge" analogy was only meant for Peter's ability in how he aquires others' through his EM. Sylar is of course much different in how he gains new powers and in his case he actually changes his own DNA to obtain the ability while Peter just mimics, if I understand it correctly. Peter's EM should be listed for Arthur's stolen abilities because that is precisely what he took.--Inblackestnight 17:47, 18 June 2010
- EDIT: Linked to the Talk:Empathic mimicry page.