Talk:Jessica Sanders

Need for Page

• I'm not sure if we need this article yet. It's already noted at Niki Sanders, and since we have no confirmation that it's the character's name in-show yet, it's probably better to leave it as a note for now.--Hardvice 12:09, 4 November 2006 (EST)
  • Hmm... For my own part I'm on the fence here. On one hand, you're absolutely right. On the other hand we could place "Jessica" specific details here in preparation for when they actually reveal her name in the series and if the name changes we can just rename. I think as more people read blogs and message boards they'll start searching for Jessica so it would be nice to have something here ready for them. Any other opinions out there? (Admin 20:02, 4 November 2006 (EST))

Category Sort Order

• I want to try to get this article to appear next to the Niki Sanders page in the Category:Evolved Humans listing. However, since "Jessica" was not created with a last name, if I put "|Sanders, Jessica" in the Category definition, it makes the Jessica article appear out of place. Suggestions? Or should this article remain in the "J" section? --Orne 00:42, 11 November 2006 (EST)
  • I suppose we could do the same trick as the disambiguation... we could create a new page "Jessica Sanders", copy all the information from "Jessica" into "Jessica Sanders", put the sorting "|Sanders, Jessica" on the article so it comes in close proximity to "|Sanders, Niki", then put an redirect from "Jessica" into "Jessica Sanders". All of this is predicated on: does Jessica actually think of herself as Jessica Sanders, or as an entirely different person? --Orne 00:45, 11 November 2006 (EST)
    • Rather than creating a new article and cutting and pasting, just use the Move feature. This will automatically move the article, the associated Talk page, as well as create a redirect from the old name to the new name. That being said, I'd currently vote for leaving "Jessica" as the canonical name of the article and creating "Jessica Sanders" as a redirect if we need it since we don't know for certain that Jessica's last name is Sanders, so it'd be better off as a redirect at this point in my opinion. This is assuming there's no simple way to fudge the Category listing so that the names appear next to each other as is. (Admin 01:02, 11 November 2006 (EST))
      • Besides, everybody knows Jessica's last name is "Sylar". everybody drink--Hardvice (talk) 01:07, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Jessica (the alter-ego) vs Jessica (the sister)

• Last night, it was revealed that Niki had a sister named Jessica, who passed away at the age of 11. Niki was then abused by her father, and developed a repressed split personality which she also named Jessica. I'm worried about changing "Jessica" to a diambiguation page since it is referenced practically everywhere, but what do you all think would be the right way of handling this? Maybe a new page with "Jessica Sanders (deceased)"? --Orne 11:35, 28 November 2006 (EST)
  • I'm thinking that, for now, we can just keep them both on the same page. It hasn't been made 100% clear that Jessica is just a split personality (I know, I know--it seems pretty obvious, but technically she could still be possessed or something based on the information we have, even though I really, really hope she isn't). Once it's made more clear, we can deal with it accordingly. My first choice, though it would be the most work, would be to put the Jessica-split-personality info in Niki Sanders and make Jessica Sanders a page about the dead sister, with a note about the alternate personality and a link to her sections on Niki's page. We'd have to change about a zillion links, but it would be the most clear.--Hardvice (talk) 12:33, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • Agreed. There's still a lot to learn about Jessica and Niki. Niki is definitely an evolved human, though she has only exhibited signs of it as Jessica. Perhaps she has a power that she can summon the dead, and not just Niki. Who knows. Bottom line: leave it the way it is, and let's see what happens. Ultimately, there's not going to be an easy way to distinguish the two, because it's a complex relationship that's taken the entire series to explain, and even then not fully. It's just going to have to be one of those confusing things... Ryangibsonstewart 12:51, 28 November 2006 (EST)
  • I would note that in Six Months Ago, Niki's alter ego confronted Hal Sanders and named herself Jessica, his daughter. They may or may not be the same 'soul' (there are various fan theories about). I would agree to leave them as one page for now as the alter ego believes she is the sister that was killed. More information will be revealed in the future. (Jared 1733, 29 November 2006)
• Perhaps related to the "alter ego vs. dead sister" discussion above, I inserted a note that the Jessica alter ego sees Micah as her son, as well. While this may muddy the above discussion, I believe it is an important piece of information for those that think on where they fall on that question. (Jared 1733, 29 November 2006)

Dead Sister's Info in Character Box

• This seems like speculation to me. We really don't know if Jessica is the dead sister or just an alternate personality. It's probably best to leave the dead sister's info out until we have more information.--Hardvice (talk) 02:55, 3 December 2006 (EST)
  • I'm uncertain what you are referring to, or the changes you would like to see. Currently, both Niki's alter ego and her dead sister are detailed on this page. Removing the dead sister info would necessitate our splitting the Jessica page into two separate pages. The reason I would say hold off on that for now is the fact that the alter ego named herself as the dead sister to Hal Sanders. Even if the alter ego is not truly Jessica Sanders, the dead sister, she believes she is and seems to have memories that Jessica would and Niki might not (how Hal killed her). (Jared 1300, 3 December 2006 (EST))
    • This is one of those tough distinctions that will never be completely cut and dry. The fact is, Niki has an alter-ego, and Niki also has a deceased sister. I do believe the two should stay on the same page, and we should simply distinguish between them when necessary (like in the info box). Just my opinion - if we change it, I'm not really opposed, either - but I think the info from Jessica (the sister)'s grave needs to be noted somewhere. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2006 (EST)

What if?

I always thought it would be something if Peter got close to Niki/Jessica. Jessica is not really a "power" like flying, but it is definatly something. This glitch in logic would set up a good uluru change. But what if Jessica was in Peters body.... just for a second. The idea would be pretty crazy.

We learned in Run! from Matt that there are two distinct different thought processes coming out of Niki/Jess. Though the guy is still relatively new to the mind reading game, he's had it for at least six months now. I'd imagine he could tell the difference between a person talking to themselves and two distinct psychic signatures. For lack of a better phrase, he 'sensed' two distinct minds on the other side of that wall. One thing we have to look forward to that should greatly reveal the nuts and bolts of what makes Niki/Jess work is when she gets in Peter's proximity. If he doesn't develop a separate personality himself, we'll know for sure that has nothing to do with her special ability. However, for dramatic purposes, were I writing this, I'd have Peter develop an alter with Jessica's more amoral tendencies anyway. Just cuz it'd be a lot of fun. Peter just getting super strength would be boring, but if it came along with an anti-Peter... Come to think of it, isn't Jess paying Nathan a visit next week in New York? Ooh this is gonna be good! -- ZachsMind 14:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)

So if Niki's alter ego was named after her sister, if Peter developed a similar dark side, would it be named Nathan? --Piemanmoo 17:43, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Gallery

Can we get a picture showing Jessica's tattoo for the gallery? The one with her talking to Niki in the mirror with the Symbol shown would be good, I think. --Ted C 17:24, 7 February 2007 (EST)

• You mean like this one?--Hardvice (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2007 (EST)
  • That's a good one! --Ted C 09:53, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Released from prison?

It still seems a bit odd that Niki/Jessica could be released from prison so easily. Even given that Linderman got someone else to confess to the murders she committed outside of prison, she has still has at least two counts of assault and battery against her IN prison (the broken nose guard and Dr. Witherson). Assuming she refused bail, I don't see any reason (beyond a rather hamfisted plot point... sigh) that the prison system would let her out. --Ted C 12:03, 8 February 2007 (EST)

You're right. I think that was purposely left very vague and odd to create a bit of mystery. Left as is, it would seem ham-fisted. There's obviously a lot to learn about Linderman, his organization, and the power he wields. I have a feeling in the coming weeks, there's going to be a lot of aha! moments. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:21, 8 February 2007 (EST)

The build up is that Linderman is very influential as well as quite untouchable. I have my own theories of who Linderman actually is but we still don't know enough. Suffice to say s/he's into blackmail and influencing people to do things his/her way. S/He may not have had to just pay Jessica's way out of jail. S/He simply had a number of strings to pull - people in high up positions who have no choice but to do what s/he says. As Jess is fond of saying, what Linderman wants Linderman gets. His/her/its influence probably delves deeply into a wide range of industries and political sectors. There's also more than one way to hide behind a mask, and Linderman's apparently grasped that concept early on. In fact, whoever the writers tell is us Linderman when they do, I would not be surprised to find that out to be a ruse later on. Someone posing as Linderman to protect the real Linderman. Think Queen Amidala. -- ZachsMind 14:25, 14 February 2007 (EST)

Portuguese Links

...are going to the main page, not the article page. Not sure why.--Hardvice (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Great T-shirt for Niki / Jessica

Wouldn't this be a great t-shirt for niki / jessica? http://www.hemmy.net/images/arts/dualmeaning04.jpg --AverageMan 12:34, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

• Great find--ambigrams are my favorite. I'm such a dork, but I've created an ambigram for each member of my family. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:52, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
• It would go nicely with this doormat.--Hardvice (talk) 14:59, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Dang, I can't view that one at work--"R Rated". I'll check it at home. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:24, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
    • That's rediculous. Guess it's the site. It says "Go away" and "Come in" on a doormat--Bob 15:27, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
      • Yeah, I know. They also block me from even viewing Image:CaseyZSmith MySpace.JPG because it says "MySpace". I mean, I can't even see the image in a gallery. Rrgh. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
• Ha, ambigrams are funny. Still, I wonder if Niki was in control if she would wear the Love or Hate shirt. It would be funny to see her in the love shirt and Jessica pouting in the mirror in the hate shirt. --AverageMan 19:26, 25 April 2007 (EDT)