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Artificial Ability

My theory is that Arthur's power stealing ability is artificial, and that the ring that he wears gives him the ability. In last night's episode, he didn't seem to have any power besides the telepathy based ones. I also think that he commissioned the mission to video Sylar using his ability: HRG pointedly refers to Sylar's ability as the ability to move powers from one vessel to another, and then later mentions that the video tape would be studied extensively. So I think that Arthur used what he learned from that video to build a power stealing ring. This would explain why getting footage of Sylar was worth letting him kill again to the company. Thoughts? --Hollie Maea 14:02, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Definitely... not. Intuitive Empath 14:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)
OK...thanks for all the detailed reasons you gave :\ --Hollie Maea 14:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Your theory stops working the moments you suggested the ring gives him his ability, there's nothing in the show which even remotely suggests something like that. Intuitive Empath 16:18, 11 November 2008 (EST)
What is the significance of the ring then? They wouldn't have made a big deal out of showing it if it weren't significant.
It's essentially his symbol, much like the glasses to HRG.Exproject 00:52, 12 November 2008 (EST)
I've had the same theory except the ring part. All of the last episode he demonstrated no powers in the past except telepathy. (unless its been demonstrated in some webisode/graphic novel) I was thinking more along the lines that he had his additional powerstealing ability created for him after he was poisoned using pinehearst with specific intent to use adam to heal himself. RyanB 07:36, 15 November 2008 (EST)
I don't think think that's the case, so far all artificial powers demonstrated weren't as advanced as Arthur's ability. Also, if he had his power stealing created after the poisoning then Peter and Sylar wouldn't have inherited a similar ability to his. -Rainman 12:38, 19 November 2008 (EST)
If the power one gets artificially is based on genetics then it is possible he got a power near identical to his two power hungry children if it was artificially induced. --Snow Leapord 13:02, 19 November 2008 (EST)
If that was the case then Nathan would have gotten a much better power than Flight. -Rainman 13:23, 19 November 2008 (EST)
Not necessarily, his genetics might not be predisposed to being power hungry, there are thousands of different possible genetic combinations between Arthur & Angela, any one of them could have eliminated the predisposition to be a power hungry synthetically evolved human. --Snow Leapord 13:39, 19 November 2008 (EST)
I wouldn't categorize Peter as power hungry, though I do agree on the part where you said there could be many different genetic combinations between Arthur and Angela. Still, Nathan got the short end of the stick when it comes to the family gene pool.-Rainman 14:19, 20 November 2008 (EST)
  • My theory is that Arthur's ability is synthetic, for a different reason. The formula, designed by Victoria, was shown to Arthur via Linderman, and, being jealous of people with powers, injected himself and got the perfect power to support his jealousy - the ability to render others' powerless while making himself greater. Kaito, knowing Arthur's true motives, then injected the last part of the formula into an unsuspecting person, and that is what led to Kaito leaving the Company. --DocM 15:46, 20 November 2008 (EST)

All of Peter's Abilities?

Of all other the powers Peter had at the time of his depowering, Arthur has only demonstrated Lightning and Telekinesis. My theory is that perhaps he does -not- have access to the other powers that Peter had, because he did not witness him demonstrate them. Is it possible that power absorption only works on those abilities that Arthur consciously tries to absorb. Why then, does Peter not have any of his other abilities? Because he only had access to them through Empathic Mimicry, (which it is implied in Arthur and Angela's conversation in "Villians" Arthur also had knowledge of) he can no longer access. What do you think? Dumpster juice 18:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)

It could be similar to the situation when Peter had all Sylar's powers but only used telekinesis. Arthur has all Peter's powers but doesn't know what powers he now has, and therefore cannot use any of those which he hasn't seen Peter use. --Gianni23 10:22, 13 November 2008 (EST)Gianni23


Since it looks like we might never find out, what was the final word on this? Can we assume (based on Arthur's words) that he had all of Peter's abilities, to the point of doing things like listing Arthur on the enhanced strength page? --Stevehim 19:43, 13 December 2008 (EST)

  • People with the power of EM, only can use powers if they know they have it, Arthur din't know what powers peter had at the time -- (WaterRatj) 05:25, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Arthur also displayed precognition and space-time manipulation, and mental manipulation was possibly taken from Peter. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

A little hard to believe

Suspension of disbelief is necessary at times, but I wonder why Angela wasn't more thorough about making sure Arthur was dead before having him cremated. It's unclear whether she knew who Dr. Livitz was, but with both Angela and Arthur being masters of deception, the old rule holds true: "I won't believe he's dead unless I see a body!"

A possible explanation is she didn't want police (or anyone else) to find out Arthur was poisoned, casting suspicion on her. Or leave enough time for a Coroner's Inquest. So aside from the possibility of a benevolent doctor finding out what really happened — which didn't, because it was Dr. Livitz — I'm glad this was fairly well thought through. --Torley 00:50, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Spacetime manipulation

He probably used it to get to Africa, but until it's confirmed he did, shouldn't it be kept off "demonstrated"? Intuitive Empath 14:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, i think it should. meteoritu 17:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Empathic mimicry

Isn't Arthur accessing Peter's abilities through empathic mimicry? Peter didn't absorbed abilities like Sylar or Arthur, he needed his empathy to used them, like regeneration he had to access it rather than just heal like Claire. every time Arthur use one of Peter's abilities he is using empathic mimicry --JDeus01 15:53, 19 November 2008

  • Actually that is consistent with canon source. The writers have stated that Peter was only exposed to empathic mimicry when he was with Future Peter. I like this explanation, but unfortunately he demonstartes electric manipulation and space time amanipulation before he met Elle or Hiro. D Toccs 03:20, 8 January 2009 (EST)
    • Not true: he was imprisoned by Elle in Four Months Ago for nearly four months that's how he got that power Four Months Later was chronologicaly after those events and as for Hiro he did have an encounter with Future Hiro or don't you remember "save the cheerleader, save the world?"
    • When did Peter exhibit electric manipulation before meeting Elle or space-time manipulation before meeting Hiro (or did you mean Arthur)? Peter absorbs only empathic mimicry when exposed to future versions of himself, but he has that power before ever coming into contact with them, so he doesn't really need to absorb it (I think the writers were just saying that Peter doesn't get all of Future Peter's abilities). With regards to Peter accessing his powers...I think he does absorb them permanently like Arthur and Sylar do (though in a different way). Mohinder's comment to Nathan about how Peter's ability works is very indicative of this, and we've seen Peter access powers he didn't even know he had (eg - Phasing, Regeneration, etc), indicating that Peter was able to use powers without consciously accessing his innate power of empathic mimicry. So I would say that Arthur absorbed all of the powers Peter had separately, and it wouldn't matter if he somehow lost empathic mimicry...he'd still have the rest of the powers. --Stevehim 03:46, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Power

Did he not use Mental manipulation on Hiro? Psilaq Remake 20:01, 20 November 2008 (EST)

He could have been using telepathy, like he did to Angela in Villains. We're not sure, though I'm more inclined to think it's mental manipulation. That's just me, though. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:15, 20 November 2008 (EST)
  • I believe it was Mental manipulation because he grabbed Hiro's head. Psilaq Remake 21:58, 20 November 2008 (EST)
    • Even if he did, we can't list that ability until it's confirmed by a verifiable source. Intuitive Empath 08:37, 21 November 2008 (EST)
      • Right. As of now, it's unspecified and purposely ambiguous. That's the way it should be. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:49, 21 November 2008 (EST)
        • In CBR's BTE Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete confirmed that he was using the Haitian’s ability. Should we add it to the list? --Powermimic 05:29, 25 November 2008 (EST)
          • I think it's safe to add to the list. Presumably, Peter had the ability in his system (from being exposed to the Haitian) but never knew about it, but Arthur knew about it once he absorbed it. Radicell 09:07, 25 November 2008 (EST)
            • I'm not sure if Arthur got it from Peter, didn't Linderman tell Angela that Arthur had been removing memories and placing thoughts in her head? --Powermimic 23:10, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Telepathy source

It doesn't matter much whether we use Villains or Dying of the Light as the source for telepathy on this page. Both are valid sources, both have as much reason to be on the page as the other. Only one is needed, of course. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:57, 23 November 2008 (EST)

  • Don't earlier episodes have preference? If Villains is sourced, it implies that he didn't have, or at least didn't display it until that episode, which is incorrect. Intuitive Empath 10:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)
    • Nope, it doesn't imply anything, and earlier episodes don't have preference. By that logic, sourcing Dying of the Light would imply that Arthur didn't display the power until March 2007 since that episode takes place at a later chronological date. In the end, a source is just a source, and there's nothing that says that it has to be the first episode where it was demonstrated. Unless it's a table where it explicitly says something about the source being the first time something was displayed, any source will do. We typically use the first source because that's when we add it to the page, and there's no sense in updating the page just to change the source to another source which is equally valid. This particular case is an odd one since Dying of the Light aired before Villains, but takes place chronologically months after. I don't care what episode source is used, but I do care that there are tiny edit wars on the page. That shouldn't be happening. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)
      • I get it know, and if that's the case, I do prefer Villains as the source due to the chronology aspect. Intuitive Empath 11:38, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Precog source?

On this page, we're saying that he got precog from Peter. on the page about his drawings we're saying he got it from Usutu. For consistency sake, which is it?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 14:01, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I changed it to Peter on the drawings page, since there is no evidence he stole Usutu's power before ripping his head off, but we know he absorbed all of Peter's powers, which would include precognition. --Stevehim 14:20, 28 November 2008 (EST)
I believe its the copy Peter got from Issac Mendez that he used. Speaking of which, while they never said which power did he use to kill Usutu??? I think it was Peter's super-strength copy but it was never said.

Comapny man?

Shouldn't we put him as the leader of the Company? He seemed to be more of Linderman's boss than an actual colleague. Besides the plan of New York Destruction wasn't originally his idea? --Manwithnoname 08:59, 5 December 2008 (EST)

  • He did seem to be above Daniel, but we don't know how involved he was in Company affairs. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:33, 5 December 2008 (EST)
    • Right. About all we know for sure is that he helped found the Company. That doesn't necessarily make him a current leader. Angela wasn't the leader until Bob died. And before that, I believe Linderman was the leader. The scenes with Linderman and Arthur can just as easily be interpreted as Arthur intimidating Linderman with the threat of his power. "Sometimes I worry you're outliving your usefulness." I'd cave, too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:40, 5 December 2008 (EST)
      • I actually got the impression from what he said that he had a major role in the Linderman Group and was the force behind Linderman and all that he did there.

Arthur's death

Is Arthur really dead because I hate to think that he'll suddenly regenerate or something and revive??? Some shows do that. One of my other favorite shows had a villian that just wouldn't die no matter how many times he was apparently killed. He was shot, blasted at from outer space, had his ship destroyed with him apparently on it and was finally thrown from a tower thousands of feet in the air. THAT finally killed him (the writters confirm his death) but it got so annoying that he kept coming back. He was a powerful foe like Arthur: being one of the galaxies most wanted dead he started building his own army claiming to need it for protection and survival. He created horrible things that were loyal only to him and finally settled on a human/alien hybrid that made current and Future Mohinder look normal. He built up an army of experiments and mercanaries, built bases, got himself a ship (never explained where that came from) and became one of the most powerful foes there were in the galaxy, so powerful that in the future he actually took over the galaxy and killed most of the charchters. He was an enemy to everyone both good and evil and it was somewhat the good guys fault he was this way: we experimented on him and while he did get away (after being shot and surviving) he became a pariah among his own kind and went insane. One of the charchters found this out after accidently traveling to the future in an episode somewhat reminisant of the times Peter and Hiro accidently travel to the future to find it horrible. After traveling back a battle ensues and the enemy is finally defeated and the future changed: his army and ship are destroyed, his bases are found and dismantled and the experiments that could be reverted back to human are reverted back, but he survives and surprises everyone when they all have relaxed due to believing he's dead. He makes a vie for a baby that will allow him to perfect his experiments and tries to kill everyone, but is defeated again, barley and is killed in a hand to hand fight on top of a tower when the mother of the baby he tried to kidnap knocks him off so he's holding on and at her mercy and like with Peter and Arthur, kills him by kicking his hands off as he's too dangerous to risk containing and getting away again. WarGrowlmon18 00:04, 9 December 2008

  • And which show is that again? Bloodbath 06:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • Stargate Atlantis, the enemy's name was Michael, he used to be what was called a Wraith, but we turned him human, he turned mostly back, got turned human again, mostly back again and then made himself a hybrid of both which he died as when he was thrown of Atlantis' tallest tower (yes, the Lost City of Atlantis).--WarGrowlmon18 10:53, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • Huh?--Bob (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • My sentiments exactly. - Tristan0709 00:23, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • Rofl. To try and clarify things, I don't think Arthur will come back considering he was shot in the head, anything to do with damage to the brain, save for the branch in Claire's head, has been regarded as something there's no coming back from. Dracomaster4 00:16, 9 December 2008 (EST)
      • Honestly, I can't read all that huge paragraph, but Future Peter died the same way. --Ice Vision (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2008 (EST)
        • No he didn't: Future Peter was shot twice in the chest and died due to The Haitian blocking his powers. I think he was only able to regenerate that time Sylar killed him due to Claire being right there and his body mimicking her power due to her presence. I don't think he's really able to regenerate from all of the things Claire could. --WarGrowlmon18 05:26, 9 December 2008
          • Peter did regenerate after a piece of metal pierced his heart. He only died because the Haitian blocked his power, just like Arthur dying because the Haitian blocked his power. --Ice Vision (talk) 00:44, 9 December 2008 (EST)
            • No, Arthur regained his powers: he slashed Peter's cheek with telekinesis but missed the bullet due to him being focused on doing that. If The Haitian was still blocking powers, Sylar's would have been blocked too. --WarGrowlmon18 15:53, 9 December 2008
            • Arthur appears to be dead cause the Haitian blocked his ability to regenerate. For the same reason, Future Peter got killed in I Am Become Death.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2008 (EST)

I think Arthur is definitely dead, cause he didn't start to regenerate after the Haitian left the room. Simple as that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:28, 9 December 2008 (EST)

  • Didn't Angela explicitly say that Pete had to shoot him in the BACK of the head? If Arthur does return, there's your loophole. NathanMosaic 11:55, 9 December 2008
    • Yes, but I think the bullet went all the way through his head as I think I saw blood shoot out the back and the catalyst died too which Mohinder said would happen with the death of the host.--WarGrowlmon18 13:54, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • What about his Body? when the Marine wakes up Nathan (Dual 10 minutes in) it is gone with a bloodtrail on the floor.... well where have we seen that before? right Sylars "death". -- Bugenhagen 21.12.2008
    • I think the writers purposely left a loophole so that If they wanted, they could bring him back. I mean, didn't Arthur manage to break The Haitian's hold on him before Peter actually fired? But if it hit the right spot and was left there then he'd die. It's left open to keep us guessing =) Snoops619 15:54, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Who killed Arthur?

Who do we credit with killing Arthur? I would think we'd have to say it was Sylar. Not only does he pretty much say that, he stopped the bullet telekinetically (as opposed to Peter stopping the taser with space-time manipulation). Thus, releasing that power should not cause the bullet to resume its normal motion, and I interpreted the scene (having only watched it once) as Sylar using his telekinesis to propel the bullet into Arthur's head. --Stevehim 03:13, 9 December 2008 (EST)

  • I think we credit Peter, Sylar just held the bullet in place there and let it go. If you watch his hand (and I rewatched the part to make sure) you'll see that he made no movements that would propel the bullet like that, he just seemed to drop his hand and let go. I agree with the person below me: that is what appeared to happen. --WarGrowlmon18 15:53, 9 December 2008
  • I believe that Sylar "held" the bullet rather than stopping it's motion, if you look closely you can see that the bullet is still spinning, and then allowed it to continue its motion without taking away any power from it. --Davey0812:17, 10 December 2008 (EST)
    • After watching it again, I'm not so sure. The bullet is still clearly spinning, but Sylar also clearly jerks his hand when he releases it, suggesting he added some force. We've also been given no indication (that I can think of anyway) that telekinesis merely 'pauses' motion, rather than stopping it. His words directly before that, that Peter isn't a killer, but he (Sylar) is, suggest that Sylar killed Arthur. Arthur's final words in the GN: Truths, however, seem to indicate it was Peter. It has to be recorded on a bunch of different pages, so I wanted to get everyone's thoughts (for now, I'll list them both). --Stevehim 15:47, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • Peter pulled the trigger, so I would say that he killed Arthur. Sylar just stopped it so that he could ask Arthur if he was really his father, then let it go after he got his answer. Bloodbath 20:17, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah, I think Sylar just sort of held it and didn't stop it. He just let it go when he was done questioning him. I think Sylar just jerked his hand away, that's all. And I agree: GN: Truths definitly indicates Peter killed him.--WarGrowlmon18 02:24, 10 December 2008 (EST)
      • Kinda like asking, who nuked hiroshima? The enola gay pilot, the bombadeer who opened the door, or President Truman who gave the orders. Peter fired the fatal shot, Sylar simply hit 'the pause button' for a few seconds. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 01/8/2009 15:23 (EST)
        • Peter mustered up the balls to pull the trigger himself so the credit goes to him.Vanguard 10:32, 18 February 2009 (EST)

While my response is about 10 months late, I still feel it's valid. I say it was Sylar that killed him. Sylar has telekinesis, not space-time-manipulation. Hence, when he stops a bullet, letting go will cause the bullet to drop, not continue the motion that was just brought to a sudden stop. Yet, the bullet obviously went straight for Arthur. Therefore, Sylar propelled it. I think Peter should still be credited with attempting it, though. I just think Sylar should be credited with finishing the job.--ERROR 18:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Clairvoyance

The Shark is back with a question:

“When Hiro goes back and takes the catalyst upon himself, Arthur shows up shortly after and takes the catalyst from him, as well as his powers. My question is this: how on earth did Arthur know that Hiro and Claire had gone back in time, and that they were where and when they were? Is Arthur omniscient?”

This is actually something that we can tell you is going to be on the DVD. There was a scene where Arthur found Molly and stole her ability, using it to find Hiro and Claire in the past. However, the scene just seemed overwhelmingly, what’s the word? Disturbing. - Mike the Man-child!

Ability Absorption

Okay, here's my idea. We have two characters with powers to affect or work with abilities - Ando's ability supercharging and Peter's ability replication. So why do we still call Arthur's ability "power absorption" instead of "ability absorption"? (Altes)

  • It was stated in his assignment tracker. It may not be what you like but it is canon and we must abide by it.--Steelymcbeam 09:34, 18 February 2009 (EST)
    • You have a point, but what about Peter and Ando, then? Their powers' names begin with "ability". Is that canon? (Altes)
      • Press the signature in one of the buttons at the top if you want to sign, personally I don't see a difference between power and ability.. I mean if someone has "great ability" they may have an aptitude to learn better or have great leadership ability, but if you said "They have great leadership power" it makes no sense.

Power Mimicry was Peter's ability before the whole "empath" thing and made it Empathic Mimicry instead of Ability Mimicry. But Power Replication doesn't sound that good and Power Mimicry would just be speculative and not going to happen. So Ability Replication is the so far, same goes with "Ability supercharging doesn't sound right with Power Supercharging or Power Amplification >_> --Arkillion 21:42, 19 February 2009 (EST)

  • Power absorption doesn't sound good to me either, but it's canon. I mean, the assignment tracker would name their abilities power something-something too.--Altes 07:27, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Worst Villian/Character Ever?

Perhaps it is because I'm not to used to the whole thing, but isn't Arthur's character the worst that they could have introduced? Seriously, comon, Heroes was always about groups of people posing threats in the form of the company or people like Sylar, who needs a haircut, that made the show a simple yet complex piece and a pleasure to watch. introducing Arthur was never intended to be done until two writers, who have now been fired for making the wrong choices with the show's direction and lowering the ratings, crippilled the chances of a fourth season by making this god-forbiddin piece of driftwood the main bad guy. the first four episodes and initial direction of the plot was amazing, Angela's vision was of five villians causing mahem agaisnt the only ones who could stop them and in the end make the world into their toy, giving Mohinder powers was something that they wanted to see since Bennet asked if he was on the good old list from season 1 was a turn for the better because he could grow ties to the five initial villians, again from Angela's dream inorder to heal the negative affects of his power, using Adam's blood as a real catalist as opposed to the bullshit floating fanta stlyed mist that was spewed into a bukkect of, again, fizzed out fanta looking orange shit. But, by killing Adam, who was a highlight in the second season, having Elle dissapear for long durations at a time and making Sylar jump from serial killer (and a pimping awsemome one at that) to a good guy in all of 45 minutes? eliments like this killed the simple source of intrest that drove the show to be so good which was the, in the end, people driven to do evil things for and through the powers that they were given and to have them pose a threat against the Heroes that millions fell in love with after the pilot. Plus Arthurs power made the show a cheap rip off of actual comic sterotype bad guys, something that the show rebbeled agaianst since inception. In the end, he was a poorly chosen guy to put in the helm of the show's villian ensemble, and something that they will regret just as much as taking away Peter's and Hiro's powers also, along with killing off nearly every single black guy that ever popped up with an ability, Elle too, who after coming to love and respect Sylar got her brains fingered? Halfbreed1426 09:07, 21 February 2009

  • Agreed. They cold have done so much with that character, but chose the worst path. -- Tristan0709 talk 17:13, 21 February 2009 (EST)
  • Too be fair, The Actor Who Plays Knox is in a new ITV program (I think) :P --Drwho113
  • Knox was meant to be introduced as having some sort of enhanced strength killing a massive load of polic officers and drvining off with one of their vihicles, taking his fists to any one that he held grudges against.
  • I also completely agree with you especially about the Adam part. --Bigred24 22:56, 28 February 2009
IceGhost78 we need more dark chocolate on the show, and yes arthur sucks they killed off adam for this guy wtf

Telepathy or Mental Manipulation

Question. Why do we say he has mental manipulation? He has never shown ablity supression but has shown all aspects of telepathy. --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 17:20, 22 February 2009 (EST)

  • It was confirmed by BTE interview that he used mental manipulation to erase Hiro's memory. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:46, 22 February 2009 (EST)
    • If Peter could use mental manipulation or "Nullification" surely he could use it to nullify the abilities of others whilst retaining his own? I mean The Haitian keeps his ability from negating himself and the explosion future Haitian could let Matt use his telepathy. So I assume if Peter still had his abilities pre-loss he would be stronger than Sylar or anyone (Well he already was, but now Sylar is the strongest atm).
      • I think so, this ability is probably an example of ability immunity, users are immune to the harmful effects of the ability. Yeah, the Haitian can pick who he lets use an ability and who he doesn't, remember FMA? He let Elle spark Peter's nose but didn't let Peter move the glass. In terms of raw power, I think Peter was indeed stronger than Sylar, but since he didn't have that much control over his abilities, Sylar was able to best him. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:52, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Did BTE say that he has the Haitian's powers? Cuz they could be referring to Telepathy. Can I have the interview where this is said? --(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut 16:15, 5 March 2009 (EST)

I wonder...

Did Arthur not use Enhanced Strength to rip Usutu's head off. I know it could have been telekinesis but just a thought. MIDAS 09:23, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

  • He would have had his hands drenched in Usutu's blood then. -- Altes 06:22, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
    • Not necessarily, he could hold the head by the sides, grip tight and pull it off, blood would come from the neck, not the side of the head. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:38, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

I also thought Usutu's scream was accompanied by a sort of tear sound, although that could have been just a sound effect, or even TK's sound effect. They should have had arthur fly as well, that would have just looked cool. I know that's not what heroes is about but... still. Sort of wasted Arthur's potential if you ask me. Poison Emission, Induced Radio., Flight, IA, EM, Super Speed, and all he used was things existing characters still had. Wait, check that over... yeah, at the time he used them, every ability except Precognition was still being used.

      • I always got the feeling that he literally punched or ripped his head off.

Arthur Dead?

I don't believe it. He had absorbed rapid cell regeneration twice now, and it only took one bullet to kill him? It wasn't even in his neck. Even if the Haitian was there, shouldn't the ability have kicked in as soon as he left the area? Even if his brain had shut down by then, the same happened with Peter. When the glass was in his neck, I'm pretty sure his brain shut down, but as soon as it was taken out, his brain "came back to life", so to speak. I'm sure the same would apply to Arthur.

The bullet destroyed the "killspot" in Arthur's brain, he's not coming back. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Mental Manipulation?

It says here, Arthur used this on Angela. So...this would mean he doesnt have Mental Manipulation. Right?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 02:28, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

  • I don't know any place in the world of Heroes that would lead me to believe that Arthur has the same ability as the Haitian. If there's a suspicion of it, it's certainly not confirmed. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:13, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
    • For me, Arthur had both by the time he died, in Angela he used telepathy, which wasn't a complete erasure, since Angela could tell she was missing something, as if her memory had been supressed, but with Hiro, it was much more like the Haitian's ability, which is usually done through touch, it would make sense if he had gotten it as an ability to which Peter was exposed but never used. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:13, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
  • The writers confirmed he used the Haitian's ability on Hiro. - Josh (talk/contribs) 17:40, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
    • Ah yes, thank you for that reminder. I was only thinking of Villains, not any examples from the "present" timeline. Thanks! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:21, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Tim Petrelli

I can't seem to find where the name for his brother "Tim Petrelli" comes from, anyone know? - Jenx222 | U / T / C 16:16, 23 November 2009 (EST)

  • In Acceptance when Angela gives "Nathan" some old things and he touches a toy plane, he remembers that his Uncle Tim gave it to him. Since angela only had alice as a sibling, he must be arthur's brother. --mc_hammark 16:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)
    • Ahh ok, thanks - Jenx222 | U / T / C 16:24, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • Actually it could just be a friend of Angela. "Uncle" doesn't necessarily means it's a blood related uncle, like Samuel and Rebecca.
        • That's true. I think we should move the page to "Uncle Tim", and in notes say that it is unclear whether he is a blood relative or close family friend. Thoughts?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:59, 23 November 2009 (EST)
          • That's even more speculation to assume he's not their uncle. Until said otherwise, we recorded that Samuel was Rebecca Taylor's uncle. --OutbackZack 17:11, 23 November 2009 (EST)
            • Which was not such a smart move, as proved in the next episode. I didn't see no Tim Petrelli at Arthur's funeral as far as I know. We never heard of him nor see anything implying his existence. Since all the Petrellis have been pretty "exposed" in the show, even Angela's family, I think we should have heard of him if he was Arthur's brother. I know a lot of person who have "uncles" who aren't blood related. I, for instance. Whatever happens, there's not more assumption weither we say he is blood related or not. --Kleith 17:18, 23 November 2009 (EST)
              • Nathan said "Uncle Tim". Until someone in the show says otherwise, Timothy Petrelli is Nathan's uncle by blood. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:24, 23 November 2009 (EST)
                • He was mentioned one time, for about 2 seconds. I doubt he will ever make an appearance or even be mentioned again.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:28, 23 November 2009 (EST)
                  • http://www.thefreedictionary.com/uncle , moreover, how can you know it's not Arthur's sister's husband ? There is too many unknown things, I think we should go for "Uncle Tim" and not state he's "Timothy Petrelli" (ahem, Timothy ?) Why don't we create a Mama Petrelli, the one that gave Angela pasta's wasabee ? She won't be referred again, true, but that's the same for Tim.--Kleith 17:42, 23 November 2009 (EST)
                    • Tim's absence in Arthur's funeral could be due to him dying before Arthur's fake death. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:03, 23 November 2009 (EST)
                      • What page are we talking about moving? Also, Angela had no brothers, and Alice was never married. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:40, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Precognitive dreaming

Was there any conformation that Artur dind't use this ability? Because Arthur does sleep ( like any other normal human lol ), he might used this ability while sleeping but we never saw it.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 15:43, 9 December 2009 (EST)

  • The fact that we don't see (or hear of) him using it makes it unconfirmed. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 00:00, 10 December 2009 (EST)