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| [[Joseph Sullivan]] had [[empathic mimicry]]. || None || {{plus}} [[Lydia]] says Samuel is trying to fill in the void.<br />
{{plus}} [[Samuel]] says he needs someone to help him fill the void from his brother's death, which is why he targeted [[Peter]].<br />
{{plus}} [[Samuel]]'s interest in [[Edgar]]'s statement regarding meeting an empath.<br />
:{{minus}} [[Peter]] isn't an empath anymore.<br />
::{{plus}} Samuel might not know that. As far as he knows, Peter has a very empathic personality, and has mimicked [[Edgar]]'s power.<br />
:{{plus}} This could explain [[Samuel]]'s interest with [[Sylar]], who has many abilities, in the same way an empath would.<br />
::{{note}} Joseph, if an empath, could have been the Swiss Army Knife of the carnival, having as many powers as he could. Losing someone so useful would need someone like another empath, or Sylar to replace.<br />
{{minus}} Joseph was killed by the vigilante [[Danko]] just prior to the beginning of ''Redemption''. It seems unlikely that anyone as powerful as an empath that had absorbed all the powers of the carnival would die to Danko who, while a very capable professional soldier, has never shown any extraordinary skill in combating evolved humans.<br />
:{{plus}} Assuming the carnival does not have a regenerator, all it would have taken was for Danko to shoot Joseph in the back while he was still unaware of Danko's presence.<br />
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| Joseph had the ability to detect evolved humans. || None || {{plus}} Samuel said about Joseph, "He was my compass". The [[compass]] can detect evolved humans.<br />
| Joseph had the ability to detect evolved humans. || None || {{plus}} Samuel said about Joseph, "He was my compass". The [[compass]] can detect evolved humans.<br />
:{{note}} This is yet to be confirmed.<br />
:{{note}} This is yet to be confirmed.<br />
:{{minus}} It would appear that the compass detects the carnival.<br/>
{{minus}} Joseph wouldn't need Lydia then.<br />
{{minus}} Joseph wouldn't need Lydia then.<br />
:{{note}} Joseph wouldn't send Lydia away just because of her power, the carnival is a family.<br />
:{{note}} Joseph wouldn't send Lydia away just because of her power, the carnival is a family.<br />
::{{note}} Maybe when Joseph was alive, Lydia hadn't developed [[Empathy|her ability]] enough to find evolved humans. First of all, her ability is to sense what others feel.<br />
::{{note}} Maybe when Joseph was alive, Lydia hadn't developed [[Empathy|her ability]] enough to find evolved humans. First of all, her ability is to sense what others feel.<br />
{{minus}} Detecting evolved humans would not allow him to render Doyle unconscious.<br />
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| Joseph had some form of [[precognition]]. || None || {{plus}} Samuel's somewhat headstrong personality doesn't lend itself to both leadership of a group of mutants and staying hidden from [[the Company]]. Joseph may have made predictions which allowed the carnival to stay one step ahead.<br />
| Joseph was romantically involved with the [[fortune teller]]. || None || {{plus}} Samuel slapped Edgar for calling her an old hag and wondered "what if Joseph caught [him] talking like that".<br />
:{{minus}} It could be simply because Edgar was being rude to his fellow carny, which Joseph certainly wouldn't have approved.<br />
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| Joseph had [[telepathy]]. || None || {{plus}} During Mohinder's visit he appeared to know what Mohinder was thinking and knew more about him.<br />
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| Joseph was romantically involved with the [[fortune teller]]. || None || {{plus}} Samuel slapped Edgar for calling her an old hag, and wonders "what if Joseph caught [him] talking like that".<br />
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| Joseph had the power of [[persuasion]]. || None || {{plus}} He spoke with Mohinder in the imperative tone.<br />
{{minus}} It is possible that he may have [[telepathy]] or [[empathic mimicry]].<br />
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| [[Joseph]] is [[McSorley]]. || None || {{plus}} [[Joseph]] is older than Ricky. He is capable of forming a first family that didn't work out.<br />
| [[Joseph]] is McSorley. || None || {{plus}} Joseph is older than Ricky. He is capable of forming a first family that didn't work out.<br />
:{{minus}} There are other characters who are older than Ricky, all of which fit that description.<br />
:{{minus}} There are other characters who are older than Ricky, all of which fit that description.<br />
{{plus}} He is old enough to be [[McSorley's son]]'s father.<br />
{{plus}} He is old enough to be [[McSorley's son]]'s father.<br />
:{{minus}} So were lots of other characters.<br />
:{{minus}} So were lots of other characters.<br />
{{plus}} [[Joseph]] is a natural leader.<br />
{{plus}} Joseph is a natural leader.<br />
:{{minus}} Every Company founder was a leader.<br />
:{{minus}} Every Company founder was a leader.<br />
{{plus}} [[Joseph]] might have used the money, he made as a mobster to start the carnival.<br />
{{plus}} Joseph might have used the money, he made as a mobster to start the carnival.<br />
:{{minus}} He had [[Little Miss Goldenrod]] for that.<br />
:{{minus}} He had [[Little Miss Goldenrod]] for that.<br />
::{{note}} She may have joined the carnival after Joseph's death.<br />
{{minus}} Joseph was a nice person, he wouldn't have threatened Ricky's gang, and besides, why would the carnival need iPods?<br />
{{minus}} Joseph was a nice person, he wouldn't have threatened Ricky's gang.<br />
{{minus}} Why would the carnival need iPods?<br />
:{{note}} It's possible they were smuggled in so that Ricky's gang could sell them at a much lower price.<br/>
{{minus}} Nothing at all indicates that Joseph has ever even been to Ireland.<br />
{{minus}} Nothing at all indicates that Joseph has ever even been to Ireland.<br />
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| Joseph's power was [[empathic manipulation]]. || Samuel claims that Joseph has been emotionally manipulating him, a clear description of the power. || {{plus}} This could explain why he was able to make newcomers like [[Lydia]] feel welcome, and why everyone became uneasy when he died. He had been using his power to calm them but that evaporated when he was killed.<br/>
| Joseph let Samuel kill him. || None || {{plus}} Joseph knew that Samuel is an ambitious man who will try to get as powerful as possible. Joseph knew he had to be stopped, but couldn't do it himself, as he loved his brother so much. So the only way was to let him become powerful enough for others to realize it and kill him.<br />
:{{minus}} And yet, he had Arnold go back in time to abort Samuel at birth.<br />
:{{minus}} [[Danko]] was on his way. All he needed to do was keep Samuel from running until Emile arrived with a compass in one hand and an assault rifle in the other.<br />
::{{note}} Even if Joseph arranged for Danko to come, he didn't necessarily want to have him killed, just taken away. Considering Danko was also taking evolved humans, for different purposes, Samuel would also end up near many evolved humans.<br />
:{{minus}} He knew that Samuel might someday destroy the world. He was a very practical man. Letting Samuel potentially turn into the Heroes equivalent of Galactus seems stupid and irresponsible.<br />
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Latest revision as of 03:25, 20 September 2015

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Joseph had the ability to detect evolved humans. None + Samuel said about Joseph, "He was my compass". The compass can detect evolved humans.
• This is yet to be confirmed.
- It would appear that the compass detects the carnival.

- Joseph wouldn't need Lydia then.

• Joseph wouldn't send Lydia away just because of her power, the carnival is a family.
• Maybe when Joseph was alive, Lydia hadn't developed her ability enough to find evolved humans. First of all, her ability is to sense what others feel.

- Detecting evolved humans would not allow him to render Doyle unconscious.

Joseph was romantically involved with the fortune teller. None + Samuel slapped Edgar for calling her an old hag and wondered "what if Joseph caught [him] talking like that".
- It could be simply because Edgar was being rude to his fellow carny, which Joseph certainly wouldn't have approved.
Joseph is McSorley. None + Joseph is older than Ricky. He is capable of forming a first family that didn't work out.
- There are other characters who are older than Ricky, all of which fit that description.

+ He is old enough to be McSorley's son's father.

- So were lots of other characters.

+ Joseph is a natural leader.

- Every Company founder was a leader.

+ Joseph might have used the money, he made as a mobster to start the carnival.

- He had Little Miss Goldenrod for that.
• She may have joined the carnival after Joseph's death.

- Joseph was a nice person, he wouldn't have threatened Ricky's gang.
- Why would the carnival need iPods?

• It's possible they were smuggled in so that Ricky's gang could sell them at a much lower price.

- Nothing at all indicates that Joseph has ever even been to Ireland.

Joseph let Samuel kill him. None + Joseph knew that Samuel is an ambitious man who will try to get as powerful as possible. Joseph knew he had to be stopped, but couldn't do it himself, as he loved his brother so much. So the only way was to let him become powerful enough for others to realize it and kill him.
- And yet, he had Arnold go back in time to abort Samuel at birth.
- Danko was on his way. All he needed to do was keep Samuel from running until Emile arrived with a compass in one hand and an assault rifle in the other.
• Even if Joseph arranged for Danko to come, he didn't necessarily want to have him killed, just taken away. Considering Danko was also taking evolved humans, for different purposes, Samuel would also end up near many evolved humans.
- He knew that Samuel might someday destroy the world. He was a very practical man. Letting Samuel potentially turn into the Heroes equivalent of Galactus seems stupid and irresponsible.


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