Talk:Isaac's paintings

Painting victim/fan theory

I'm going to throw a theory out there before I change anything, but... the text on this page for "painting claire murdered" states that the victim is Claire, but is it possible that it could actually depict Jackie? Or is there something from other episodes I'm not remembering? (A dead blonde cheerleader killed with Sylar's M.O., and that fits Jackie as well... I'm trying to suss out how time travel/prognostication works on Heroes, so I'm being a bit anal and considering the idea that Peter might not have changed anything at all.) --Drl909 05:52, 21 November 2006 (EST)

• The page needs to be updated... the theory was that the painting depicted Claire, but we now know it depicts Jackie. I'm noticing that the writing on Heroes really isn't that complex -- every other painting in the "set" has come true, so the writers probably intended the painting to be of Jackie. For now, we should change the captions. --Orne 09:05, 21 November 2006 (EST)

Painting Prophecy vs. Realization

I would love to show a T-chart (a 2-column table, for those of you who aren't elementary school teachers) of Isaac's paintings and a picture of the scene in which it was realized. For instance, something like this:

Isaac's Painting	Realization

It's rough, but you get the point ... So my questions: Any thoughts on how to best present this? Any ideas where a table like this should go? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:31, 1 December 2006 (EST)

• Probably in place of the gallery. Even if we thumbnail them, the page will be huge, but it will be awesome looking.--Hardvice (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2006 (EST)
  • I agree, it'd be cool-looking, but I'd hate to get rid of the gallery ... no easy way to do it, right? ... How do I make all the pics the same size? Do I do 300px or something? (Sorry, feeble brain here!) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2006 (EST)
    • Therein lies the problem. You can specify a maximum width and height, but outside of a gallery, it's really hard to get them all the same size. But a gallery is hardcoded to be 4 images wide. The other problem with specifying a width is you have to keep it low or the page will render badly at low res ... thumb takes care of that by obeying a user's preference, but thumb only cares about width. If you don't want to replace the gallery, I'd suggest a separate page, but I have no idea what to call it. Isaac's predictions?--Hardvice (talk) 02:04, 2 December 2006 (EST)
    • The other (somewhat yucky) possibility is to create separate versions of all the images that are resized/cropped to match. That would look the best and give you the best control. Lots of work, though, and lots of more-or-less redundant images.--Hardvice (talk) 02:06, 2 December 2006 (EST)
      • Thanks for your advice/expertise, Dave - you're a huge help. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about d/l-ing the pictures, resizing/cropping them manually, and then uploading them. It looks like about a dozen pictures altogether (unless Isaac disrupts my life by painting more). I wouldn't mind terribly doing that next week. (Hey, good project for the break, right?). As for another page? Sure, I don't think it hurts. It's maybe a little redundant ... I wonder if the topic of prophecy fulfillment will be explored more in the series, especially in lieu of 6MA's infant theory that events cannont be changed. Who knows? ... Anyway, no conclusive decisions - just much verbosity and logorrhoea. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2006 (EST)

New Gallery

Okay, I updated the gallery to show Isaac's prophecies being fulfilled. I think it's a cool concept, even though the gallery looks a little rough right now. Many of the pictures needed to be reformatted/resized so they look pretty. I tried to keep as much of the original text as possible. We need some images that I know are out there, if someone could be kind enough as to grab some of the following screen caps:

• Peter Petrelli and Simone Deveaux share a kiss in the rain.
• On Homecoming night, Sylar chases Claire through her high school halls.
• Audrey stands in front of a car that is destroyed by Ted as he escapes from FBI custody.
• Peter lays motionless on the ground after his encounter with Sylar.

And if anybody can find these, too:

• The suicide bombing in Israel
• Zach and Claire walking in the halls
• A better pic of Claire looking frightened

Another issue: some of Isaac's paintings won't be "fulfilled" (some of the symbol paintings, the sketch of the yellow pom pom girl, the unfinished menacing shadow pic, the assembled paintings). Should these go in a gallery, and call the new table "Prophecies/Fullfillments" or something? And finally, is this the best order for the paintings/pictures? I simply kept them in the same order the gallery had. They seem to be somewhat chronological, but not entirely. Any thoughts? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2006 (EST)

• I can grab the screencaps, but if we're going to resize the images to make things match up, we should definitely do a separate page. I think we should keep the gallery showing all the full-res pictures, so people can follow the links to the fullsize versions, and then the prophecy page can use the cropped versions. They can link to one another, and that way we can exclude paintings we either haven't seen fulfilled or are unlikely to see fulfilled (like the symbol paintings) from the prophecy page.--Hardvice (talk) 02:43, 2 December 2006 (EST)
  • Great! I hadn't thought of losing the full-version pics, so you're absolutely right about having a new page. Plus, his paintings are one thing, the idea of prophecy or predicting the future is another. Related, but different (like my dad and me) ... And yes, that givs us more flexibility with the layout and content. Fantastic. Thanks so much - your advice and help are always appreciated, Dave. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:53, 2 December 2006 (EST)
    • Okay, they're up. I rather arbitrarily chose 300x200 pixels. I stuck 'em all in a new category, Category:Isaac's paintings, for simplicity's sake. We should move the others in with 'em. Even at 300px wide, we should probably thumbnail them so users at really low screen res can still make them fit.--Hardvice (talk) 03:45, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Isaac's first painting

Should we also add a shot of Isaac's first painting (that we know of) that foretells the future? The one he drew in the graphic novel Isaac's First Time showing the woman getting hit by a bus. If so, anyone got a shot of it? (Admin 13:50, 11 December 2006 (EST))

• It's the image for the Graphic Novel (more or less). I'll get a clearer one for Isaac's paintings, as well as shots sized for Prophecy.--Hardvice (talk) 14:02, 11 December 2006 (EST)
  • Excellent, thanks. We're getting a lot of hits on the paintings and prophecies pages today and I noticed it came up on the 9th Wonders message board that we were missing it. (Admin 14:04, 11 December 2006 (EST))
    • Thanks Hardvice & Admin... I want to scour the graphic novels for pics that show examples of power usage, and then include them on each power page's gallery. Isaac's first painting is a big one, of course. I'm not too worried about the size for any of the pics, except for that one, simply because all the prophecy images are specified, and I'm not too adept at sizing. Thanks for grabbing that one for me! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:28, 11 December 2006 (EST)
      • The more paintings the better. How about this one from Fallout? --Joshtek 10:07, 6 January 2007 (EST)
        • Good find! I think this pic would be best on Hiro and the Dinosaur since the finished pic is already in the gallery. I'll upload it soon. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:49, 6 January 2007 (EST)
          • I could be wrong, but as far as I can tell it actually cuts too soon for you to see the sketch version in the episode. --Joshtek 11:00, 6 January 2007 (EST)

White Space

There is so much white space on this page. Is there a way to fix it without having the gallery run into the side bar? Ideas? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2007 (EST)

• We could move the sections after the gallery up ahead of it. It's non-standard, but it would help a lot.--Hardvice (talk) 04:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)
  • Yeah, let's try that. I don't know exactly how to do that, um, so if, um, somebody could, you know, um, take care of that for me, um, thanks! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:20, 9 January 2007 (EST)
    • Good move on bringing the "See Also" section up - hadn't thought of that. - Stupid me. I totally misunderstood Hardvice's original comment. Yes, I know how to move a section. And yes, my brain is that pitiful. :) RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:34, 9 January 2007 (EST)
      • I figured that  :) Actually, I just did some testing. If you use the __TOC__ keyword to explicitly trigger a Table of Contents, it will force the TOC to appear wherever you put that keyword in the article -AND- it does not do a <br clear=all> in front of it. It removes some of the whitespace issue, but there's still a lot of empty page to me. If you're ok with it, maybe we can leave the See Also section where it is. --Orne 13:58, 9 January 2007 (EST)