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{{power names|1|eos=Matt says that Ando can supercharge the powers of others, and Hiro calls Ando a "super-charger" {{epp|313}}, {{epp|314}}}}
{{power names|1|eos=Matt says that Ando can supercharge the powers of others, and Hiro calls Ando a "super-charger" {{epp|313}}, {{epp|314}}}}
==Lightning?==


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Is the only reason why people aren't calling it lightning, is because it's red? Because it looks self-explanatory to me. What else could it be? It looks EXACTLY like Elle's power only it's red and not blue white. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 10:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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* I agree, Ando's ability IS lightning. If we can say that Meredith and Flint both have pryokinesis, even though her's is natural colored and his is blue, then we should put Ando's ability under lightning. - [[User:FlyingMan|FlyingMan]] 12:39, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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* We haven't got any information about this power. We can't be sure that it is "Lightning", so, I thin that "Ando's ability" is better. - [[User:Henryp|Henryp]] 19:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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** There's really nothing that distinguishes Ando's power from lightning except color, and that's hardly a huge distinction. Unless we learn that his power has some more distinctive properties, I don't see why this requires its own page. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 13:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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***We're not going to call it "Lightning" yet because there's no definitive evidence that it is the same or even related to that ability. Flint's Pyrokinesis is labeled Pyrokinesis based on his assignment tracker and because it is distinctly similar to Meredith's example of the ability. Ando's ability may not be electricity-based or it may function entirely differently from Lightning. Plus, if people search for Ando's ability to look for new info on it, it'll bring them here, where all the definitive info we have on the power is.--[[User:Paronine|Paronine]] 13:54, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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**** It did look like lightning to me, but it could also have been some other kind of energy blast, so I'm fine with waiting a little longer to see if we get any more clues to the name.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 14:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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***** I agree that it's Lightning, just colored differently. But there's really no evidence of that within the show. Our evidence for Flint having differently colored Pyrokinesis is that his AT says he has it and his power has thus far been very similar to Meredith's. Not so with Ando's ability. When some evidence appears canonically showing the two abilities to be related, then I'm sure we'll all be more than happy to move this on over to the Lightning page.--[[User:Paronine|Paronine]] 14:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
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****** I believe it's Lighting because of the way it is coming out of his hand and because of the noise it makes. It sound like the noise Elle's does as seen on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wuVbvoLBj4
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******* It is in fact lightning, a different kind, from Elle's lightning, but it is lightning, and it should be renamed to that (maybe in a seperate section, from Elle's ability) until we know exactly what it is. It's not like [[Mohinder's ability]], which we have no idea what's going on to him - I was gonna suggest Enhanced Senses, but when his skin started to peel off I had no idea what to name it with, except "Mohinder's ability", it's not like Ando's (ability which we know a little bit of what's going on).
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******** Apart from the "crackling" seen on Hiro's body upon use of the ability, Ando's power almost looks like more of a "laser" than Elle's lightning power. That being said, I imagine we'll soon have an official reference for calling Ando's power a form of lightning, similar to the Blue Pyrokinesis with Flint. [[User:GabrielPatrelli|GabrielPatrelli]] 16:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

--[[User:ChanPH|ChanPH]] 17:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)YES! LIGHTNING! or SUPERLIGHTNING perhaps!
Guys!
have any idea whats gonna happen if Ando touches NATHAN? what? Teleport too? [since its logically transportaion...TY! ChanPH

==Name change==
*Shouldn't this be called [[Future Ando's ability]]? --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 14:57, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
** Probably a good idea. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:11, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
*** This ability has now been acquired by Ando in the present. -- Signyour Poste

...And now has a name. Thank you very much for that tidbit, Signyour Poste.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 12:44, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

==It's lightning.==
[http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b32560_heroes_are_hiro_ando_going_bad.html] --[[User:Pyramidhead|Pyramidhead]] 18:29, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
*Amen.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 20:19, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
**A definite end to a debate that never should have happened in the first place... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:33, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
*** Unfortunately, no. Commentary from the actors isn't considered reliable. Zachary Quinto once commented that he thought Sylar ate the brains to acquire their powers. The confirmation needs to come from the show or the writers. I'd recommend submitting it to CBR as something like, "Is the ability Future Ando uses to attack Future Hiro lightning or some other type of energy blast?" ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 20:48, 8 October 2008 (EDT))
**** I agree with Admin. Also, imho, this is in the same boat as the Terrorist's ability from the latest graphic novel. Neither should be deleted, but we don't know enough about either to identify them.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:13, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
***** Amen to Admin and Miami Volts, people cant argue that "just because there is a color difference doesn't mean that its a different ability", Flint and Meredith have Pyrokinesis and the color of the fire does not matter, blue fire is simply hotter than red fire... Blue-white lightning is lightning... no matter the circumstances, i have never seen red lightning and you'll have to convince me more that red lightning is also something to do with voltage and current.--[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 11:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
****** I am sorry, but red lightning [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning#Elves does exist]. Well, it's not like a thunderbolt, but it's still an electrical discharge. Also, if you alter the colors of Ando's beam to blue using an image editor program, it certainly looks like Elle's lightning.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 12:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
****** [http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/46442/ Here's another (better?) photo] of real-life red lightning. According to the photographer, the color was caused by a reaction with pollutants.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:53, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
****** Did it ever occur to anyone that the color differences could simply just be for aesthetics? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:33, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
****** And for everyone saying that red lightning doesn't exist... for goodness' sakes, this is '''''Heroes''''' we're talking about... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
*You could always [[Interview talk:Visual effects|ask]] ;).--[[User:Skywalkerrbf|Skywalkerrbf]] 12:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
** Unfortunately, it would really have to be a writer or producer to answer this question.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:08, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
***MV, every source of light in that photo has red tints to it, it could easily have been gradient mapped in photoshop or shotten through an altered lens or glass. (I practically alter images for a living) I'm not doubting red lightning exists at all im just doubting that Ando's ability is really lightning, plus we dont nearly have enough information to jump to the conclusion that its lightning. Based on just looks?! I mean for all we know its a beam that turns people's organs inside out! Don't judge a book by its cover my friends. I say just leave it until we get more information. (and if Hiro goes into explination telling Ando how his future self killed future hiro, i dont think that counts cause he knows as much as we do)--[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 11:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
**** Would we have made a page for "Flint's ability" had Noah never shown Claire his assignment tracker page then? I mean, yeah, it looks totally like fire but we shouldn't base ability names on just looks... Besides, how does [http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Future_dead_hiro.jpg this] NOT look like electricity? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:39, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
****Pbmarcano, I'm still not convinced we know for sure it is red lightning (though that's what it looks like to me), as I mentioned in my topmost comments. With my latter comment, I just wanted to rebuke those who were claiming there was no possibility it was red lightning.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:48, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
*****We still don't know *for sure* that it kills Hiro --''[[User:Matchu|Matchu]]'' 20:27, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
******Consensus? --[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 23:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
*******The naming convention is: "If no non-speculative description is possible", then use the person's name. I think a consensus doesn't do anything because it's still speculation. We have no description from a canon or near-canon source, so everything else is mere speculation. As for the Masi Oka interview, as much as I honor Masi's intelligence, he's not a writer for the show. His description of an ability may not coincide with the writing/creative staff of the show. Plus, it's an interview with E!, so he's pandering to <s>idiots</s> potentially less-knowledgeable readers. --{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 23:35, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
********Personally I think it's speculation to think it's not lightning. The fact it looks like lightning beyond the fact it's red should be enough to call it lightning. I don't know where it doesn't look like lightning comes from. Ignoring the color for a moment, how is it unlike lightning? I hope I asked that right. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 01:45, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

* Personally, I don't see why we're using "6. Possessor's name" when Masi Oka's interview should count as "3. Secondary Sources - Interviews." Sure, it's not a writer being interviewed, but I don't see why we don't use the interview with Masi Oka until we receive more information on it. [[User:TheEvilNoob|TheEvilNoob]] 15:30, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
** Agreed. Surely Masi's comments would come under "Interview" being that they were said...during an interview. - [[User:Goldenboy|Goldenboy]] 11:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

*I think its electricity, but there are a few abilities involving electricity, or maybe this is a completely new one.--[[User:Dandabest|Dandabest]] ([[User talk:Dandabest|talk]]) 12:56, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

*I think its a bit more than that.--[[User:G ron1990|G ron1990]] ([[User talk:G ron1990|talk]]) 03:50, 23 December 2008 (EST)

== There is no info on Ando's ability! ==

We don't even know if it killed Hiro. For all we know it could some kind of coma-inducing ray. I say that people should hold off on the debates until there's a canonical reason to call it lightning or otherwise. I haven't been on this site for that long and I've already figured out how the naming system here works; if it's canon, they name it so, if it's not, it remains debatable. Seeing as the lightning debate is so large why not just wait and see??? - [[User:FlamingTomDude|FlamingTomDude]] 12:46, October 8th 2008 (EDT)


==Energy Blast==
Seems a pretty good name to me. wanna change? --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 17:27, 2 November 2008 (EST)
:Too speculative right now. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:30, 2 November 2008 (EST)

==So not even the writers?==

I know it could construed they were being sarcastic but the writer(s) did call it Red Lightning in the most recent CBR Interview--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 00:53, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*Winner is Dman. Lightning is now canon. =]--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 01:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**We'll probably never even see this ability again, but I'm sure they were going for electricity and just made it red to be different. There's no point having a page "Future Ando's ability". I say we add to the Lightning page, that in a possible future Ando had an ability like this, but red. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:29, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Time to combine articles. ==

[http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18765 Red Lightning]. Anyone opposed?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 12:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:No. To quote Sylar... "I've been waiting a long time for this." <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:39, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*I just think we should be consistent, regardless of color. If we have one [[Pyrokinesis]] article, (whether orange/Meredith or blue/Flint), we should be consistent with [[Lightning]] regardless of the color. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 11/11/2008 12:53 (EST)</small>
**I don't think Riddler was suggesting we create a page for Red lightning. I think he was just quoting the interview. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:55, 11 November 2008 (EST)
** I'm opposed. First, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite seem like they are joking, as is their ''m.o.'' They also talk about "Earthquake guy" right before. They never say that that's the name of Ando's power, or that it's a power at all. They say (again, probably jokingly) that that's the connection between everyone having powers and the world ending. If we knew that F_Ando's power was lightning, I would have no problem combining the articles. But until then, I don't think we should. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:57, 11 November 2008 (EST)
*** See I knew someone would think the writers were joking. But I should point out that they were joking about the power that caused the earth to be destroyed. And how it wasn't earthquake guy but red lightning. I mean I don't see why they would be joking in the powers name, unless it was to mock people who thought it was "red" lightning. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 13:24, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**** The way I read it, was that they were joking about both, but explicitly naming the latter in the process. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 13:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**** I agree. We now have two sources close to the show calling it red lightning (Masi and Aron/Joe). And while Aron and Joe may not have been said it directly, they were obviously referring to FAndo's ability. At this point it seems pretty obvious that this power is indeed lightning. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 13:55, 11 November 2008 (EST)
** You gotta understand that when they create powers, they don't have a name for them. They just say, "make it look like lightning, oh and red!". They don't think, 'is that even possible' - this is Heroes! Look at Angela's ability. They confirmed that her's was the ability Peter used to see Charles in the past! She kinda of has 2 abilities. So yes I'm sure they were going for lightning whether or not they were joking there. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 18:51, 11 November 2008 (EST)
* There is too much evidence that supports Red Lighting than something else. I think we should change it and if we get a name or someone else using the power and it being something other than red lighting we can change it then.
** I agree. Is there an admin around? Can we change this article? Please... [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 21:16, 12 November 2008 (EST)
*** Are we going to make a different page for that power or are we going to consider it lightning? Red lightning is rare, but it is occurs naturally. Putting things at [[Lightning]] or creating a new power page? I think the info should be put in Lightning. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 08:28, 13 November 2008 (EST)
**** I agree. [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 11:06, 13 November 2008 (EST)
***** I don't agree. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:16, 13 November 2008 (EST)
****** ... Damn. What about a separate page called Red Lightning or something similar? I'm so sick of "FAndo's ability". [[User:Seb.gwirionyn|Seb.gwirionyn]] 11:19, 13 November 2008 (EST)
****** Why don't you agree? :/ Like the mystery poster said, there's just too much evidence that says that it's lightning... and considering there's just as much evidence pointing to lightning as there is for Future Ando's ability being synthetic (perhaps even more so), and that the latter has been noted as such on Future Ando's page, then I really think we should make the merge. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 12:30, 13 November 2008 (EST)
****** It's clearly lightning, and here we have it still as "Future Ando's Ability." But then we have the same issue with "Shattering" where its just as speculative, and yet we named it. So just to be clear, where do we draw the line? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 12:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
****** What evidence do you have that's it's not lightning? A lightning blot is white, the color that is given off is caused by the surrounding environment. It can appear red. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 20:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
******* There is no evidence that it's not lightning, just as there is no evidence that it ''is'' lightning. There are good suggestions that it is, and I'd be willing to bet that it is, but that's still doesn't mean that it is. It's speculation to say that Elle and Future Ando have the same power. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:09, 13 November 2008 (EST)
******** What do you mean there's no evidence that it is lightning? On the contrary, there's a ''lot'' of evidence. Whether or not the evidence is conclusive is debatable, but there's ''definitely'' evidence pointing towards lightning. Besides visual and sound effects, the fact that the writers made a reference to "red lightning," which imho is most likely referring to the only thing in the ''Heroes'' universe at this moment that fits that description, Future Ando's ability, rather than a completely different element that is yet to be introduced. I really think that at this point, it's speculative to think it's ''not'' lightning. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)
********* Good, I agree it's speculative to think it's not lightning, just as it's speculative to think that it is. We simply don't know what it is, which is why "Future Ando's ability" is probably the best name--it doesn't assume that is is lightning and it doesn't assume that it's not lightning. Until we know for sure, we shouldn't speculate one way or the other. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:51, 14 November 2008 (EST)
**********I'm gonna have to go with Ryan on this one. Really, we know next to nothing about this power. For all we know, it could be some kind of red death ray beam. The only thing we can say for sure is that it is red energy. No matter how close it looks to lightning, we have no definite confirmation. [[User:Psilaq Remake|Psilaq Remake]] 18:31, 17 November 2008 (EST)
**** Somehow this power is starting to look to me like one of those spells in Harry Potter. They have one that makes red sparks that tortures a person, not kill them. That's what this could be, and Hiro could have been knocked unconscious not dead. Right now there are a number of things pointing to it not being lightning that are just as speculative as saying it is lightning, so I agree with Ryan as well. -- [[User:FlamingTomDude|FlamingTomDude]] 21:26, 17 November 2008 (EST)
* I just don't understand how we can't name it when we have two separate sources for it. Though actor interviews aren't considered useful here, they do provide some insight, and when the writers even acknowledge it, it should be solid.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 21:21, 20 November 2008 (EST)
To me, it looks more like "Crimson Lightning," Myotismon's ability in Digimon. You can see it at 50 seconds into this video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqRJR8Q9M-Y Crimson Lightning] Either way I think that's a much better sounding name than "Red Lightning," it's accurate, and it seems to better fall under priority rule four. The phrase "crimson lightning" has been seen in other fictional works too, but in a descriptive sense (for instance, referring to The Flash).
* That's speculative, as it hasn't been referred to anywhere. Red lightning has two sources.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 12:46, 21 November 2008 (EST)
* If we do finally rename this article, it's not going to be red lightning. Nobody's volleying for it to be changed to "red lightning," just "lightning." Color should not be used to distinguish by name two varieties of the same ability. We're not calling Flint's ability blue pyrokinesis, are we? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:30, 4 December 2008 (EST)
** Oh, no kidding. Sorry if my comment made it seem that's what I meant. Red ''Lightning'' has two sources, and thus we should use Lightning.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:49, 4 December 2008 (EST)
*** Oh no, I actually wasn't talking to you. xD I guess I bulleted my comment too far. I was actually talking to that mystery poster. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:53, 4 December 2008 (EST)
Alright. I concede defeat. >_> <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:46, 15 December 2008 (EST)

==Electromagnetic Radiation.==
Ando's ability could be this, A Beam of electromagnetic radiation in a red frequency.
Does not cause heat, but could deliver tremendous concussive force. - Carlos A.k.A [[User:OmniScience|OmniScience]]
*I think your right because it seems more like a force beam like a TK or [[Forcefield projection|force field]] effect than something like [[Elle]]'s [[lightning]]. The only thing is it doesn't account for the "supercharging" aspect of his ability(unless electromagnetic radiation fuels their powers). I hope we continue to see examples of this ability, [[Ando]] has always been one of my favorite charters.--[[User:Sylar Fan09|Sylar Fan09]] 12:28, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

==Red Lightning==
I think that red lightning decribes the ability more then "lightning".--[[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 12:19, 3 December 2008 (EST)Gabriel Bishop
:Since when do we separate different kinds of the same ability by color? No, if it's lightning, then it'll be changed to lightning. The "red" is extremely extraneous. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:31, 4 December 2008 (EST)

oh i understand like flint's Pyrokinesis is blue while meredith's is orange.maybe like flints fire is hotter maybe red lightning has more currents. [[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 11:08, 6 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop

Maybe, some upper atmosphere lightnings generate more electricity and are red, but I read elsewhere that the red color has to do with the composition of the air at high altitudes and the humidity. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:13, 6 December 2008 (EST)

oh kk :)[[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 13:51, 6 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop
* Boy am I glad we didn't move this to "lightning" or "red lightning" or "electric manipulation" or anything like that. Wow, who knew! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:12, 15 December 2008 (EST)

== In the coming episodes... ==

*With a bit of luck, we will get some clarification on this in the next few episodes. It seems that [[Ando]] is going to be off to [[Pinehearst]]. So hopefully, with Mohinder on-hand, we might get an actual name.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 04:34, 11 December 2008 (EST)



== This be the same as.. ==
*Pauline Hawkin's ability? --[[User:DarkPhoenix|DarkPhoenix]] 21:44, 15 December 2008 (EST)
**I realized that JUST after I moved it. It certainly has the same effects. Maybe merge [[ability augmentation]] into this page, since it's a canon name? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:07, 15 December 2008 (EST)
**Someone's created [[Amplification]] - {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 22:11, 15 December 2008 (EST)
***So, are we using this, or [[Ability augmentation]]? I'd prefer augmentation. - {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 22:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)
****Supercharger is canon. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 22:23, 15 December 2008 (EST)
**** Ability augmentation is not accurate. Augment means to add to. If anything it'd be more like "ability amplification". However since "supercharger" is currently a canonical term that was used when talking about it "ability supercharger" is probably the best term for now barring anything more explicit. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:39, 15 December 2008 (EST))
***** Ability ''supercharg'''ing'''''. Ando is a supercharger. He can supercharge, and when he does so, he is supercharging. This isn't labeled like "Puppet master", so we can use the correct wording.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 23:49, 15 December 2008 (EST)
****** I agree with Riddler, they didn't explicitly name the ability as "ability supercharger" so I don't see why we can't use the general form, "ability supercharging", instead.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:58, 15 December 2008 (EST)
I think supercharging sounds slang and unofficial, like calling [[Daphne]]'s ability "fast running". I personally think something like "ability enhancement", "ability extension", "ability amplification" , "ability intensifcation", or even "ability manipulation" would sound better. - {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 00:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)
* I like Ability Supercharger or Supercharging, and it's used in canon. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 00:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*Lame name, damn canon. --''[[User:Matchu|Matchu]]'' 00:58, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**Again, it's a ''description'', not a name. Just like Daphne calls herself a "speedster", Ando is called a "supercharger". And we don't call Daphne's power "speeding" or "speedstering" or anything. A MUCH better name would be "ability amplification". --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 09:29, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*** Yeah--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 12:57, 16 December 2008 (EST)
****This Wiki's supposed to be at least a little professional, it was named Ability Augementaion in the first place, leave it at that. Supercharging sounds misunderstandable and really cheesy, Matt Parkman never calls his ability Telepathy so why are we not doing the same and proffestionally naming Ando's Abilty?
*****It's professional in that we follow a strict naming convention. But honestly, is supercharging that bad? I really don't have any problem with it at all. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 14:37, 19 December 2008 (EST)

== New Image ==
* We need an image of Ando and Daphne teleporting back. That's the best visual representation of this ability. --[[User:DarkPhoenix|DarkPhoenix]] 22:35, 15 December 2008 (EST)
** Agreed. Especially the shot where he completely envelops Daphne. I think that'd be ideal. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:40, 15 December 2008 (EST))
==Ability augmentation==
The page for ability augmentation seems to have been erased and replaced with only a redirect. Would an administrator please restore the history so we can consider what to and not to add to this page? Thanks.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:01, 16 December 2008 (EST)
* <grumble> I'm a little lost. I did what I thought was restoring the page. It said "If you restore the page, all revisions will be restored to the history. If a new page with the same name has been created since the deletion, the restored revisions will appear in the prior history. Also note that restrictions on file revisions are lost upon restoration." Okay. But so now I don't see where the history is. If you start [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Ability_augmentation&diff=prev&oldid=182010 here], you can scroll through and see the diffs for the history, up to [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Ability_augmentation&diff=prev&oldid=250824 the last one before it was made into a redirect]. If anybody can figure out where the history is, I'd really like to know. </grumble> -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 02:22, 16 December 2008 (EST)
** <sigh> Nevermind. It came back after a bit of time. [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Ability_augmentation&action=history Here it is]. Maybe it's a [[help:caching|caching]] thing? Dunno. Oh well! </sigh> -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 02:24, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*** Cool, thanks for the quick restore. Could be caching thing and/or it might just be that the server requires some process time to rebuild the information from the older version of the file.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:31, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**** No problem. In the future, keep in mind that it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to check every edit to the wiki. I gave up somewhere around ''[[Five Years Gone]]'', and I gave up scrolling through ever edit summary on the recent changes some time this season. If there's something you'd like restored or deleted, feel free to drop me a note on my talk page. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 02:45, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**** User:Shadowulf1 09:27, 16 December 2008 (EST) why was this ability changed from ability augmentation; it was a great page, it made sense and all. just because he said he can supercharge abilities, that doesn't mean you should change the name of the power... Don't have to be so literal in ability naming

== So Ando's ability lets him... ==

be the ultimate sidekick? --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 05:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)
* Exactly. :X--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 07:21, 16 December 2008 (EST)
** That's just what I was thinking... but I'd love to see how supercharging effects time-space manipulation --[[User:Punxas|Punxas]] 10:46, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*** I have a theory about that, which might be why Hiro was killed in the future... Ando's ability slows down time for the opponent so much that they just... die? Eh, it's kinda hard to explain, but it makes sense in my head. :P <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:13, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**** I would think that Ando's ability would let Hiro perform inter-dimensional travel... I guess we'll have to wait till about Volume 5 for Hiro to get his powers back to see who's right.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:15, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*He still has little control over his ability, so he might discover something new later on --[[User:Rod|Rod]] 23:12, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*I was thinking the same . would this mean if he used his ability on knox for example (because its my user name , and yes i know he is dead now) would knox then be able to 'smell' the fear of people over the world and would this give him unreal strength.... Would it have an effect on everyones abilitys such as Phasing and Invisibity?? --[[User:Knox_1992|Knox_1992]] 00:06, 18 December 2008 (EST)
**phasing and invisibility have troubled me as well, invisibly and phasing could be the same ability i think, or perhaps they dont need super charging??? it may do nothing, if invisibility is super charged then perhaps he is not made to any of the senses? and phasing supercharged would mean he wouldn't have to concentrate on the object he's phasing though/ be able to phase things out of himself... No with rapid cellular regeneration i don't know what would happen, perhaps a very quick regeneration, e,g an instant lib???? Also just to add, I think Hiro will get his ability back by Ando and Daphne will go back and get Hiro an formula... [[User:Fred1793|Fred1793]] 09:37, 18 December 2008 (EST)

== So this begs the question... ==

1. What does this power do to normal humans?
2. How does this kill Hiro in the exposed future? --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 09:30, 16 December 2008 (EST)

The only offensive use of this ability I can think off is to accelerate someone's metabolism to the point it overworks and the person crashes, but that's highly speculative. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)

User:Shadowulf1 10:17, 16 December 2008 (EST) I don't think it kills Hiro; I think he saw being zapped as being a bad thing, when in fact Ando may have jumpstarted his powers.

Well, Hiro said he saw future Ando kill him, it's possible he was mistaken. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:24, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:1) I'm going to go ahead and just assume that his ability has NO affect on normal humans
:2) It's unlikely that that future exists anymore for several reasons, One is that Ando's power is, as far as we can tell, essentially non offensive. Another is that Future Ando killed future Hiro for the formula, we can assume, which is now gone. Now, I'm not sure exactly how power granting really works, which means we don't know if the future Ando would have gotten a different power than Present Ando, though that seems likely. If Daphne and Matt's assessments on how powers are related to someone's particular personality, it's possible that future Ando had a different agenda, say, the desire to actually be able to do something, or for revenge, and therefore could have obtained a different power tha the present Ando, who just wants to help (hence supercharging). It's also possible that the coloring and effect that is used for Ando's supercharging, was a nod from the producers to his previously shown power, and was possibly used to make some suspense as to whether or not that future MIGHT occur (before the audience realizes that his power is different in actuality). [[User:Pyrotics|Pyrotics]] 10:44, 16 December 2008 (EST)
::And in that future the formula existed and granted people powers. The formula was destroyed by Peter, Flint and Hiro so that can now never be. Also Sylar, if he survived, has gone over to the Dark Side again and I think Peter prevented Claire from joining Pinehearst by his sky-diving adventure in Eras Quad Some or whatever the hell its called. Also Pinehearst has been destroyed so there ''is'' no Pinehearst to join.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 13:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)
* I don't think Future Ando actually killed him. Hiro's his best friend. We didn't get that scene in context. Perhaps he only ''pretended'' to kill him like Hiro pretended to kill him in order to protect him. Also that may have been before the writters decided to make Ando a super-charger.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 12:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*If his ability allows him to increase the adrenaline production inside a person, then he can do what the injected adrenaline did to Meredith and increase powers, and doing so to a normal person would explode their heart and kill them :\ -- [[User:Cael|Cael]] 15:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**i completely agree with cael, couldn't we make the logical jump and assume that "super charging" could affect people in a negative way or maybe he can choose what gets enhanced,like powers or metabolism or heart rate, if thats the case there is plenty of offensive capability for ando, so he very well could have killed future hiro although i don't think thats the case.--[[User:DEADEYE|DEADEYE]] 00:31, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*Matt merely touched Ando and when he recieved a supercharge at first it look like it hurt him as he fell to his knees, now that was only a single touch. In the future Ando blasted Hiro with it, he's had 4 years of experience, so he probably knows what he is capable of and how to overload someone so much that they shutdown (or in the case of his best friend, knock them out)--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 00:51, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*I think we need to remember that now, Hiro has no powers, so he may not have them in the future. So isn't it possible that Ando's ability has to access some fundamental part of a special's DNA? And isn't it possible that if someone did not have this DNA thing, then the supercharging lightning would have nowhere to go, and simply destroy their brain? [[User:JHero|JHero]] 10:45, 30 December 2008 (EST)

== Seperate Future Ando's power from this ==
I definetly think that we should seperate the two. Unless we KNOW (as in, we are shown) that he can use his power in such a way as to "zap" someone and "kill" them (which is not really a logical jump from super charging powers...), Future Ando's ability should not be listed on Ability Supercharging, since the only time it's used, he kills or otherwise harms Hiro, which isn't supercharging... At the very least, the ability he shows is not an accurate depiction of what we understand "Ability Supercharging" to be. Futures change, and the powers someone might get, could possibly change as well (I discussed this earlier). [[User:Pyrotics|Pyrotics]] 11:13, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*The show has made it pretty clear so far that every person has a single latent ability. On top of that, we have no evidence to claim that they are separate powers. We've seen only two uses of it so far, we don't yet know the extent of the ability. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 11:21, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*The show has also implied that a hero's power is not just a product of their genetics, but also their life experiences and disposition (Tracy and Niki are identically genetically, but they manefest radically different abilities.) Its quite possible that because of the different experiences Ando and Future Ando have, their abilities manefest differently. [[User:DeviantScythe|DeviantScythe]] 11:34, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*Considering that they look pretty similar (both red and electrically), and that we don't know that much about them/it, I think we should keep them merged until we have reason to beleive they're seperate abilities. Personally, I wouldn't be suprised if present Ando could do what the future him could do.--[[User:BardinessBoy|BardinessBoy]] 16:22, 16 December 2008 (EST)
*It's the same ability! And he could kill or harm Hiro if he focused a very powerful blast, overcharging him. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 18:44, 16 December 2008 (EST)
**I agree that Ando could overtax a person's brain/heart/body/whatever with this power. Abilities, when overtaxed, have been shown to cause damage to the user: Peter opening the safe in Powerless, Matt breaking through the Haitian's "interference" in the Primatech parking lot, Doyle when fighting for control of Sylar, etc. When Ando touched Matt, he could hear every thought in the city, but it caused him a lot of pain. This could be from the overload of thoughts, Ando's ability, or both. Large amounts of telepathic information have hurt Matt before. When Daphne was supercharged(which, as I type this, seems like a ridiculous way to describe it), she didn't really appear to be in any pain- just surprised. From what we know of the future, we've been led to believe that the ability killed Future Hiro, though many of us are now unsure as to whether he was actually killed. One last note. Hiro's powers have enormous implications and, as such, have shown many dangers and restrictions. When he tried to save Charlie, he was forcibly brought back to the present, his powers weakened. "Fate" seems to have a role in how his power works. If Ando's ability put Space-Time manipulation into overdrive, causing him to try and teleport too far, many times in succession, or to/in a time/way that "Fate" didn't like, it could have just killed him(or fried his brain from overexerting his powers like Matt Neuberg). At this point, we really can't say one way or the other. Both ideas(the ability killed Hiro OR the ability was different because Future Ando was different), as far as we can tell, are completely plausible. There's nothing for it but to wait for the next BTE. *sigh*... ~~[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 18:34, 16 December 2008 (EDT)
***I don't want to think about the paradoxes supercharged space-time manipulation would create. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:48, 16 December 2008 (EST)
****Well i thought that the super charged hiro wouldn't necessarily manipulate time as much as i thought that maybe teleporting would be a better fit for what was going on, like teleporting all of tokyo to safety or the entire population of the world for instance--[[User:DEADEYE|DEADEYE]] 00:17, 17 December 2008 (EST)

== SFX. is it just me... ==
Or did the effects, especially the pink color, used in Dual look totally 1980's?--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 20:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)
* It's not just you. The effect did remind me of ''Tron''. I liked that, though, and am totally looking forward to seeing Ando put his ability to other uses. :)--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 20:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)

== Different Name? ==

Is the name "Ability superchargeing canon? Because it sounds really stupid. I'm not going to lie. Ability Amplification is a better fit IMO. --[[User:BlueRavenBoy|BlueRavenBoy]] 21:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)
:Read the naming convention box at the top. It's canon. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:04, 16 December 2008 (EST)
:* Yeah, it is. I think it was Matt who said that Ando could supercharge people's abilities, or something to that effect. But he definitely said "supercharge" or "supercharging". Hopefully we'll get a better name soon after volume 4 starts.--[[User:BardinessBoy|BardinessBoy]] 21:06, 16 December 2008 (EST)
***I'm going to repeat my earlier sentiments. Daphne calls herself a "speedster", but we never labeled her power as "speeding" or "speedstering" or anything like that. It was a description. They called Ando "some kind of supercharger". That is clearly a description. I feel this does not outweigh basic common sense as to what this power is. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 01:53, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I agree with BlueRavenBoy. I think it should be Ability Amplification. It sounds more official, whereas Ability supercharging sounds like a little kid came up with it. --[[User:Catalyst|Catalyst]] 19:23, 20 January 2009 (EST)

== If Peter... ==

If Peter were to absorb Ando's ability, could he super charge his own abilities? Seeing as it is done by touch, this is an interesting question.
:Possibly, as far as we know, Ando can supercharge any ability, if Peter was to have this, I can see him supercharging himself if necessary, my question is whether he can choose which ability to supercharge, like the Haitian is capable of selecting which ability he dampens, or if he'd supercharge all of them. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 06:54, 18 December 2008 (EST)
*Either way, it doesn't matter because if he increased them all but used only one what difference would it make the real question is if he would be covered in red energy like when Daphne was supercharged.[[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]]
**The basics of their powers, and the immedeat effects seem to be one-in-the-same. However, [[Ando]] can only 'charge' specials for a short time, while [[DL]]'s mother could permanently strengthen or alter abilities. If [[Ando]] were to charge somebody like [[Adam]], he would onyl heal faster, if [[Paulette]] were to charge him, the effects would remain permantent if she wanted it to. So their powers are nothing more than two varations of one another. in another example, if Ando charged [[Knox]] then he would absorb far more ambient emotions than just in the immedat area. If she used it on hime, he would not only be able to absorb more, but also become, if she wanted him to, become a progenitor of fear by mere presence alone. So unless Ando hasn't fully learnt to use his power than their powers are only very similar, like [[Peter]]'s empath abilities and [[Sylar]]'s intuitive strengths. [[User:Halfbreed1426]]
***We don't know if DL's mother ability had permanent effects, it's true that Lewis stayed as a forest, but the nature of his ability would be responsible for that, not Paulette's ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:19, 27 February 2009 (EST)
****Ture, but don't forget that she was killed after strengthening Lewis's set of abilities, plus they from the company used her only once cos they only needed to once, meaning that it is likley that she could permanently alter peoples powers, raising their control index and phisical percentage rates. [[User:Halfbreed1426]]
*****That's completely speculative, there's no way we can say the Company used her only once, that they needed her only once or that her ability has permanent effects, there's barely any information on her, you're just assuming things based on speculations. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:22, 28 February 2009 (EST)

== Ooh... ==

Does anyone remember that BTE where they blamed red lightning for the destruction of Tokyo? Maybe [[Future Ando]] accidentally (or purposely) [[Ability supercharging|activated]] an earthquake/explosion power. [[User:Psilaq Remake|Psilaq Remake]] 21:34, 16 December 2008 (EST)

My point - If Peter touches Ando, he will JUST have the same power and logically could supercharge them... I dont think that its applicable to him self... [sorry]
One thing, Im so POSITIVE if Ando touches Pete... he could max his single-power into multi-powers like before. Thanks -
ChanPH http://cid-b73f82c1f2f2f4eb.spaces.live.com/ --[[User:ChanPH|ChanPH]] 09:58, 20 February 2009 (EST)

== Rename to Ability augmentation ==

*In [http://heroeswiki.com/Dual Dual], Matt notes Ando's ability as a "supercharger/supercharging", and yes, I know that the resources given in the episodes are top of the naming convention. However, I believe that with [http://heroeswiki.com/Sean Sean Fallon's] remark about [http://heroeswiki.com/Paulette_Hawkins Paulette Hawkins'] ability in [http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/jpgs/chapter95_05.jpg page 5 of The Kill Squad, Part 3] outranks Matt's credibility when it comes to naming abilities. I'm sure this principle of credibility was the reasoning for the renaming of Lighting to Electric manipulation as seen [http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Electric_manipulation#Electric_manipulation here]. With that said it would only be reasonable to rename this article from "Ability supercharger" to "Ability augmentation".--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 05:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)
** No Lightning was changed because of the Assignment Tracker which is an official Heroes Evolution site. Matt named the ability "Supercharger" in the episode which is the number 1 source for naming abilities. Graphic Novels are 2nd near-canon sources. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 08:06, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*** He used "supercharger" the way Daphne uses "speedster" (which we have NEVER used as her power's name). I hate to keep bringing it up over and over on this page, but no one has yet to respond to it, so... --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 08:30, 17 December 2008 (EST)
**** Like Arthur said, this is a thorny issue, I get the lightning to electric manipulation argument, the reason was that while in a lower canon level, it was more explicit. The question now is who was more explicit in the naming of the ability, Matt or Sean. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 08:42, 17 December 2008 (EST)
***** Going back to what Ricard said, sure we don't use Daphne's description of "speedster" as the ability but that is because there is a pre-established name for the ability. So "supercharger" is a far more appropriate name for Ando's ability because of the nature of it. [[User:Horrorman|Horrorman]] 08:50, 17 December 2008 (EST)
****** I say that ability augmentation is the correct version because it would explain Ando 'killing' Hiro he probably learned what to augment and instead caused Hiro's ability to stop time to be reversed and Hiro was frozen in time, while time passed outside, causing a death-like state. Supercharging Ted would cause him to create more radiation, but augmenting him would create the same effect, but also allow his control to be enhanced as well. Augmenting would also include the ability to re/de/activate abilities. which is a good way for the writers to give Hiro back his ability.
**The Heroes Evolution sites and the graphic novels are '''equally''' canon. Why they had change Lighting to Electric manipulation was because the Assignment trackers are more credible in the area of understanding abilities than the characters who were calling Elle's powers Lighting. I believe this is the same case, because Sean Fallon would have to have been some sort of expert on some level to do the missions that were handed to him by the company. It's even safe to say that [http://heroeswiki.com/Gael_Cruz Gael] briefed him on that ability, because of what Sean said about Gael wanting The Kill Squad to bring back Paulette in one piece. Either way you look at it Sean has more credibility than Matt when it comes to naming an ability because of his experience at The Company and/or the information that is given to him before each missions.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 13:42, 17 December 2008 (EST)
* We don't really know if Paulette Hawkins ability is the same as Ando's. Did she have red electricity running through the other person? Maybe her power is too augment, where Ando can "Supercharge". 'Augment' mean to make something greater... 'Supercharge', to charge with excessive amount of energy. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 21:19, 17 December 2008 (EST)
**Are you saying there should be a split in the article? --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 21:22, 17 December 2008 (EST)
***Well no, but if there's a clear difference between the two, then I guess, yes... --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 21:25, 17 December 2008 (EST)
****I don't see a reason to split the article, not yet. If we kept Niki and Knox with the same ability despite the differences and arguments for the split, we should also keep this as one ability, it's not like we haven't seen abilities with different effects. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 06:54, 18 December 2008 (EST)
*****Yeah you have a point about Niki and Knox but i still say that Ando's ability is Power Augmentation, not Supercharging. Now still spliting the article is a stupid idea, but If Powermimic is right and Ando's ability is different then Paulette's then I say no name change and to split the article anyone say otherwise? -- [[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]] - [[User talk:EmpathicMimic0|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/EmpathicMimic0]] 17:45, 18 December 2008 (EST)
******I don't think we should split the article yet, but we don't know the full extent to Ando's ability. He has red electricity running through his hands, which he maybe able to shoot. I think it's speculative to say that Paulette has the same ability. Other than 'making someones ability greater', do they have anything else in common? --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 01:55, 19 December 2008 (EST)
*No reason to split. Powermimic, you mention the difference between the effects used for Paulette and Ando. Keep in mind, it may have been the choice of [[Beth Sotelo|the colorist]] of ''[[The Kill Squad, Part 3]]'' to make her hand's yellow. Ted using [[induced radioactivity]] in ''[[Exploding Man (disambig)|How Do You Stop An Exploding Man?]]'' is depicted as green, yet the power is [[Examples of induced radioactivity|depicted]] as from red to orange to yellow across all users on-screen. Also, we dunno how else Paulette has used her ability, we were only shown once. Both Ando and Paulette are KNOWN to amplify the abilities of others, and that's enough to call them the same ability. Until PROVEN that Paulette cannot do what F--Ando did, leave it alone. Also I like the term "supercharging" as it is the most accurate thing given to us in canon. Augment means not only enhance, but change and alter as well, which may not be 100% accurate to what this ability is or is not capable of. --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 02:36, 19 December 2008 (EST)
** I'd argue "amplification" is significantly more correct than "augmentation". --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 11:50, 19 December 2008 (EST)
*** Personally I think the use of the ability in the series should hold more weight than the use in the graphic novels if only because not all of us have read them (Sorry just don't have the time lately). Now I know most of us have, in fact, seen the series from episode one on, so the naming convention used in the series should, as I said, hold more weight than the more obscure use in the graphic novels. I say stick with supercharging over augmentation for this and for the reason stated by Powermimic, that augmentation is to make something greater, and to supercharge is to make excessively greater. Also, I believe amplification is too identical to augmentation to work. Seems like there's a finer level of control to simply "amplify" a power. Ando definately overdoes it and he doesn't seem to have much control over it. The way he literally charges them with what appears to be a form of electricity seems to argue well for the fact that it's more of a supercharge than an amplification as well. [[User:NeoAg7|NeoAg7]] 22:39, 28 December 2008 (EST)
**** You have a point about little control but that doesn't really matter. Control doesn't set the name. [[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]] 07:08, 29 December 2008 (EST)
***** In that case you go back to naming convention. The first person to name the ability as it was used by Ando was Matt. All sources point to supercharge as opposed to augmentation or amplification. [[User:NeoAg7|NeoAg7]] 13:34, 29 December 2008 (EST)
****** This reminds me of the Lightning/Electric Manipulation debate, which ended in the [[Assignment tracker|knowledgeable]] near-canon trumping the [[Peter Petrelli|inexperienced]] Canon reference. {{:User:UrNoob/sig}} 21:42, 2 January 2009 (EST)
******* It has now been referred to as super charging by two separate characters. Matt referred to it as super charging in [[Dual]], and Hiro referred to Ando as a "super charger" in [[A Clear and Present Danger]]. I think that means that it should be called "super charging" as two words instead of one (see the subtitles of what Hiro said to Ando in A Clear and Present Danger. It specifically translates to "super charger"). [[User:NeoAg7|NeoAg7]] 23:25, 2 February 2009 (EST)

== Rename to Electron Manipulation ==
Nearly ALL powers involve the use of electrons in one way or the other. Matt uses the brain where electric synapses ARE the mind, thoughts, etc... Traveling back in time can be considered as an electron traveling backwards. Other powers like super strength/speed are the command for the contraction of the muscles being fired way faster and that are, again, electrons. Sylar touches the brain while copying powers, Peter might copy the powers by the electromagnetic aura humans make, Micah might communicate with machines by electrons(good point here), electric manipulation(another good point) obvious use...etc.

Now, I am not saying that all powers involve electrons, also some powers are up there with flying raindeers, but Future Ando throwing lightning can be easily explained this way. I mean common, when he hit the table small electric arcs where all over his hand...

Anyway, I am really looking forward to the next movie ^^ --[[User:Discipol|Discipol]].

*Actually, tell me if i'm wrong here, but i was thinking that Ando's power played on the adrinaline in ones system making them double-super...thats why the show flicked back and forth b/w Ando and his abilities and Meredith with her problem after being injected with adrinaline, to show the similarities...did anyone else think this?--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 09:38, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*I see absolutely no precedent for renaming Ando's ability this way. The standard is to name powers by what they accomplish, not by some unverifiable explanation of how they work. Most ''Heroes'' abilities are physically impossible by the known laws of physics, so a pseudoscientific explanation isn't very helpful, anyway. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 09:44, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*I'm with Ted C on this one. We have a canon name, it describes the ability reasonably well, and the alternatives that aren't ruled out by naming convention are too speculative to use. And the adrenaline idea is interesting, to be sure. I'm sure it wasn't meant to be a point about this article, but the mechanics of how powers actually work have (mostly) been left out of naming conventions so far. Even if the "powers manipulate electrons" hypothesis is somehow correct, it doesn't necessarily warrant a change in the article name. The effect of the ability- namely, increasing other abilities- remains the same no matter what the actual mechanism. ~~[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 16:52, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
* I don't see any reason to rename the power from "ability supercharging". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:57, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*Maybe since abilitys are related to Adrenaline , Andos power could change the persons Adrenaline. making them "supercharged" (only a stupid guess)--[[User:Knox_1992|Knox_1992]] 00:12, 18 December 2008 (EST)
**While certainly a valid theory, doesn't really affect the naming issue. ~~[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 18:30, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
*I agree the ability needs to be rename, but not to Electron manipulation. Nowhere in any canon or near-canon source does that name comes up. Ability augmentation is mention by Sean Fallon, who has more credibility than Matt, which is I believe is the proper name for this ability.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 19:38, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*I agree that it's a dumb name, but it's canon, at least for now. We'll just have to wait for another episode to name it differently. ~~[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 18:45, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
**That wasn't the case when we renamed Lighting to Electric manipulation. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 19:47, 17 December 2008 (EST)
**That was not an analogous case. Electrical Manipulation was meant to be an explicit, scientific naming of the ability. It was from the assignment tracker. "Ability Augmentation" could be considered a description and was from the graphic novel. Very different cases. ~~[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 18:59, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
***But it was stated by Sean Fallon who at the time worked with The Company and is an expert in the field regarding abilities. The Assignment Tracker is also from The Company, the very same organization that had train Sean to become an expert.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)
***Just because he was experienced with abilities does not mean that he explicitly named the ability in that case. The Company did not brief him on much more than the basics of each person's abilities- their exact nature was figured out by scientists by Mohinder. A description stated by a member of the Company is not the same as an explicit name from the Company's official catalog of abilities. ~~[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 19:13, 17 December 2008 (EDT)
****Sean was briefed pretty well by Gael before he was sent out on the mission. This is evident when Sean stated that Gael wanted her back in one piece and that she was very important to The Company. He further stated what their mission was and that Paulette was an augmenter. This is more explicit compare to "supercharging".--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:22, 17 December 2008 (EST)

== Ando and the Haitian ==

Their powers are sort of opposites. I like it, and wonder how they would interact. --[[User:Dumpster juice|Dumpster juice]] 19:50, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*I was thinking the same thing, the Haitian dulls or stops the use of abilities to a degree, but ando amplifies them.I was wondering if the Haitian could be supercharged by ando and dull the whole world, or, would they cancel each other out, the Haitian unable to dull ando and ando unable to supercharge the Haitian?--[[User:DEADEYE|DEADEYE]] 22:40, 18 December 2008 (EST)

== Ability Amplification ==

Even stated in the description of the article, augmentation is adding something but amplification is increasing, so no no to Augmentation.
*Adding and increasing...same thing, different wording. Plus Ability amplification isn't stated in any cannon or near cannon sources. Also please remember to add your signature :) --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:14, 17 December 2008 (EST)
** Actually, he's right. To augment to "Thing A", you are adding "Thing B" to "Thing A". To amplify "Thing A", you cause "Thing A" to be multiplied. Amplification is the more correct term. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 10:53, 18 December 2008 (EST)
*** You could add "Thing A" to "Thing A" and it's still augmented. Aside from that, what Paula and Ando are doing IS augmentation according to your "Thing A/B" logic, in that they're ''add''ing their ability to whoever they touch to ''increase'' their ability. (Notice both go together there.) A non-related example would be an augmented chord in music. Move the last note up one half step and it's augmented. You're not adding anything to it, but you're increasing the note. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 12:20, 19 December 2008 (EST)
****Riddler is right. "To make greater, more numerous, larger, or more intense." - Definition of Augment from Merriam-Webster. Augmenting doesn't always mean adding something. Augmentation would be the more correct term because it was derived from what was said in the GN: Augmenter - "One who, or that which, augments or increases anything." Amplification hasn't been used so far and since amplification is a synonym of augmentation, it should probably stay as the description (to amplify) of the ability, unless its stated in canon. -- [[User:Cael|Cael]] 02:18, 20 December 2008 (EST)
*****Or we could step away from alliteration and refer to it as 'ability enhancement'.--[[User:Darthemed|Darthemed]] 04:11, 20 December 2008 (EST)
****** Or, again, we could go with what it was called. Not to sound rude, but how come every time we have something that is named, everyone has to find a synonym or different name entirely?--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 01:51, 21 December 2008 (EST)
*******I was just trying to point out what Sean Fallon said, who I felt was more credible than Matt when it came to understanding abilities. Now pulling names out of the sky isn't at all needed. That I agree with. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 07:45, 21 December 2008 (EST)
* To follow up the Thing A-B logic.. I agree with Riddler too. The persons ability only increases once augmented(charged) meaning touched by Ando-Paulette. If it were Amplification people might think the effects are permanent. Thing A + Thing B = Thing A. It's the original ability (Thing A) that eventually does the trick after being exposed to Thing B. So I'm wooing for ''Ability Augmentation''. (btw I have a headache now!) But who are we kidding they both mean the same thing -> change of magnitude <-- But since the name Ability Augmentation is the most logic one and is already Cannon, we should go for that! [[User:DarthYotho|DarthYotho]] 07:40, 2 January 2009 (EST)

alterni007: i personally agree with this, and i think that this is a good idea
* i love this name i dont just like Ability Supercharger i like This a lot better--[[User:Skyeatsout|Skyeatsout]] 16:08, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== The fault of the [[World Splitting in Half]]==

*Any of you guys think that Ando's ability must be the cause of the world destruction. I'm thinking because if Ando supercharges Peter's ability then he would end up absorbing the abilities of a whole city. And as stated by Mohinder once, Peter is like a sponge, he's not just copying the ability, he's absorbing it. And this super absorption would make him end up like Kirby Plaza again, but this time its not just the whole city, its the whole world...XD

--{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 21:20, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*But Future Ando was using his power on Future Hiro in the the future that aired in ''I Am Become Death'' when the tsunami hit. So I doubt that it could be Ando unless Ando was in two places at once in that future.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)

*I think that amplifying Peter's ability in the way you described is a possibility. Whether or not that is what leads to the world being torn apart seems unlikely from a scripting point of view. It seems a little to anticlimactic.--[[User:Hans Dritten|Hans Dritten]] 23:00, 17 December 2008 (EST)

*A friend of mine suggested that the world being blown apart was the result of Supercharging + Induced Radioactivity. We've already seen that Peter (and Sylar, for that matter) can explode with enough force to destroy a city. Now imagine an explosion 9001 times more powerful.... --[[User:Ambro.Baby|AmbroBaby]] 19:02, 21 January 2009 (EST)

== It killed a Future Hiro, right? ==

Ability augmentation seems to be it does but perhaps it does this because it increases other abilites by increasing some function in the brain. Perhaps this is how he killed Hiro as he supercharged his brain until it caused him to pass out or die...Since it happened in the future Ando is probably much more adept with... I guess we'll see what happens in the next volume. Also I noticed it activates others abilites without their own action. Daphne grabbed Ando but didn't activate her own ability.--[[User:Dave|Dave]]
*I think his power just increases the [[adrenaline]] in someone's system. Thats why the writers had Noah explain what was happening to Meredith when Sylar injected her....so, i guess you could say that if Ando (with 4 years of experince behind it) knows how to increse someones adrenaline, then in theory he could overpower them and shut them down (either for a while or for good)...anyone else agree or at least understand what im saying?--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 14:48, 18 December 2008 (EST)
*I sent this one out to the fine folks at the 10th Wonders, and I came up 3 theories on how this was able to take Hiro down. 1, it sent Hiro's consciousness through time, like Desmond in Lost. 2, throwing it at Hiro, it generated enough force to at least knock in out. And 3, Hiro was de-powered in this future, and the power supercharger could be deadly to people without powers.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]]
** No one suggested 4, the shock gave Hiro his ability back causing him to collapse in a similar manner to the way Ando collapsed when gaining his ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 03:21, 19 December 2008 (EST)
*Hiro's power allows him to stop time and go forward and backward through time. When he uses his ability the world is affected but he isnt. I think supercharging his ability would allow Hiro to change with time. Perhaps to get younger. or lets say he gets injured, changing time so that he is no longer injured.--[[User:Hans Dritten|Hans Dritten]] 19:38, 19 December 2008 (EST)
** User:Shadowulf1 20:15, 21 December 2008 (EST) I think that [[Hiro]] misread his vision of the future... Not to sound stuck in the now, but what reason would [[Ando]] have to kill [[Hiro]]? And the power doesn't seem to have any negative effects on the people that he uses the power on (no dizziness, disorientation, etc.), just increased powers.
*** Remember, that future where F_Ando killed F_Hiro no longer exists. Who knows what led up that future--maybe Ando and Hiro had a falling out of some sort. Also, we haven't ever seen Ando use the power on a person who doesn't have powers (remember that Hiro doesn't have any powers right now, and he may not have in the future where he is killed). Also, Ando has only just learned what his power is and has only used it for a few hours at best. Perhaps as time goes on he will learn how to use it in other ways--perhaps to supercharge a person's heart to make it beat super fast and explode. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:46, 21 December 2008 (EST)
* A slight tangent, but I read somewhere on this wiki (cant remember where; am about to go to bed so damned if I'm hunting) the speculation that Ando's Lightning Blast was more of a side-effect of him supercharging his own ability (he makes small sparks anyway, plus he put his hands together before Smiting Hiro). I'd imagine a sparky blast like that would, in its own right, be seriously lethal. Did the original speculation get shot down? Just wondering, y'all =) --[[User:Ambro.Baby|AmbroBaby]] 19:07, 21 January 2009 (EST)
** I believe you saw that at [[Theory:Ability supercharging]]. It's only speculation. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:47, 21 January 2009 (EST)

==Common Sense==
Isn't it common sense that the name should not be "ability supercharging" but something else that is sensibly covers Ando's ability such as ability amplification, or augmentation ( to a certain extent). Besides Matt more then likely was describing his ability not naming it. It's also possible that Ando's Ability may also be something completly different such as "Synthetic Adrenaline Production" which would explain how F_Ando killed F_Hiro (because adrenaline can make the heart pump so fast it pumps out air). Also the name supercharging itself does not make sense to go along with some previous statements about Daphne being a "speedster" we don't call her power "speedstering" we call it something that actually reflects the powers effect, not what we describe it as. So infact ability supercharging shouldn't be cannon, it should actually be describing. Because that's what Matt did. {{User:Paul L.}} 4:37, 23 December 2008?

==Permanent==
If Ando amplified his on power would all other power he amplify after that be permanent?
--[[User:Future21|Future21]] 05:13, 23 December 2008 (EST)

:Nothing seems to suggest that. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:24, 23 December 2008 (EST)

:That seems like the only logical amplification on his on power.--[[User:Future21|Future21]] 11:38, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Remember [[Matt]] said that his power was supercharging [[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 11:56, 23 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop

:Matt didn't say that, he described his power as such. [[User:Paul The Tree|Paul L.]] 06:06, 26 December 2008

::What could possibly be the point of having an amplification power in the show if they could just amplify themselves and "upgrade" people? Besides, I find it highly unlikely that an amplifier can amplify himself. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 02:42, 26 December 2008 (EST)

:::That would probably kill him because he would not be able to stop the amplification causing a cycle of supercharging and his body would not be able to handle it and would die, but nature (and the rule of Ted) prevent that so no he wouldn't.[[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]] 01:30, 27 December 2008

::::Not all supers have the law of ted applied to them. [[User:Paul The Tree|Paul L.]] 04:46, 27 December 2008

:::::Yeah, like Elle. [[User:Titan3510|Titan3510]] 21:02, 6 February 2009 (EST)

User:Shadowulf1 16:09, 31 December 2008 (EST) why are we ''speculating'' again? I think the name should stay power augmentation, like it was when [[Paulette Hawkins]] was the only ability supercharger. Just like you call one with the power [[precognition]] a precog, and a person with [[super speed|superhuman speed]] a speedster or a superspeeder (for the older folks) you don't call the ability "precogging" or "superspeeding"; just call it '''Power/Ability Augmentation''' or '''Power/Ability Boosting''' (I thought this site was beyond the use of neologisms anyway)

== How about Ability Manipulation?==
:This is really a good idea because it does cover all of what the ability has been shown to do.[[User:EmpathicMimic0|EmpathicMimic0]]
**Sorry, it doesn't even have a root in canon, half - canon, or anything, to be honest, other than a discriptive nature which mightn't be accurate,--[[User:IotV|IotV]] 22.07, 9 January 2009 (GMT)
***In addition that, the name suggests that Ando can decrease the power of abilities, in addition to amplifying them. {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 10:32, 16 February 2009 (EST)

== Examples ==

* There is only one example showing Ando's supercharging on [[Daphne]] here (the time she went back a few seconds) but he used this ability twice on Daphne so far. Therefore shouldn't there be two seperate examples to show this? --[[User:Isaac Mendez|Isaac Mendez]] 14:07, 27 January 2009 (EST)
** Yes. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:19, 27 January 2009 (EST)

== Possibly rename to Energy Manipulation ==
Ando's powers does seem to be well covered by this, and the fact that he could have killed Hiro by absorbing or taking out his or energy or imploding him from the inside. This also shows how he can manipulate the abilities of others by transferring more energy to the abilities and/or bodies of others. -- Signyour Poste
*A legit theory, but it's still completely speculative and has absolutely no basis in canon. {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 22:35, 17 February 2009 (EST)
*Or, it could just be Energy Emission, and he's thinking more outside the box, than just the canon. {{User:The_Oracle101}}

Agreed, Thrashmeister.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 12:50, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Main Image ==

Does anyone think that either of these pictures are good for the main image? [[:Image:Future dead hiro.jpg|Example 1]] and [[:Image:Andopower.JPG|Example 2]].--[[User:Catalyst|Catalyst]]
* I think the current one it's still the best one, since it shows Ando actually supercharging an ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:55, 20 February 2009 (EST)
** Personnally I don't mind if the main image is changed, I think it would be better to use [[:Image:Andopower.JPG|Example 2]]. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 18:59, 20 February 2009 (EST)
**I'm with Empath on this one. The current image is the best example of the ability's use. --[[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 14:31, 27 February 2009 (EST)
How about this? http://s225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/fire_at_willz/?action=view&current=641pj7.gif&jwidget_action=search --[[User:Isaac Mendez|Isaac Mendez]] 18:13, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
*That's an animation, they don't move here in wiki, we have two of those (one of Candice dropping the Simone illusion and one from explosion future Peter using telekinesis while dropping invisibility). Until Ando uses his ability to supercharge someone else's ability again, I don't see the main image changing. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:20, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
**Personally, I think the animation would be good in the examples myself.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 14:43, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
[[:Image:Ando power supercharging.jpg|This image]] is similar to one we already have, but it seems more sharp.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 21:06, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
***Umm... If you get the current image with the quality of the one you uploaded, I'm on it. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:18, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
****Well i found this pic. But i'll do the best i can do.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 21:22, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
*****I am having difficulties fixing the original. Someone else with more experience might have to try. What is wrong with the picture I just uploaded?-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 21:38, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
******How is this?-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 23:33, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

== Different Abilities ==

Couldn't one argue that Paulette and Ando have two different, but similar abilities? Both manifest different and Paulette's seems to need physical contact while Ando's has a range and can be activated as simple red sparks. Plus Ando can redirect his as a blast and do some damage other than just making an ability overload.
*I've always argued that they are different abilities, for two main reasons. First of all Paulette's ability is permanent, if the ability is augmented it remains augmented. Also she can do it in reverse and weaken an ability permanently. Secondly there is no animation or effects when Paulette uses it, Ando creates red lightning - A noticeable difference. Oh and make sure to add your signature after adding a comment mate. It's easy just click the signature button above the section you are editing. --{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 04:00, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
*I think they are different. Ando "charges", Paulette "augments". Similar, but different way. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 05:14, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
**It was never said that Paulette's ability had permanent effects, or that she could weaken abilities, don't know where you're pulling that from. And Paulette's ability did have an effect, there was a golden glow, it was not that flashy, but it was there. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:04, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
***It has also been proven now Ando's powers can be used offenisvely- whereas Paulette's can't, and the powers look very different as well. [[User talk:Wikopedicman|Wikopedicman]]
****Paulette was never given a chance to make much use of her ability, at least based on what we've seen. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:34, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

== Name No Longer Fits Convention ==

Now that we know there is a more weaponized form of Ando's version of this ability, it no longer fits the naming conventions according to the naming article. ("As a general rule, for a possible name to be considered the name of an ability, it should include '''at least all aspects''' of the ability which have been displayed; otherwise, it is considered to be the name of an aspect or effect of the ability.") Time for a rename --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 04:26, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
* I think it still fits. Ando shot a blast at a non-superhuman, which could have different effects. The ability acts like electricity; used the wrong way and you could electrocute yourself. If anything, maybe this could be renamed to just "Super Charging". --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 05:08, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
** I don't think anything has changed. This "weaponized form" of Ando's ability is new to him, but it's not new to the audience. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 07:50, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
***Well those comments just help my case. Ability names, according to the rules of the wiki, are supposed to cover ALL aspects of an ability (which is why, for instance, Hiro's ability is called "Space-Time Manipulation"). And to Ryan, that just means we know we've been wrong for calling it this all along. The fact that we the audience pretty much could assume since seeing the ability for the first time that it had this affect just means we should have found a different name from the beginning. I only said "now that we know" in my original comment because it is truly CONFIRMED now. The name needs a change. This clearly falls under the same category as "Space-Time" or "Mental Manipulation". I dont MIND the current name, it simply doesnt fit wiki protocol. I think people get too complacent with names once they have been on the wiki for a while. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 10:57, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
**** One problem is that we've not been given a newer canonical term that might fit better. The canonical supercharging term we were provided does still apply and the fact that Ando has found a way to weaponize it doesn't really change that, however if we were given a new term that encompasses both uses of it I do believe it would end up being changed. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:08, 24 March 2009 (EDT))
**Then ''this'' wording should be changed (from the naming conventions):

''When a possible name for an ability appears in a canon, near-canon, or secondary source, it is important to consider whether the name describes the ability itself or merely one or more of its effects or applications:

* Some abilities allow for multiple effects; for example, Hiro's ability allows him to manipulate space-time, with separate effects of teleportation, time-travel, and chronokinesis. While all of these names have appeared in various sources (teleportation and time travel in canon sources, chronokinesis in a secondary source), each describes only an aspect of his ability. Therefore, none of the three can be considered a canon source name for his ability as a whole.
* As a general rule, for a possible name to be considered the name of an ability, it should include at least all aspects of the ability which have been displayed; otherwise, it is considered to be the name of an aspect or effect of the ability.
* Such a name may also include or imply aspects of the ability which have not yet been seen. This differs from a descriptive name, which should not imply aspects of the ability which have not been seen. So long as the name provided includes all that is known, it can be assumed to be a canon, near-canon, or secondary source name, and should be treated accordingly.''

This implies that even if a name is provided in canon, it must cover all aspects. As you are the admin, you can change it if you feel this rule is no longer needed, but until then.... (Knox's "enhanced strength" could be brought into this discussion and probably a few more as well....) --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 11:17, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
**I went ahead and put the rename template on here, as it needs to be done. Imprinting should change too, since I seem to be the lone warrior for these two renames... :) --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 09:58, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
* The name's OK, we already have accelerated probability, which allows, too, electrocuting others. --[[User:Altes|Altes]] 05:14, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
**That just means there's at least THREE powers that dont fit the rules of the conventions, not that it makes this one ok. --[[User:Action Figure|Action Figure]] 15:04, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

== Anyone feel opposed to this? ==

The way I see it, Ability supercharging is a different ability to [[Paulette]]'s ability. For those of you who don't remember it, she augmented abilities - a process very different to Ando's. She could permanently augment an ability increasing or diminishing it's power, whereas Ando's effect only lasts for as long as the charge itself. Ando's ability also doubles as a weapon, something Paulette's ability never demonstrated. So how does anyone else feel on this? --{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 07:57, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:To be fair, Paulette did die before she could use it as a weapon, so we have no proof she couldn't use it as a weapon. --[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 09:15, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
: I say make two pages. --[[User:Nax|Nax]] 03:24, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
: I don't see enough differences yet. I don't remember Paulette doing anything other than increasing someone's power. I also don't think we have enough to assume hers is permenent - yeah, Brendan's was permenent (as far as we know), but he's an odd case; part of his ability was that he was "plant-like". He went from "plant-like" to a whole forest, so I can see why this may be a rare case where the augment would stick.--[[User:BardinessBoy|BardinessBoy]] 03:42, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
:It was stated somewhere that her ability was permanent and that she could only augment abilities increasing or diminishing their power. As for whether it could be harnessed as a weapon was never seen.--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 03:58, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
:: Where was this stated? I follow BTE's and the interviews done for here, but I don't recall anything like that. The article itself doesn't mention anything on Paulette's ability being permanent or being able to weaken people's powers, either. --[[User:BardinessBoy|BardinessBoy]] 15:13, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
::: I am sure however that the original article - [[Ability augmentation]] said this, it was just deleted in the merge.--{{User:Steelymcbeam/sig}} 10:16, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
::::I agree Steelymcbeam. Ando obviously has supercharging (and the red lightning that goes with it) but Paulette obviously has ability augmentation. I agree that they should be separated. All of Steelymcbeam's contentions also make sense. "to be fair, Paulette did die before she could use it as a weapon," is a illegitimate argument, because we could say that given the opportunity, ANY other power could double for something else. I say we split the pages. [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 00:32, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
::::: I don't think it's obvious that they're different abilities. There are obviously differences, I agree; Ando's is red, more electrical and has been used offensively, while Paulettes' is a pale orange, is a simple glow and hasn't been used offensively. However, Paulette and her ability have only been in one graphic novel, and that novel just doesn't give us enough information to reach a solid conclusion. --[[User:BardinessBoy|BardinessBoy]] 18:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
:::: But if the old article did have it, why isn't the information somewhere on this page? And if it did have information on the extent of Paulette's ability, where did it get it from? --[[User:BardinessBoy|BardinessBoy]] 18:37, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

== New Main Image ==

Should we change the main image to Ando shooting the agent with 'red lightning', it looks much better (nobody has uploaded it yet), but I think it would be really good --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:55, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:I don't like that, as I said before, until Ando supercharges someone else's ability, I don't see the image changing. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:04, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
*I like that idea. Him shooting the agent would be a great picture. Hopefully, someone will upload it.-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 20:47, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
Alright, i did my best to try and get an image. Image:005-1-1.jpg -- here it is. I know it doesn't look that great, so if someone can please fix it up, it can go in the examples page. Thanks!{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 00:43, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
* If someone fixed it up I think it would look much better :) --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 05:25, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
**Whoops, didn't see that version, but I uploaded [[:Image:Powers ando blasts.JPG|this]]. It's the best I could do with my sloth-like reflexes, so feel free to re-up it :). {{User:Psilaq Remake/sig}} 13:29, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
*** Apart from the completely strange look on Ando's face, I think it looks much better --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:37, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
** I'm not sure who changed it but it looks much better --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 13:59, 27 March 2009 (EDT)s
***Yeah, that looks way much better than the one that i uploaded. Good job Psilaq!-- {{User:Catalyst/sig}} 14:11, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
***Thanks ;)! I don't think it should be the main image, though, just because it doesn't emphasize the '''supercharging''' aspect of his ability. {{User:Psilaq Remake/sig}} 14:15, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
****[[User:IceGhost78|IceGhost78]] i support the image of ando blasting the agent because it shows the power in full flight
*****I still hold my opinion, until Ando supercharges someone's ability again, I don't support an image change, images aren't chosen just cause they're flashy. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:40, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
****** What I think is missing from the name is the fact that it can be used as a weapon, I think (as the name is describing the supercharging element) we should have an image showing the weaponised form --{{User:Irony/Signature}} 12:34, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
******* Telepathy has a ton of different effects, but we don't change the image with every new effect, it's not possible, same thing with this ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:45, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
********Intuitive Empath, you are saying that you think we should wait until he zaps another evolved human. But what about when he charged Hiro in The Second coming? That shows what Ando is doing to him, right?-- <span style="background-color: black; font-family:Calibri, sans-serif; border: 1px solid #111111;padding: 2px; -moz-border-radius:5px;"> <small>'''[[User:Catalyst|<font color=dodgerblue>Catalyst</font>]]''' <font color="dodgerblue">»</font></small> <small>[[User talk:Catalyst|<font color="dodgerblue">'''My talk Page'''</font>]]</small><small><font color="dodgerblue"></font></small>-</span> 21:23, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
*********And that didn't affect his ability in any way, so it's the same as Ando zapping people to knock them out. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:49, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

==Why Split?==
I don't see why everyone is rushing to split the power description. Did it ever occur to anyone that using a power offensively doesn't necessarily change it's inherent purpose? Just because someone can throw a chair and hurt someone with it does not change the primary function of the chair to a weapon. -{{User:Barbedknives/sig}}00:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
*Not unless your name is Steve Ballmer, anyway. This is like what happened with [[neurocognitive deficit]] - there technically should be consensus to merge OR split a page; from what I've seen here, we do/did not have it for either. Also, I believe we are not exactly being consistent here; we split ND from [[Mental manipulation|MM]] because Anna didn't show all the effects the Haitian did, but we put these to together when Paulette's ability to date wasn't even similar in appearance, much less effects. --{{User:Yamawhata?/signature}} 23:24, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
** We do have confirmation that Anna's ability and the Haitian's ability really can't be compared yet. ([[Interview:IStory|See here]] for the latest.) But I agree with you, I don't think Ando's ability should have ever been grouped with Paulette's ability. Similar abilities are not necessarily the same ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:31, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

== Maybe just Supercharging? ==

It could just be called supercharging as we have seen it supercharge Daphne's [[super speed]] and Matt's [[telepathy]]. The only thing i can think of for the concussive blast could be that it supercharges the heart rate to the point that a normal human will be knocked out. [[User:Obelisk52|Obelisk52]] 17:41 30 March 2009
*Supercharging a heart beat doesn't account for being thrown back by a beam of red energy. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:11, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

*Maybe they are thrown back by the force of the supercharge hitting them.[[User:Obelisk52|Obelisk52]] - [[User talk:Obelisk52|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Obelisk52|Contributions]] 17:12 31 March 2009
*I don't think the 'ability' is needed in the title. I don't mind if it's just "Super Charging". And it can better explain all aspects of the ability. (the electrocuting normal humans) --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:14, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Could it be something to do with energy?Like he can charge peoples powers by passing energy to them and also send a blast of energy with force?Something along the lines of Dragonball Z and all that. --[[User:Colin4679|Colin4679]] 07:02, 6 April 2009
* JKL calls it "supercharger" plus "energy blaster" [http://weblogs.redeyechicago.com/showpatrol/2009/04/james-kyson-lee-ando-the-action-hero.html (*)] --[[User:Juba|Juba]] 08:08, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== Ability supercharging lightning ==

It describes what the ability does. It generates a lightning. This lightning can supercharge abilities, and can also blast melons. [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 08:43, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

*Doesn't have a nice sound if you ask me, plus we don't know if it's actually electricity. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:44, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

"Generates a lightning?" WTF?!?!?!

"Blast melons?" We know it can do more than <i>that</i>.

Indeed, Intuitive Empath. We don't know whether it's electricity or not. Besides, the name we have is from a [[Episode:Dual|canon source]].--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 12:42, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
** what was your thought process on this name, just combine everything about it into one phrase?? also it doesn't make sense the way you put it together; the ability has nothing to do with lightning. --[[User:Tsmarg|Tsmarg]]

==Disabling electronics==
*Check out the scene just after Ando zaps the Building 26 van where Ando tells Hiro that he was about to get tasered. The dart was blinking, then Ando shocks the dart, and then the dart is dark. Based on this scene, Red Lightning can either disable electronics or interact with electricity. -- Signyour Poste
**I think Ando's zap simply short-circuited out the dart. --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 00:50, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
***Even if the blast merely short-circuited out the dart, that is indicative of the fact that it is not merely restricted to affecting organic matter, and that it has some effect on electronics. -- Signyour Poste
****The article doesn't say it doesn't affect inorganic matter, affecting people's abilities doesn't mean it can't affect electronics. Saying that he can do it with the little info we have is very speculative. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:19, 26 April 2009 (EDT)


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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine ability supercharging's name.
Source/Explanation
Matt says that Ando can supercharge the powers of others, and Hiro calls Ando a "super-charger" (Dual), (A Clear and Present Danger).


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Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

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Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]] • [[Talk:Ability supercharging/Archive 2#

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Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The erro]]

Delete Sections

Since most of these sections are useless now that we have a name for the ability, shouldn't they be deleted? It's just junk now (And once we delete them, I'll delete this section.).--ERROR 12:46, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

The Source of All Evil... kidding, but:

Why do people think Ando can give abilities? All he does is making them more powerful. -- Altes 08:46, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Avada Kedavra

Albeit red. -- Altes 04:00, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

    • Matt and Daphne survived it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:25, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
      • Yep, I meant that big red lightning thing. Besides, Harry Potter survived it too. Twice. -- Altes 01:34, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

short circuit

is it possible that when ando attacked the gaurds at Matt Parkman's house that he literaly overcharged their systems and short circuited them? Ando demonstrated a similar thing on a tazer in I Am Sylar. anyway if this is the case than I suggest a name change to simply supercharging which covers all aspects of his ability instead of just his power to charge abilities. --Tsmarg

  • How about melons in Baby Power? He smashed them, and I doubt there are any systems within melons. -- Altes 12:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
    • well what I mean by short circuit is that he somehow generated a blast, electric or other, that was strong enough to short circuit a taser or even a human. I would guess that the blast also has a concussive force as shown: when he blasts the guard, the guard is sent flying backwards. the concussive blast could also probably explode a melon. --Tsmarg

Ability supercharging is canon...

...but can I ask which episode it was stated in. I'd like to see it named by someone. Thanks if you reply. --mc_hammark 08:43, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Matt says in Dual, "Your ability is like a supercharger". This is where the name comes from. AltesUTC CH

Comes from Star Wars?

You see, in Star Wars: Jedi Knight video game there's a Force power which allows to drain Force energy from opponents, and it looks like red lightning. On the contrary, Ando can strengthen others. Coincidence? AltesUTC CH

It's been called Red Lightning several times now

Just sayin'... --Action Figure 23:04, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Although we're not calling it lightning...

... should we not put: Ability supercharging (also referred to a red lightning) , like it does on the Electric manipulation page. Ando has called it that more than once. --mc_hammark 12:58, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Fine by me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:46, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Ability Forgotten?

Is it just me or are they just forgetting about andos abilty to supercharge? It seems to me the the writers wittled down his ability to just the red lightning part

--Lama098890 01:23, 10 November 2009 (EST)

  • There is a rumor that the cause of the Earth splitting in two is Ando using his ability on Samuel. -Barbedknives (talk)01:30, 10 November 2009 (EST)
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