Talk:Phoenix mimicry

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Where is the info coming from. I know the ability creator is on the wiki, but can we use information that they give us about the ability or are we restricted to what we see (or read about in the istory). --mc_hammark 12:29, 4 November 2009 (EST)

• I think it should be restricted to what we see or read in the istory otherwise people could write whatever they want - Jenx222 | U / T / C 12:35, 4 November 2009 (EST)
  • Heroes survival is secondary source so I think we can use the information from that. --mc_hammark 12:39, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • Ye, but I don't think we should go creating pages for all these crazy abilities when we haven't even seen them in action, and it's very doubtful that we will - Jenx222 | U / T / C 12:46, 4 November 2009 (EST)

WORST ABILITY EVER

I hate this iStory and it's ability to create terrible abilities! Come on, this is one of the most out-there powers ever! Honestly! -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:12, 4 November 2009 (EST)

• I comeplety agree, i always hated Istory but you cant do this, its like 4 abilities 1 one abilty but the worst thing about it its that an freaking phoenix never existed --Yoshi n1 15:21, 4 November 2009 (EST)
  • Well, it's not really a terrible ability. I would love to have it over several other abilities, but I also don't like fan-made abilities that have several different abilities in one. And as Yoshi said, pheonix's don't exist. But i suppose its existance doesn't matter. --mc_hammark 15:41, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • The iStory needs to pick abilities that actually make sense. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:45, 4 November 2009 (EST)
      • Also giving the guy Ability Replication??? A little much dontcha think??? I liked how the abilities Peter got (empathic mimickry and ability replication) seemed to his own with no one else getting them as well.--WarGrowlmon18 16:50, 4 November 2009 (EST)
        • They should have named his ability something else, but that's what you get when fans pick... -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 16:52, 4 November 2009 (EST)
          • Ah, but the thing with empathic mimicry is, there is another person who has it, we viewers just didn't follow them. Remember Claude said to Peter "great an empath" or something like that, implying there are others with that ability. Oh, and in the istory, one of the brothers also says something about "you mimics" implying that he too knows other mimics. --mc_hammark 16:54, 4 November 2009 (EST)
            • Yeah I knew that, I don't care if someone else has the same ability, it's just that his ability replication is so much more different than Peter's. The five elements? WTF? That's how we end up with stupid abilities like this one... -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 16:57, 4 November 2009 (EST)
              • Empathic mimicry is a unique ability, very rarely/never seen. And people just want to copy it. I was never into the Istories myself and agree they should pick one's that make a bit more sense...or even better yet, have them more realistic to what abilities we have had in the episodes.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:58, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                • I like the concept of Heroes Survival (I don't play it though) but the whole "Your character could end up in the show/graphic novels/iStory" is a really bad idea. People start making impossible, unrealistic, and most of the time pointless abilities. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs
                  • Even when they don't, they copy real abilities, or just create a new ability that does the same thing as another (Dimension abilities). Illusion was a unique ability too. But now about four people have it due to the Istories. Sometimes I wish the I stories didn't exist. It gets complicated in my opinion. And just because who ever has 2000 points in the game doesn't mean they should get in. It's the writers decisions on what to put in the Heroes world, not the fans amount points in a game. Hate to sound a bit cruel if I do, but it just doesn't sound right to me.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:09, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                    • First i thought like, ok i dont like Istory but who cares, but now they are crossing a line.--Yoshi n1 17:11, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                      • Actually Catalyst, the two guys with illusion are not fan created. Plus, it is unrealistic to assume that abilities can be unique to one person. Also, the amount of points doesn't really factor into who is choosen much from what I have seen. But, while I do enjoy the iStories (mostly), they really do need to pick people more carefully and make sure the abilities make sense. Phoenix Mimicry is crossing the line, and I think it needs to be deleted and moved into pyrokinesis.--Ratclaws 17:29, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                        • Ok, my mistake there :/ , And I thought points mattered, as I see the highest "point-ed" people there have pages here. And yes, it sounds good to just have it be Pyrokinesis.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:32, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                          • I think they go though the top 100 or something. Also Dorph or Dolph or whatever his name is needs to be removed from ability replacation and given something else. His version violates what we really know about that ability.-Ratclaws 17:44, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                            • On his character page it says claircognizence or something like that as his original ability.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:45, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                              • Lol, if we are going to give Draph an other page for his abilty replication then why dont you do Knox's abilty remove from enhanced strenght too. (Im not a big fan that Knox's abilty still ist changed into feared strenght..)--Yoshi n1 17:49, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                                • Claircognizance has already been made. Sadly it appears that Draph has more than one ability. Grrrr.... I do not like this at all. Lets just say he has that friggen mouthfull of a power, and he can absorb abilites though it, switch Phoenix mimicry to pyrokinsis (cause I don't remember him rising from the ashes like a phoenix, do any of you?), and forget he ever existed.--Ratclaws 17:56, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                                  • Just be glad not all abilities listed in his page were made into articles. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:57, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                                    • Lol why dont we just boycot him and delete him so all the creators know that this REALLLLY IS BAD i mean i though Maya was bad but she maked sense, but this is just bullshit..--Yoshi n1 18:13, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                                      • Because he did appear in the Istory and has to have a page.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:59, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                                        • Yeah, but lets at least stop him from infecting other pages, and making total BS ones. Like Phoenix mimicry. All we saw was him create fire, so lets get rid of this page and move it to pryokinsis.--Ratclaws 18:06, 4 November 2009 (EST)
                                          • Yeah lets do that, Because this way we are helping to screw heroes up.--Yoshi n1 18:13, 4 November 2009 (EST)

So I guess we start a consensus to see who is in favor of the move to pyrokinesis?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:19, 4 November 2009 (EST)

• Seconded.--Ratclaws 18:23, 4 November 2009 (EST)
  • I agree with a consensus, but I also think we need a higher diplomatic power here, and by higher diplomatic power, I mean Ryan. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:24, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • That seems right.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:25, 4 November 2009 (EST)
      • I vote for moving it to pyrokinesis--Yoshi n1 18:27, 4 November 2009 (EST)
        • I agree-- By Danko CH 19:26, 4 November 2009 (EST)
          • But his fire power, as much as I hate it, is listed on his HSG page as Phoenix Mimicry. I think we have to keep it. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 20:25, 4 November 2009 (EST)

The Creator's interpretation

This is Draphoenix, the apparent terrible person who made Draph. Here are my thoughts.

1) If you change it to Pyrokinesis, thats...fine. If its that terrible of an ability, then change it. But here is the thing about combining abilities into one new ability. Look at Telepathy, originally that is to read people's thoughts. But then, Parkman got to implant illusions into people's mind. If your argument is held, then you must also condemn Parkman for having illusion and hearing thoughts, memory erasing, and even drawing the future.

2) I heard someone say that there is no such thing as a phoenix. And people who can fly exist? Come on, its fantasy people. And look towards X-men, Jean Grey turns into "The Phoenix." Just because it doesn't exist, doesn't mean it cannot be used.

3) Granted it was derived from Survival, the writers still chose Draph, DEAL WITH IT. If they thought he was overpowered or anything, they could have said so. After all, they contacted me THREE weeks before publication. That would have been enough time for me to change it to something "more reasonable."

4) Remember Claude said to Peter "great an empath" or something like that, implying there are others with that ability. Oh, and in the istory, one of the brothers also says something about "you mimics" implying that he too knows other mimics. —mc_hammark

Great Point

5) Moreover, difference's in ability is irrelevant. As said before by someone, Knox and Niki had TOTALLY different different enhanced strengths, just like Ando and Hawkins has radically different Ability Supercharging.

6) If it pleases the masses, turn it to pyrokinesis. But Ability Replication must stay. It is central to the story Draph had. And if you take away that, you take away one of the reasons the writers might have brought him in.