Talk:List of evolved humans

David Berman(Actor) - Brian Davis(Character)

OK...The list should only contain an entry for Brian Davis (the Character), not the actor David Berman who portrayed him. Right? I didn't remove the 'David Berman' row....because there was alot of activity on it, but I think his row (David Berman) should be removed. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 17:33, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• The name "David Berman" actually appears on the list. --Ted C 17:33, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Missed that one....that has got to be a typo/error. But if it's on the list, it should remain. Should me make any notation on David Berman pointing to the Brian Davis row stating that this is most-likely an error? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I'm guessing it's probably less an error and more an easter egg. Amid Halebi is on there, too, and it's unlikely they'd reuse his character since they've basically made him into Ted.--Hardvice (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2007 (EST)

It's already noted here. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Should we make a link from the evolved human list row to the triva elements so that others will catch this? I sure missed it. Just a thought. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 18:03, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Good call!--Hardvice (talk) 18:09, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• I found a high-def screen-cap on Brian Davis from another Heroes website http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/merman13/Entertainment/Heroes/heros-files10-03.jpg, that shows specific address details, and also lists his powers as "Psychic Powers" and "Drug Induced Hallucination". I would like to add this photo to the other gallery photos on Brian's page, but wasn't sure of the procedure of doing so, since this is a screen-cap pic that is sited via photobucket. Can we cross-link, or do we have to upload it to our wiki to be able to show it; and if so, is it compatible with the rules of screen-cap pics? (asking before doing anything because I'm just not clear.) --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11:30, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Sanjong/Sanjonp Iher

I didn't make a notation of this in the list when I updated it earlier today to take into consideration the addition info given on some of the people from Chandra's enhanced Map. However, I wanted to mention it here.

Just like the list denotes the different spellings between Pan-Green and Pam-Green between the Computer List and the Map, likewise, Iher's first name is spelled Sanjong on the list and most references, but as Sanjonp on the map.

Something to consider, I don't care either way, but it is a notable difference. HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• Probably best for a note on Sanjog Iyer, since the interactive map isn't really a canon source.--Hardvice (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Shanti

I think we're making a big leap calling Shanti Suresh an evolved human. Her father said she had a "genetic anomaly" that started him on his research, but that doesn't mean she had whatever mutation results in superhuman powers. She may have had a well-known genetic disorder that lead to her death. We definitely don't know enough about her to list her as an evolved human. --Ted C 15:55, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Inclusion of Shanti doesn't cause any harm at this point.

We have more info on her specific to a 'genetic anomoly' that most people on the computer list.

Chandra himself quoted her as having a 1) 'genetic anomoly' and 2) another reference says she was 'special' and 3) Chandra goes as far as saying "My hope is that no one will suffer as she did.", which goes about as close to saying she had some type of power that brought about her death, without specifically saying what it was. If she didn't have a true power, and her death was simply inert, then none of those 3 points would be worth noting.

At least by including her in the list with the power listed as 'genetic anomoly' it is recorded. If the show ever returns to expand on her past, and theres a good chance it will with the continued influence of Chandra, Mohinder, and Sanjong, this entry isn't without merit.--HiroSynoSlayer

However, it's completely unsupported at this time. We have to treat as canon only what's aired, and to date, all we know is that she had a "genetic anomaly". That could be Down's syndrome for all we know. Including Shanti on a list of evolved humans, when we define "evolved humans" as those with superpowers, is pure speculation.--Hardvice (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2007 (EST)

"Genetic anomaly" is not a power, nor is being "special". So far, there is no evidence that Shanti was an evolved human. So far, all we know is that she had some kind of genetic mutation or abnormality that was linked to her death. As I said, it could have been a well-known genetic disorder. Her condition was important because it was the motivation for Chandra's genetic research, but there is no indication that it was related to the genetic condition that creates superpowers. --Ted C 16:18, 24 January 2007 (EST)

It's not pure speculation....the show's premise is that folks on it with 'genetic anomolies' have powers....it isn't a show about gentic anomolied Down's syndrome people.

Name any example from the show where other people are identified with 'genetic anomolies' of any kind that isn't related to a power.

Shanti's power is simple not-yet stated, like many other folks on the lists, journals, map, etc.

Take it out if you want to be adamant about it, but there is enough reasonable evidence given for her inclusion. -- HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:24, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Shanti has not exhibited powers and is not an evolved human, though she did have a genetic anomoly. Micah was not considered an EH until after he exhibited his powers. Claire would not have been an evolved human before she exhibited her powers either. If we put Shanti on the list, we may as well speculate that Monty and Simon Petrelli belong on the list because they're the sons and nephews of evolved humans. It's all speculation. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2007 (EST)

The possibility that Shanti was an evolved human is noted on the appropriate character page. That's all the evidence warrants at this time. --Ted C 16:32, 24 January 2007 (EST)

There's a difference between something being "obvious" and something being "confirmed". We opt for the latter. For example, Eden was obviously shady, but it wasn't confirmed that she was a plant until she was seen talking to Mr. Bennet. Yes, Shanti probably has powers. Everything that's been said about her indicates that it's quite likely that she had powers. But it is in no way confirmed that she had powers, and thus she doesn't belong.--Hardvice (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2007 (EST)

OK....I'll agree on Shanti, but with the criteria you guys are giving which is slanted at the 'confirmed' not 'probability...shouldn't Nikki be removed and only Jessica remain? Only Jessica has exhibited confirmed powers, right? (Or at least remove the double rows for each, and concatonate them into Nikki/Jessica as one row?) -- HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:43, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I've been harping on that very point for two days. --Ted C 16:43, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Niki's on the list. Whether that's a failing of the list or not, it's enough to qualify everyone else.--Hardvice (talk) 16:44, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Misreading problem on my part. In any case, Niki/Jessica is a single evolved human, despite having two personalities that don't have equal access to the power. The should arguably be on the same line, though. --Ted C 16:46, 24 January 2007 (EST)

The only reason I'd lean towards keeping them separate is that we do have separate sources for including them. Niki's on the list, but has no confirmed powers. Jessica's not on the list, but has confirmed powers. If we can note that clearly, then they should be combined. Otherwise, they should be left separate.--Hardvice (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Good point, combined would be more clear. HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:53, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Combination attempted. --Ted C 16:57, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Niki

I went ahead and changed Niki's power to "Unknown" since we've seen no confirmed instances of her using enhanced strength.--Hardvice (talk) 20:08, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Yeah, I struggled with that one. I completely agree with you - I just decided to go ahead with what's already listed on her page. Thanks for the change. ... I thought about making her power "Alter Ego", just to see if I could get you riled up. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:12, 22 January 2007 (EST)

You know me all too well.--Hardvice (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Moot point, now, I guess, eh? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:15, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Distinguish Between Show, Map, and List

I think we need to somehow distinguish between names on this list. It looks odd to have 23 names in the category, and then a million and one names on this table. I suggest we color code the names in a very basic way. Perhaps black for those that are in the episodes/GNs (Charlie, Claire, David Berman, etc.), green for those names that come from the list (Felipe, Abu, etc.), and blue for those that come from NBC's map (Byron, Penkala, etc.) A person not familiar with the list, or especially with the 360 map, can be very confused coming to this page. "Who the heck is Felipe?" "What is a temptress?" (especially since there's no article on them, and no other easily attainable information). Any thoughts? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:20, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• Something is defiantly needed, the colors could work, but what about the links and those who are from multiple places? Another thing that could be added is a source column. --Level 14:33, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Hopefully the new 'source' column I added today, along with the legend that denotes where (List, Map, Journal, Episode, G.N., etc...) the info is derived from, will be sufficient. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 17:09, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Pam/Pan Green

On the list Pam Green is not marked as Deceased, on the Map Pan Green is. Should we show that her death is non cannon? I had (Deceased?) but it was removed. -Level 17:46, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• Tough call. We know the list seen on the show has errors (see David Berman), and we know that a lot of the things on the NBC website are buggy or simply incorrect (sticky placement). I think leave it as it is in the show (not dead yet) until we see otherwise, unless you wish to tag it with an * or something. --Orne 09:44, 25 January 2007 (EST)
  • Incidentally, I can't seem to find a good screenshot where it actually says "Pam"... it could be that we anglocized the name here on HeroesWiki. The one we have that was used as the source for the list clips the name in half, so it could be a n or m. --Orne 11:13, 25 January 2007 (EST)
    • Image:The_List2.jpg compare the last letter in "Pam" to the last letter in "Green" and others like "Ethan Kim", you may need to zoom in but they are different. -Level 11:37, 25 January 2007 (EST)
  • I still don't think David Berman and Amid Halebi are errors. It seems odd that they'd honor such a small-part actor in such a way, but maybe he's good friends with somebody on the production. And even if it is in error, we've pretty consistently gone with erroneous broadcast info as canon (the LVPD, U of Chennai instead of U of Madras, etc.) I'd definitely consider the list as broadcast as canon, and the map as non-canon, and right now Pam's article does that: it notes "Pan" as a misspelling and her death as unconfirmed.--Hardvice (talk) 12:05, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Valcek... Valcan

• Something is telling me that this is another map slip up. Both are Michelle Val___'s, and the Valcan has no information... any thoughts? --Riddler 14:07, 25 January 2007 (EST)
  • AHAHA, I didn't realize you JUST did that.

Clairvoyance

I noticed "Clairvoyance" leads to info on Precognition. However, considering the two powers are given a different name and multiple heroes already seem to possess some form of Precognition, it stands to reason that Clairvoyance isn't Precognition, but is instead a different (though, perhaps, similar) power. Rather than a precognitive ability, Clairvoyance probably refers to remote viewing -- seeing far-away places or events at the time they're happening, as opposed to future/past events.

• Good point. We should change that.--Hardvice (talk) 14:36, 25 January 2007 (EST)
  • Yeah, I put that link in there way before the interactive map ever came out. It's pretty obvious that now, the 2 powers are somehow different and shouldn't be linked together. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:57, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Unnamed 3 (male)

Where is the information about "Unnamed 3 (male)" coming from? (Yes, I know it's from the journal - I didn't see anything on that page about a male with regenerative powers. Do we have a screencap, or a link or something?) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:36, 25 January 2007 (EST)

• Ryan, I have trying to track the source for this one down. I'm expecting it to come from a high-def capture, and it is from episode 1x7. It is probably gathered from a high-def capture of the same journal page picture of the Connecticutt woman. http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Chandras_journal_connecticut.jpg Notice that the CT Woman's info is listed on the right-hand page, but if you zoom in the conclusion of the person from the left-hand page, you can make out even without high-def, that it says, "potential power Tissue Regeneration" in the last line. Without hi-def, at least with my eyes, the top line is too blurring; but it very well may contain a 'he/him' personal pronoun that is causing the identity to be derived as male. I'll keep looking to see if there is a clearer screen-cap, or source for this guy. At this point, the CT Woman's page is the only source-point. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09:37, 26 January 2007 (EST)

• I just noticed the same left-hand page is shown a little clearer on the Botswana woman's pic too. Evidently the pages were being thumbed through fairly fast, and the left-hand page had not been convered up yet as the right-hand pages switched. Both left-hand pages look identical. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09:42, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Potentiallys

Anytime there is a high-likelihood because of the information available, even if it isn't yet shown or confirmed, I think adding (Potentially) to a suspected power might be good for this list. (since 'powers' is its emphasis)

Since some of the folks have been given parenthetical (potentially) notes because of their 'yet-to-be-shown' status, should we also consider adding the "Freezing (potentially)" to the power of James Walker?

He is the only other person that comes to mind at this stage of the shows development.

Since he is the only person to-date to potentially be associated with this power, it might should be noted. Yes, one could argue that Sylar or Molly 'froze' him, but they haven't exhibited a freeze power, and since Sylar took James' brain, it is most 'potentially' that James had the 'freeze' power and that is why Sylar scalped him.

By putting the Freeze (potentially) suffix on him, it would be more for documentative purposes, and not a definate. Just a thought. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09:03, 26 January 2007 (EST)

It's a great thought, but read this interview first. The writers revealed that it was Sylar who froze the FBI agent.

Some will want to put this in as another one of Sylar's gained powers. But it's not canon, so we should hold off until we learn more. (I get the sense that we're going to learn more about Molly and more about that freezing power later.) For now, I'll put it in the appropriate notes. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:55, 26 January 2007 (EST)

• Thanks for the interview link on 'Freeze'. Speaking of Molly, I realize she has not been confirmed with a power, but I would speculate that if she returns, and is found with a power, it will be a power like shadow-cat, or phasing. Notice in the seen where they are first found, and the dad is frozen and the mom is staked, that Molly is hiding behind the closet door...but a vase-covered table is blocking the door from the outside. Yes, the parent's could have hid her, then put the table infront of the door, OR---she simple phased into the closet to hide. Sylar wants here for some specific reason...just my hunch. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10:10, 26 January 2007 (EST)