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Is the only reason why people aren't calling it lightning, is because it's red? Because it looks self-explanatory to me. What else could it be? It looks EXACTLY like Elle's power only it's red and not blue white. --Dman dustin 10:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I agree, Ando's ability IS lightning. If we can say that Meredith and Flint both have pryokinesis, even though her's is natural colored and his is blue, then we should put Ando's ability under lightning. - FlyingMan 12:39, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
  • We haven't got any information about this power. We can't be sure that it is "Lightning", so, I thin that "Ando's ability" is better. - Henryp 19:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
    • There's really nothing that distinguishes Ando's power from lightning except color, and that's hardly a huge distinction. Unless we learn that his power has some more distinctive properties, I don't see why this requires its own page. --Ted C 13:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
      • We're not going to call it "Lightning" yet because there's no definitive evidence that it is the same or even related to that ability. Flint's Pyrokinesis is labeled Pyrokinesis based on his assignment tracker and because it is distinctly similar to Meredith's example of the ability. Ando's ability may not be electricity-based or it may function entirely differently from Lightning. Plus, if people search for Ando's ability to look for new info on it, it'll bring them here, where all the definitive info we have on the power is.--Paronine 13:54, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
        • It did look like lightning to me, but it could also have been some other kind of energy blast, so I'm fine with waiting a little longer to see if we get any more clues to the name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
          • I agree that it's Lightning, just colored differently. But there's really no evidence of that within the show. Our evidence for Flint having differently colored Pyrokinesis is that his AT says he has it and his power has thus far been very similar to Meredith's. Not so with Ando's ability. When some evidence appears canonically showing the two abilities to be related, then I'm sure we'll all be more than happy to move this on over to the Lightning page.--Paronine 14:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
            • I believe it's Lighting because of the way it is coming out of his hand and because of the noise it makes. It sound like the noise Elle's does as seen on this video
              • It is in fact lightning, a different kind, from Elle's lightning, but it is lightning, and it should be renamed to that (maybe in a seperate section, from Elle's ability) until we know exactly what it is. It's not like Mohinder's ability, which we have no idea what's going on to him - I was gonna suggest Enhanced Senses, but when his skin started to peel off I had no idea what to name it with, except "Mohinder's ability", it's not like Ando's (ability which we know a little bit of what's going on).
                • Apart from the "crackling" seen on Hiro's body upon use of the ability, Ando's power almost looks like more of a "laser" than Elle's lightning power. That being said, I imagine we'll soon have an official reference for calling Ando's power a form of lightning, similar to the Blue Pyrokinesis with Flint. GabrielPatrelli 16:13, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

--ChanPH 17:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)YES! LIGHTNING! or SUPERLIGHTNING perhaps! Guys! have any idea whats gonna happen if Ando touches NATHAN? what? Teleport too? [since its logically transportaion...TY! ChanPH

Name change

...And now has a name. Thank you very much for that tidbit, Signyour Poste.--ERROR 12:44, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

It's lightning.

[1] --Pyramidhead 18:29, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Amen.--Referos 20:19, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
    • A definite end to a debate that never should have happened in the first place... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:33, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Unfortunately, no. Commentary from the actors isn't considered reliable. Zachary Quinto once commented that he thought Sylar ate the brains to acquire their powers. The confirmation needs to come from the show or the writers. I'd recommend submitting it to CBR as something like, "Is the ability Future Ando uses to attack Future Hiro lightning or some other type of energy blast?" (Admin 20:48, 8 October 2008 (EDT))
        • I agree with Admin. Also, imho, this is in the same boat as the Terrorist's ability from the latest graphic novel. Neither should be deleted, but we don't know enough about either to identify them.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
          • Amen to Admin and Miami Volts, people cant argue that "just because there is a color difference doesn't mean that its a different ability", Flint and Meredith have Pyrokinesis and the color of the fire does not matter, blue fire is simply hotter than red fire... Blue-white lightning is lightning... no matter the circumstances, i have never seen red lightning and you'll have to convince me more that red lightning is also something to do with voltage and current.--Pbmarcano 11:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
            • I am sorry, but red lightning does exist. Well, it's not like a thunderbolt, but it's still an electrical discharge. Also, if you alter the colors of Ando's beam to blue using an image editor program, it certainly looks like Elle's lightning.--Referos 12:51, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
            • Here's another (better?) photo of real-life red lightning. According to the photographer, the color was caused by a reaction with pollutants.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:53, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
            • Did it ever occur to anyone that the color differences could simply just be for aesthetics? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:33, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
            • And for everyone saying that red lightning doesn't exist... for goodness' sakes, this is Heroes we're talking about... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
  • You could always ask ;).--Skywalkerrbf 12:58, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Unfortunately, it would really have to be a writer or producer to answer this question.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:08, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
      • MV, every source of light in that photo has red tints to it, it could easily have been gradient mapped in photoshop or shotten through an altered lens or glass. (I practically alter images for a living) I'm not doubting red lightning exists at all im just doubting that Ando's ability is really lightning, plus we dont nearly have enough information to jump to the conclusion that its lightning. Based on just looks?! I mean for all we know its a beam that turns people's organs inside out! Don't judge a book by its cover my friends. I say just leave it until we get more information. (and if Hiro goes into explination telling Ando how his future self killed future hiro, i dont think that counts cause he knows as much as we do)--Pbmarcano 11:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Would we have made a page for "Flint's ability" had Noah never shown Claire his assignment tracker page then? I mean, yeah, it looks totally like fire but we shouldn't base ability names on just looks... Besides, how does this NOT look like electricity? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:39, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Pbmarcano, I'm still not convinced we know for sure it is red lightning (though that's what it looks like to me), as I mentioned in my topmost comments. With my latter comment, I just wanted to rebuke those who were claiming there was no possibility it was red lightning.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:48, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
          • We still don't know *for sure* that it kills Hiro --Matchu 20:27, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
            • Consensus? --Pbmarcano 23:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
              • The naming convention is: "If no non-speculative description is possible", then use the person's name. I think a consensus doesn't do anything because it's still speculation. We have no description from a canon or near-canon source, so everything else is mere speculation. As for the Masi Oka interview, as much as I honor Masi's intelligence, he's not a writer for the show. His description of an ability may not coincide with the writing/creative staff of the show. Plus, it's an interview with E!, so he's pandering to idiots potentially less-knowledgeable readers. --Bob (talk) 23:35, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
                • Personally I think it's speculation to think it's not lightning. The fact it looks like lightning beyond the fact it's red should be enough to call it lightning. I don't know where it doesn't look like lightning comes from. Ignoring the color for a moment, how is it unlike lightning? I hope I asked that right. --Dman dustin 01:45, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Personally, I don't see why we're using "6. Possessor's name" when Masi Oka's interview should count as "3. Secondary Sources - Interviews." Sure, it's not a writer being interviewed, but I don't see why we don't use the interview with Masi Oka until we receive more information on it. TheEvilNoob 15:30, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Agreed. Surely Masi's comments would come under "Interview" being that they were said...during an interview. - Goldenboy 11:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I think its electricity, but there are a few abilities involving electricity, or maybe this is a completely new one.--Dandabest (talk) 12:56, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I think its a bit more than that.--G ron1990 (talk) 03:50, 23 December 2008 (EST)

There is no info on Ando's ability!

We don't even know if it killed Hiro. For all we know it could some kind of coma-inducing ray. I say that people should hold off on the debates until there's a canonical reason to call it lightning or otherwise. I haven't been on this site for that long and I've already figured out how the naming system here works; if it's canon, they name it so, if it's not, it remains debatable. Seeing as the lightning debate is so large why not just wait and see??? - FlamingTomDude 12:46, October 8th 2008 (EDT)

Energy Blast

Seems a pretty good name to me. wanna change? --Manwithnoname 17:27, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Too speculative right now. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 17:30, 2 November 2008 (EST)

So not even the writers?

I know it could construed they were being sarcastic but the writer(s) did call it Red Lightning in the most recent CBR Interview--Dman dustin 00:53, 11 November 2008 (EST)

  • Winner is Dman. Lightning is now canon. =]--Riddler 01:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • We'll probably never even see this ability again, but I'm sure they were going for electricity and just made it red to be different. There's no point having a page "Future Ando's ability". I say we add to the Lightning page, that in a possible future Ando had an ability like this, but red. --Powermimic 03:29, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Time to combine articles.

Red Lightning. Anyone opposed?--Riddler 12:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)

No. To quote Sylar... "I've been waiting a long time for this." Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:39, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • I just think we should be consistent, regardless of color. If we have one Pyrokinesis article, (whether orange/Meredith or blue/Flint), we should be consistent with Lightning regardless of the color. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 11/11/2008 12:53 (EST)
    • I don't think Riddler was suggesting we create a page for Red lightning. I think he was just quoting the interview. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:55, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • I'm opposed. First, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite seem like they are joking, as is their m.o. They also talk about "Earthquake guy" right before. They never say that that's the name of Ando's power, or that it's a power at all. They say (again, probably jokingly) that that's the connection between everyone having powers and the world ending. If we knew that F_Ando's power was lightning, I would have no problem combining the articles. But until then, I don't think we should. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:57, 11 November 2008 (EST)
      • See I knew someone would think the writers were joking. But I should point out that they were joking about the power that caused the earth to be destroyed. And how it wasn't earthquake guy but red lightning. I mean I don't see why they would be joking in the powers name, unless it was to mock people who thought it was "red" lightning. --Dman dustin 13:24, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • The way I read it, was that they were joking about both, but explicitly naming the latter in the process. --Riddler 13:30, 11 November 2008 (EST)
        • I agree. We now have two sources close to the show calling it red lightning (Masi and Aron/Joe). And while Aron and Joe may not have been said it directly, they were obviously referring to FAndo's ability. At this point it seems pretty obvious that this power is indeed lightning. Seb.gwirionyn 13:55, 11 November 2008 (EST)
    • You gotta understand that when they create powers, they don't have a name for them. They just say, "make it look like lightning, oh and red!". They don't think, 'is that even possible' - this is Heroes! Look at Angela's ability. They confirmed that her's was the ability Peter used to see Charles in the past! She kinda of has 2 abilities. So yes I'm sure they were going for lightning whether or not they were joking there. --Powermimic 18:51, 11 November 2008 (EST)
  • There is too much evidence that supports Red Lighting than something else. I think we should change it and if we get a name or someone else using the power and it being something other than red lighting we can change it then.
    • I agree. Is there an admin around? Can we change this article? Please... Seb.gwirionyn 21:16, 12 November 2008 (EST)
      • Are we going to make a different page for that power or are we going to consider it lightning? Red lightning is rare, but it is occurs naturally. Putting things at Lightning or creating a new power page? I think the info should be put in Lightning. Intuitive Empath 08:28, 13 November 2008 (EST)
        • I agree. Seb.gwirionyn 11:06, 13 November 2008 (EST)
          • I don't agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:16, 13 November 2008 (EST)
            • ... Damn. What about a separate page called Red Lightning or something similar? I'm so sick of "FAndo's ability". Seb.gwirionyn 11:19, 13 November 2008 (EST)
            • Why don't you agree? :/ Like the mystery poster said, there's just too much evidence that says that it's lightning... and considering there's just as much evidence pointing to lightning as there is for Future Ando's ability being synthetic (perhaps even more so), and that the latter has been noted as such on Future Ando's page, then I really think we should make the merge. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:30, 13 November 2008 (EST)
            • It's clearly lightning, and here we have it still as "Future Ando's Ability." But then we have the same issue with "Shattering" where its just as speculative, and yet we named it. So just to be clear, where do we draw the line? --Dman dustin 12:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
            • What evidence do you have that's it's not lightning? A lightning blot is white, the color that is given off is caused by the surrounding environment. It can appear red. --Powermimic 20:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
              • There is no evidence that it's not lightning, just as there is no evidence that it is lightning. There are good suggestions that it is, and I'd be willing to bet that it is, but that's still doesn't mean that it is. It's speculation to say that Elle and Future Ando have the same power. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:09, 13 November 2008 (EST)
                • What do you mean there's no evidence that it is lightning? On the contrary, there's a lot of evidence. Whether or not the evidence is conclusive is debatable, but there's definitely evidence pointing towards lightning. Besides visual and sound effects, the fact that the writers made a reference to "red lightning," which imho is most likely referring to the only thing in the Heroes universe at this moment that fits that description, Future Ando's ability, rather than a completely different element that is yet to be introduced. I really think that at this point, it's speculative to think it's not lightning. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)
                  • Good, I agree it's speculative to think it's not lightning, just as it's speculative to think that it is. We simply don't know what it is, which is why "Future Ando's ability" is probably the best name--it doesn't assume that is is lightning and it doesn't assume that it's not lightning. Until we know for sure, we shouldn't speculate one way or the other. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:51, 14 November 2008 (EST)
                    • I'm gonna have to go with Ryan on this one. Really, we know next to nothing about this power. For all we know, it could be some kind of red death ray beam. The only thing we can say for sure is that it is red energy. No matter how close it looks to lightning, we have no definite confirmation. Psilaq Remake 18:31, 17 November 2008 (EST)
        • Somehow this power is starting to look to me like one of those spells in Harry Potter. They have one that makes red sparks that tortures a person, not kill them. That's what this could be, and Hiro could have been knocked unconscious not dead. Right now there are a number of things pointing to it not being lightning that are just as speculative as saying it is lightning, so I agree with Ryan as well. -- FlamingTomDude 21:26, 17 November 2008 (EST)
  • I just don't understand how we can't name it when we have two separate sources for it. Though actor interviews aren't considered useful here, they do provide some insight, and when the writers even acknowledge it, it should be solid.--Riddler 21:21, 20 November 2008 (EST)

To me, it looks more like "Crimson Lightning," Myotismon's ability in Digimon. You can see it at 50 seconds into this video: Crimson Lightning Either way I think that's a much better sounding name than "Red Lightning," it's accurate, and it seems to better fall under priority rule four. The phrase "crimson lightning" has been seen in other fictional works too, but in a descriptive sense (for instance, referring to The Flash).

  • That's speculative, as it hasn't been referred to anywhere. Red lightning has two sources.--Riddler 12:46, 21 November 2008 (EST)
  • If we do finally rename this article, it's not going to be red lightning. Nobody's volleying for it to be changed to "red lightning," just "lightning." Color should not be used to distinguish by name two varieties of the same ability. We're not calling Flint's ability blue pyrokinesis, are we? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:30, 4 December 2008 (EST)
    • Oh, no kidding. Sorry if my comment made it seem that's what I meant. Red Lightning has two sources, and thus we should use Lightning.--Riddler 20:49, 4 December 2008 (EST)
      • Oh no, I actually wasn't talking to you. xD I guess I bulleted my comment too far. I was actually talking to that mystery poster. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:53, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Alright. I concede defeat. >_> Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:46, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Electromagnetic Radiation.

Ando's ability could be this, A Beam of electromagnetic radiation in a red frequency. Does not cause heat, but could deliver tremendous concussive force. - Carlos A.k.A OmniScience

  • I think your right because it seems more like a force beam like a TK or force field effect than something like Elle's lightning. The only thing is it doesn't account for the "supercharging" aspect of his ability(unless electromagnetic radiation fuels their powers). I hope we continue to see examples of this ability, Ando has always been one of my favorite charters.--Sylar Fan09 12:28, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Red Lightning

I think that red lightning decribes the ability more then "lightning".--Gabriel Bishop 12:19, 3 December 2008 (EST)Gabriel Bishop

Since when do we separate different kinds of the same ability by color? No, if it's lightning, then it'll be changed to lightning. The "red" is extremely extraneous. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 20:31, 4 December 2008 (EST)

oh i understand like flint's Pyrokinesis is blue while meredith's is orange.maybe like flints fire is hotter maybe red lightning has more currents. Gabriel Bishop 11:08, 6 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop

Maybe, some upper atmosphere lightnings generate more electricity and are red, but I read elsewhere that the red color has to do with the composition of the air at high altitudes and the humidity. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:13, 6 December 2008 (EST)

oh kk :)Gabriel Bishop 13:51, 6 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop

  • Boy am I glad we didn't move this to "lightning" or "red lightning" or "electric manipulation" or anything like that. Wow, who knew! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2008 (EST)

In the coming episodes...

  • With a bit of luck, we will get some clarification on this in the next few episodes. It seems that Ando is going to be off to Pinehearst. So hopefully, with Mohinder on-hand, we might get an actual name.--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  04:34, 11 December 2008 (EST)

This be the same as..

  • Pauline Hawkin's ability? --DarkPhoenix 21:44, 15 December 2008 (EST)
    • I realized that JUST after I moved it. It certainly has the same effects. Maybe merge ability augmentation into this page, since it's a canon name? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:07, 15 December 2008 (EST)
    • Someone's created Amplification - Tristan0709 talk 22:11, 15 December 2008 (EST)
      • So, are we using this, or Ability augmentation? I'd prefer augmentation. - Tristan0709 talk 22:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)
        • Supercharger is canon. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:23, 15 December 2008 (EST)
        • Ability augmentation is not accurate. Augment means to add to. If anything it'd be more like "ability amplification". However since "supercharger" is currently a canonical term that was used when talking about it "ability supercharger" is probably the best term for now barring anything more explicit. (Admin 22:39, 15 December 2008 (EST))
          • Ability supercharging. Ando is a supercharger. He can supercharge, and when he does so, he is supercharging. This isn't labeled like "Puppet master", so we can use the correct wording.--Riddler 23:49, 15 December 2008 (EST)
            • I agree with Riddler, they didn't explicitly name the ability as "ability supercharger" so I don't see why we can't use the general form, "ability supercharging", instead.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:58, 15 December 2008 (EST)

I think supercharging sounds slang and unofficial, like calling Daphne's ability "fast running". I personally think something like "ability enhancement", "ability extension", "ability amplification" , "ability intensifcation", or even "ability manipulation" would sound better. - Tristan0709 talk 00:41, 16 December 2008 (EST)

  • I like Ability Supercharger or Supercharging, and it's used in canon. --Powermimic 00:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Lame name, damn canon. --Matchu 00:58, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • Again, it's a description, not a name. Just like Daphne calls herself a "speedster", Ando is called a "supercharger". And we don't call Daphne's power "speeding" or "speedstering" or anything. A MUCH better name would be "ability amplification". --Ricard Desi 09:29, 16 December 2008 (EST)
      • Yeah--WarGrowlmon18 12:57, 16 December 2008 (EST)
        • This Wiki's supposed to be at least a little professional, it was named Ability Augementaion in the first place, leave it at that. Supercharging sounds misunderstandable and really cheesy, Matt Parkman never calls his ability Telepathy so why are we not doing the same and proffestionally naming Ando's Abilty?
          • It's professional in that we follow a strict naming convention. But honestly, is supercharging that bad? I really don't have any problem with it at all. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 14:37, 19 December 2008 (EST)

New Image

  • We need an image of Ando and Daphne teleporting back. That's the best visual representation of this ability. --DarkPhoenix 22:35, 15 December 2008 (EST)
    • Agreed. Especially the shot where he completely envelops Daphne. I think that'd be ideal. (Admin 22:40, 15 December 2008 (EST))

Ability augmentation

The page for ability augmentation seems to have been erased and replaced with only a redirect. Would an administrator please restore the history so we can consider what to and not to add to this page? Thanks.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:01, 16 December 2008 (EST)

  • <grumble> I'm a little lost. I did what I thought was restoring the page. It said "If you restore the page, all revisions will be restored to the history. If a new page with the same name has been created since the deletion, the restored revisions will appear in the prior history. Also note that restrictions on file revisions are lost upon restoration." Okay. But so now I don't see where the history is. If you start here, you can scroll through and see the diffs for the history, up to the last one before it was made into a redirect. If anybody can figure out where the history is, I'd really like to know. </grumble> -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:22, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • <sigh> Nevermind. It came back after a bit of time. Here it is. Maybe it's a caching thing? Dunno. Oh well! </sigh> -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:24, 16 December 2008 (EST)
      • Cool, thanks for the quick restore. Could be caching thing and/or it might just be that the server requires some process time to rebuild the information from the older version of the file.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:31, 16 December 2008 (EST)
        • No problem. In the future, keep in mind that it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to check every edit to the wiki. I gave up somewhere around Five Years Gone, and I gave up scrolling through ever edit summary on the recent changes some time this season. If there's something you'd like restored or deleted, feel free to drop me a note on my talk page. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:45, 16 December 2008 (EST)
        • User:Shadowulf1 09:27, 16 December 2008 (EST) why was this ability changed from ability augmentation; it was a great page, it made sense and all. just because he said he can supercharge abilities, that doesn't mean you should change the name of the power... Don't have to be so literal in ability naming

So Ando's ability lets him...

be the ultimate sidekick? --Piemanmoo 05:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)

  • Exactly. :X--Riddler 07:21, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • That's just what I was thinking... but I'd love to see how supercharging effects time-space manipulation --Punxas 10:46, 16 December 2008 (EST)
      • I have a theory about that, which might be why Hiro was killed in the future... Ando's ability slows down time for the opponent so much that they just... die? Eh, it's kinda hard to explain, but it makes sense in my head. :P Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:13, 16 December 2008 (EST)
        • I would think that Ando's ability would let Hiro perform inter-dimensional travel... I guess we'll have to wait till about Volume 5 for Hiro to get his powers back to see who's right.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:15, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • He still has little control over his ability, so he might discover something new later on --Rod 23:12, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • I was thinking the same . would this mean if he used his ability on knox for example (because its my user name , and yes i know he is dead now) would knox then be able to 'smell' the fear of people over the world and would this give him unreal strength.... Would it have an effect on everyones abilitys such as Phasing and Invisibity?? --Knox_1992 00:06, 18 December 2008 (EST)
    • phasing and invisibility have troubled me as well, invisibly and phasing could be the same ability i think, or perhaps they dont need super charging??? it may do nothing, if invisibility is super charged then perhaps he is not made to any of the senses? and phasing supercharged would mean he wouldn't have to concentrate on the object he's phasing though/ be able to phase things out of himself... No with rapid cellular regeneration i don't know what would happen, perhaps a very quick regeneration, e,g an instant lib???? Also just to add, I think Hiro will get his ability back by Ando and Daphne will go back and get Hiro an formula... Fred1793 09:37, 18 December 2008 (EST)

So this begs the question...

1. What does this power do to normal humans? 2. How does this kill Hiro in the exposed future? --Ricard Desi 09:30, 16 December 2008 (EST)

The only offensive use of this ability I can think off is to accelerate someone's metabolism to the point it overworks and the person crashes, but that's highly speculative. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)

User:Shadowulf1 10:17, 16 December 2008 (EST) I don't think it kills Hiro; I think he saw being zapped as being a bad thing, when in fact Ando may have jumpstarted his powers.

Well, Hiro said he saw future Ando kill him, it's possible he was mistaken. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:24, 16 December 2008 (EST)

1) I'm going to go ahead and just assume that his ability has NO affect on normal humans
2) It's unlikely that that future exists anymore for several reasons, One is that Ando's power is, as far as we can tell, essentially non offensive. Another is that Future Ando killed future Hiro for the formula, we can assume, which is now gone. Now, I'm not sure exactly how power granting really works, which means we don't know if the future Ando would have gotten a different power than Present Ando, though that seems likely. If Daphne and Matt's assessments on how powers are related to someone's particular personality, it's possible that future Ando had a different agenda, say, the desire to actually be able to do something, or for revenge, and therefore could have obtained a different power tha the present Ando, who just wants to help (hence supercharging). It's also possible that the coloring and effect that is used for Ando's supercharging, was a nod from the producers to his previously shown power, and was possibly used to make some suspense as to whether or not that future MIGHT occur (before the audience realizes that his power is different in actuality). Pyrotics 10:44, 16 December 2008 (EST)
And in that future the formula existed and granted people powers. The formula was destroyed by Peter, Flint and Hiro so that can now never be. Also Sylar, if he survived, has gone over to the Dark Side again and I think Peter prevented Claire from joining Pinehearst by his sky-diving adventure in Eras Quad Some or whatever the hell its called. Also Pinehearst has been destroyed so there is no Pinehearst to join.--WarGrowlmon18 13:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • I don't think Future Ando actually killed him. Hiro's his best friend. We didn't get that scene in context. Perhaps he only pretended to kill him like Hiro pretended to kill him in order to protect him. Also that may have been before the writters decided to make Ando a super-charger.--WarGrowlmon18 12:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • If his ability allows him to increase the adrenaline production inside a person, then he can do what the injected adrenaline did to Meredith and increase powers, and doing so to a normal person would explode their heart and kill them :\ -- Cael 15:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • i completely agree with cael, couldn't we make the logical jump and assume that "super charging" could affect people in a negative way or maybe he can choose what gets enhanced,like powers or metabolism or heart rate, if thats the case there is plenty of offensive capability for ando, so he very well could have killed future hiro although i don't think thats the case.--DEADEYE 00:31, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • Matt merely touched Ando and when he recieved a supercharge at first it look like it hurt him as he fell to his knees, now that was only a single touch. In the future Ando blasted Hiro with it, he's had 4 years of experience, so he probably knows what he is capable of and how to overload someone so much that they shutdown (or in the case of his best friend, knock them out)--Anthony Gooch 00:51, 17 December 2008 (EST)
  • I think we need to remember that now, Hiro has no powers, so he may not have them in the future. So isn't it possible that Ando's ability has to access some fundamental part of a special's DNA? And isn't it possible that if someone did not have this DNA thing, then the supercharging lightning would have nowhere to go, and simply destroy their brain? JHero 10:45, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Seperate Future Ando's power from this

I definetly think that we should seperate the two. Unless we KNOW (as in, we are shown) that he can use his power in such a way as to "zap" someone and "kill" them (which is not really a logical jump from super charging powers...), Future Ando's ability should not be listed on Ability Supercharging, since the only time it's used, he kills or otherwise harms Hiro, which isn't supercharging... At the very least, the ability he shows is not an accurate depiction of what we understand "Ability Supercharging" to be. Futures change, and the powers someone might get, could possibly change as well (I discussed this earlier). Pyrotics 11:13, 16 December 2008 (EST)

  • The show has made it pretty clear so far that every person has a single latent ability. On top of that, we have no evidence to claim that they are separate powers. We've seen only two uses of it so far, we don't yet know the extent of the ability. --Ricard Desi 11:21, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • The show has also implied that a hero's power is not just a product of their genetics, but also their life experiences and disposition (Tracy and Niki are identically genetically, but they manefest radically different abilities.) Its quite possible that because of the different experiences Ando and Future Ando have, their abilities manefest differently. DeviantScythe 11:34, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Considering that they look pretty similar (both red and electrically), and that we don't know that much about them/it, I think we should keep them merged until we have reason to beleive they're seperate abilities. Personally, I wouldn't be suprised if present Ando could do what the future him could do.--BardinessBoy 16:22, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • It's the same ability! And he could kill or harm Hiro if he focused a very powerful blast, overcharging him. --Powermimic 18:44, 16 December 2008 (EST)
    • I agree that Ando could overtax a person's brain/heart/body/whatever with this power. Abilities, when overtaxed, have been shown to cause damage to the user: Peter opening the safe in Powerless, Matt breaking through the Haitian's "interference" in the Primatech parking lot, Doyle when fighting for control of Sylar, etc. When Ando touched Matt, he could hear every thought in the city, but it caused him a lot of pain. This could be from the overload of thoughts, Ando's ability, or both. Large amounts of telepathic information have hurt Matt before. When Daphne was supercharged(which, as I type this, seems like a ridiculous way to describe it), she didn't really appear to be in any pain- just surprised. From what we know of the future, we've been led to believe that the ability killed Future Hiro, though many of us are now unsure as to whether he was actually killed. One last note. Hiro's powers have enormous implications and, as such, have shown many dangers and restrictions. When he tried to save Charlie, he was forcibly brought back to the present, his powers weakened. "Fate" seems to have a role in how his power works. If Ando's ability put Space-Time manipulation into overdrive, causing him to try and teleport too far, many times in succession, or to/in a time/way that "Fate" didn't like, it could have just killed him(or fried his brain from overexerting his powers like Matt Neuberg). At this point, we really can't say one way or the other. Both ideas(the ability killed Hiro OR the ability was different because Future Ando was different), as far as we can tell, are completely plausible. There's nothing for it but to wait for the next BTE. *sigh*... ~~Darmenos 18:34, 16 December 2008 (EDT)
      • I don't want to think about the paradoxes supercharged space-time manipulation would create. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:48, 16 December 2008 (EST)
        • Well i thought that the super charged hiro wouldn't necessarily manipulate time as much as i thought that maybe teleporting would be a better fit for what was going on, like teleporting all of tokyo to safety or the entire population of the world for instance--DEADEYE 00:17, 17 December 2008 (EST)

SFX. is it just me...

Or did the effects, especially the pink color, used in Dual look totally 1980's?--SacValleyDweller (talk) 20:33, 16 December 2008 (EST)

  • It's not just you. The effect did remind me of Tron. I liked that, though, and am totally looking forward to seeing Ando put his ability to other uses. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Different Name?

Is the name "Ability superchargeing canon? Because it sounds really stupid. I'm not going to lie. Ability Amplification is a better fit IMO. --BlueRavenBoy 21:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Read the naming convention box at the top. It's canon. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 21:04, 16 December 2008 (EST)
  • Yeah, it is. I think it was Matt who said that Ando could supercharge people's abilities, or something to that effect. But he definitely said "supercharge" or "supercharging". Hopefully we'll get a better name soon after volume 4 starts.--BardinessBoy 21:06, 16 December 2008 (EST)
      • I'm going to repeat my earlier sentiments. Daphne calls herself a "speedster", but we never labeled her power as "speeding" or "speedstering" or anything like that. It was a description. They called Ando "some kind of supercharger". That is clearly a description. I feel this does not outweigh basic common sense as to what this power is. --Ricard Desi 01:53, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I agree with BlueRavenBoy. I think it should be Ability Amplification. It sounds more official, whereas Ability supercharging sounds like a little kid came up with it. --Catalyst 19:23, 20 January 2009 (EST)

If Peter...

If Peter were to absorb Ando's ability, could he super charge his own abilities? Seeing as it is done by touch, this is an interesting question.

Possibly, as far as we know, Ando can supercharge any ability, if Peter was to have this, I can see him supercharging himself if necessary, my question is whether he can choose which ability to supercharge, like the Haitian is capable of selecting which ability he dampens, or if he'd supercharge all of them. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 06:54, 18 December 2008 (EST)
  • Either way, it doesn't matter because if he increased them all but used only one what difference would it make the real question is if he would be covered in red energy like when Daphne was supercharged.EmpathicMimic0
    • The basics of their powers, and the immedeat effects seem to be one-in-the-same. However, Ando can only 'charge' specials for a short time, while DL's mother could permanently strengthen or alter abilities. If Ando were to charge somebody like Adam, he would onyl heal faster, if Paulette were to charge him, the effects would remain permantent if she wanted it to. So their powers are nothing more than two varations of one another. in another example, if Ando charged Knox then he would absorb far more ambient emotions than just in the immedat area. If she used it on hime, he would not only be able to absorb more, but also become, if she wanted him to, become a progenitor of fear by mere presence alone. So unless Ando hasn't fully learnt to use his power than their powers are only very similar, like Peter's empath abilities and Sylar's intuitive strengths. User:Halfbreed1426
      • We don't know if DL's mother ability had permanent effects, it's true that Lewis stayed as a forest, but the nature of his ability would be responsible for that, not Paulette's ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:19, 27 February 2009 (EST)
        • Ture, but don't forget that she was killed after strengthening Lewis's set of abilities, plus they from the company used her only once cos they only needed to once, meaning that it is likley that she could permanently alter peoples powers, raising their control index and phisical percentage rates. User:Halfbreed1426
          • That's completely speculative, there's no way we can say the Company used her only once, that they needed her only once or that her ability has permanent effects, there's barely any information on her, you're just assuming things based on speculations. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:22, 28 February 2009 (EST)


Does anyone remember that BTE where they blamed red lightning for the destruction of Tokyo? Maybe Future Ando accidentally (or purposely) activated an earthquake/explosion power. Psilaq Remake 21:34, 16 December 2008 (EST)

My point - If Peter touches Ando, he will JUST have the same power and logically could supercharge them... I dont think that its applicable to him self... [sorry] One thing, Im so POSITIVE if Ando touches Pete... he could max his single-power into multi-powers like before. Thanks - ChanPH --ChanPH 09:58, 20 February 2009 (EST)