Talk:Timeline/Archive:OldTimeline

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This page is fantastic! Are you going to add this to the main site, or are you working on it apart from everything else? Ryangibsonstewart 02:21, 27 November 2006 (EST)

• Mohinder's opening scene in Genesis is labeled "3 days ago". Would that make it ... September 27? That would make Chandra's death sometime around Sep 26 or 27.--Hardvice (talk) 23:56, 29 November 2006 (EST)

• Yes, good catch! Sounds right to me... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:54, 30 November 2006 (EST)

• something about this page confuses me and makes my eyes hurt! Heroe

Time to do some formatting work on this page?

I tried looking something up on the Timeline just now, and I feel that it has a layout that is far from easy to read. It has great content, and I feel it really deserves a brush-up. I was thinking something adapting a stricter hierarchy of headings where you have years, months and days as subsequently lower level headings. That way it would be much easier to get a feeling for how time elapses. Cuardin 11:48, 14 January 2007 (EST)

I'm not opposed to that idea - I think it would be kind of helpful. Why don't you go ahead and make some edits, and we'll see how it looks. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:07, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Ok, I went throught it really fast and I think it is better now. However, there was one thing I am not sure if I did right. The GN Turning Point was labled July 2006, and I assumed that was a type meaning July 2005. Otherwise it is a future episode. -- Cuardin 16:09, 14 January 2007 (EST)

No, it wasn't a typo. The beginning of the graphic novel says it takes place "Three months ago", which would be July. As for the year, the bulk of the show takes place in 2006. For instance, Claire's Homecoming Dance is on October 11th, 2006, not 2005. This needs to be fixed in the timeline. (See Nathan's receipt to confirm the year.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk)

OK, I placed a 2006 where I think it belongs. If the show takes place in the fall of 2006 then this should be more or less right. -- Cuardin 16:33, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Looks right to me. I still think the page needs a lot of help, but I like that you made the TOC a bit more ... understandable. I don't have any other suggestions, though. Maybe a table? Dunno. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:49, 14 January 2007 (EST)

What I would really like to see is some form of graphic timeline, but for that we need some form of dynamic scripts so that the user can colapse and expand dates and events. In some digital encyclopedias, like Encarta, I've seen this sort of thing done very well, but never on the internet unfortunately. Cuardin 01:42, 15 January 2007 (EST)

Check out this discussion about some software called EasyTimeline (and its help pages) that Admin installed. If you can figure it out, it could be very useful. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2007 (EST)

See Timeline/Test for testing w/ EasyTimeline. --Orne 12:43, 15 January 2007 (EST)

OK, I did some laboratory work on the timeline, and after having read through the help available, I unfortunately think that the EasyTimeline isn't nearly as powerfull as we need it to be. Tha fact that it can't label axis with anything but years is a major setback. Unless we find something more flexible, I think we should stick to the format we have. It isn't so very pretty, but at least it is absolutely clear what we are saying. -- Cuardin 14:50, 15 January 2007 (EST)

One more thing about this timeline. Would it be possible to have a template that indents subsections? The TOC looks really great, but the text is still just one long linear mess. It would be nice if everything that is part of a section si indented, and then everything that is part of a subsection is indented twice and so on. Preferably in a way that does not require manual coding. Is it possible? -- Cuardin 04:55, 16 January 2007 (EST)

I think it is possible by adjusting the style sheets of the page, which we cannot do. So, that leaves it as a manual job. We could do it with Tables, or with the HTML Definition List element. --Orne 09:33, 16 January 2007 (EST)

<DL><DT>Title</DT><DD>Definition</DD></DL>

It is just that as soon as people start doing fancy HTML in wikis, things get unmaintainable fast. Just look at the Theories page. Sure, the code is readable, but just barely. -- Cuardin 01:44, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Homecoming

• The episode Homecoming keeps mentioning the homecoming game and then the dance. Wouldn't that be more likely to be a Friday (Oct. 20) than a Sunday (Oct. 22)? Where did the 22nd date come from? --Fcphantom 01:39, 30 November 2006 (EST)
  • Well, 3 weeks from Monday the 1st... I don't like it either, High School Homecomings are almost always a Friday or a Saturday. --Orne 11:36, 30 November 2006 (EST)
    • She probably just didn't mean "three weeks" literally. If something was happening 19-20 days from now, I'd say "three weeks", even though it's not 3 weeks to the day. Of course, that makes our job harder (and quite likely impossible)--Hardvice (talk) 11:46, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Hiro's Return

• Is it safe to assume Hiro returned to the present on Oct 22 if he had to fly from Japan and take a bus? I'm guessing he probably came back at least a day early.--Hardvice (talk) 13:05, 30 November 2006 (EST)
  • Reading comprehension is hard.--Hardvice (talk) 13:07, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Time between Charlie's murder and Homecoming

In Claire's blog on her myspace page it suggests that there is a week or two between Charlie's murder and Homecoming.

Friday, November 17, 2006 Homecoming

--Level 14:22, 30 November 2006 (EST)

• Claire's blog isn't the show, though. Was Ando really sitting there in the diner for a week or two? Would they really allow that?--Hardvice (talk) 14:28, 30 November 2006 (EST)
  • I don't buy that Ando was waiting more than 24 hours, though I'm speculating, of course... Is Claire's blog considered canon now? Hope not ... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2006 (EST)
    • It's an interesting question. I'm thinking that Claire's blog is part of the show, seeing as it was originally an easter egg from the graphic novels. Seems a little odd for NBC to point to a fanboy site directly like that. Then again, it might be like the Lost diary, which was connected to the show.. but wasn't canon (turned out it was being written by several different folks who worked backstage at the show). - Yoshie (talk) 10:35, 30 December 2006 (EST)
      • In a weird way, we have an advantage in that the main NBC site for Heroes itself has proven unreliable, what with, y'know, claiming DL was the Haitian and all. I'd say we can safely ignore anything that comes from NBC.--Hardvice (talk) 12:18, 29 December 2006 (EST)
        • DL as the Haitian? When did that happen? - Yoshie (talk) 13:51, 29 December 2006 (EST)
          • The caption for this photo used to read "...but she's right. DL—Mr. Bennet's cleaner—hides just around the corner." It was laughed up pretty badly at the time.--Hardvice (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2006 (EST)
            • Hrm, I hadn't heard that. :) - Yoshie (talk) 15:04, 29 December 2006 (EST)
      • Although there was some evidence on the show that hinted there was more time, it was disproven in Fallout. -Level 14:44, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Self-consistency Theory

• I'm glad the self-consistency theory was added to the timeline page - it's a pretty important concept to the show, and adds to Hiro's character (I think a blurb about it on Hiro's page is necessary - maybe even a page for the theory itself?) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Consistent Formatting for Dates

I think we need to come up with consistent formatting for dates... I've seen, for instance, 22 October, October 22, and October 22nd. Even on the timeline itself, we have October 14-20, and right below it is is October 20th. I personally vote for the "October 22" model, but whatever... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:33, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Timeline Irregularities

• Mohinder's statement about James Walker, and Zach's statement to Claire that he's "only been (her) friend for two weeks" seem to call the entire timeline into question. James was killed the morning of Don't Look Back, which should be October 2nd (making the date of Mohinder's phone call October 11). Claire and Zach resumed their friendship on October 1st, making their two-week "anniverary" about October 15th. When you discount for "Six Months Ago", both of these statements are roughly consistent with the one episode = one day (or so) approach. I'm thinking the writers are trying to ditch the "homecoming's three weeks away" line, and that's what our entire timeline hinges on. Also, our current timeline means that Hiro and Ando took sixteen days to go from Los Angeles to west Texas.--Hardvice (talk) 13:19, 5 December 2006 (EST)
  • I work at a University - I'll see if I can find someone here who can read the Japanese newspaper and find a date. --Fcphantom 13:22, 5 December 2006 (EST)
    • No good. There's no date (and apparently no mention of sparrows or dragons either). Besides, it was from Six Months Ago so wouldn't have been as helpful as I thought. --Fcphantom 16:32, 5 December 2006 (EST)
  • You make an excellent point, Hardvice. At first, I played it off as a character error - maybe Clair was just estimating, or maybe she didn't count her friendship with Zach from the first day. But I never did the Hiro/Ando math, and that's pretty convincing.
    
    It seems to me that perhaps the writers are dealing with some inconsistencies, and are now, maybe, trying to "cover" themselves. I don't know the best way to deal with this on the timeline, though ... Let's hope we get some more dates (a la Ben telling Jack what day it was on "Lost") in the near future. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:26, 5 December 2006 (EST)
    • Maybe they'll even peruse this wiki and realize we're scrutinizing the timeline and start being very careful about it from now on. ;) (Admin 22:38, 5 December 2006 (EST))
    • I'll try to work out some new dates for this page, based on the information in Fallout. However, I'm going to keep all of the quotes/comments that characters make during the previous shows relating to the passage of time. My personal opinion is the pilot was written several months before the show was picked up full-time, and the script at that time did not properly account for the amount of action that the writers want to occur before the explosion. Incidentally, if the date is Oct 11, and the explosion is Nov 8, that gives them 4 weeks for everyone to make their way to NYC --Orne 11:15, 6 December 2006 (EST)
• What's interesting to me though is that if the date is now Oct 11, that would make Homecoming a Tuesday night, which goes against almost all high school practice. However, it occurs to me that maybe we've been incorrectly thinking that the scene in the school in Homcoming occurs on Homecoming day, when in reality, what we've been seeing is the preparation for homecoming, and the game that the cheerleaders are going to is the Bishop game (which was roughly a week from the first episode). --Orne 11:15, 6 December 2006 (EST)
  • Simone tells Peter that "Homecoming is tonight", though.--Hardvice (talk) 12:36, 6 December 2006 (EST)
    • Shoot, forgot about that... --Orne 13:39, 6 December 2006 (EST)
• The show may be running into problems by inconsistently trying to merge the show's present timeline with the viewer's real time. I noticed this in Claire's Myspace page where she posts as if she is on Winter break now, but the events of her life match the point in time where the show left off. I can only assume that after the new episodes air, her Myspace comments will have to interact with the events of those shows even though they will probably have occurred back in October and November, not January. Then again, the Myspace pages shouldn't really be acceptable data sources for Heroes info.

Moved from Category talk:Timeline

I'm confused. It doesn't seem that the date for the Walker's murder could be correct (we currently have it listed as October 13th). Wasn't the Walker murder scene the first meeting of Matt and Audrey? This would then have to precede the date where Matt meets The Haitian (I'd have to consult the episodes, but would be a few days prior at least, if recollection serves), listed as October 6th. One of these dates is wrong as far as I can tell. Or did the meeting with The Haitian and Matt take place in a flashback? It didn't seem so, the bar scene with The Haitian revolves around Matt playing with his telepathy abilities, which he seemed totally unaware of until right around the time of the FBI situation.

Look at the recap for One Giant Leap. I'll quote what we have there:

1. "Matt aids the FBI in the search for Sylar, then falls prey to a mysterious stranger at a bar."

So something is off. A minor point, but I figure I'll find *something* to be my initial contribution to the wiki!

Xanen 17:41, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Dates in other articles

We have a bunch of dates in other articles, mostly deathdates, which are now incorrect with the current assumed timeline. How should we handle this? Personally, I'd favor making the dates month-only until we get more information and can really lock things down (though I'll bet our current timeline proves to be more accurate).--Hardvice (talk) 02:26, 16 December 2006 (EST)

I think an approx date is fine for now - I'm sure we'll get more info as the series progresses. I just don't want to be the one to have to go through and change all those dates. RyanLazyBonesStewart 02:40, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Heh

I just noticed that our new timeline puts Homecoming (and thus Zach's is-he-or-isn't-he conversation with Claire) on October 11 -- National Coming Out Day. Curious coincidence, or the creators being sneaky?--Hardvice (talk) 02:37, 16 December 2006 (EST)

A little tongue-in-cheek, perhaps. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:41, 16 December 2006 (EST)

Wireless, Part One

"My Tanta braved Auschwitz. My mother waged the war of independence... They played by the rules of engagement and survived."

If Hana was referring to the Israeli War of Independence, which I assume she was, then Zahava would have been in what was more widely known as the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

Oh, and the Six-Day War which Zahava participated in occurred between the 5th and 10th of June, 1967 --Joshtek 09:57, 29 December 2006 (EST)

• If Zahava fought in 1948, that would have made her extremely young, since her mother fought the Nazis in 1945. She fought in the Six-Day War in 1967, as noted in the graphic novel. When Hana refers to the fact that her mother "waged the war of indepence", she was not referring to the Arab-Israeli War of 1948, but the Arab-Israeli war of 1967 (aka the Six-Day War). Hope that helps! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:07, 29 December 2006 (EST)
  • I had just assumed they were just being sloppy with their dates as Hana's grandmother seems to age a bit too much between 1944 and 1989. I thought that it was only the 1948 that was the War of Independence but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. --Joshtek 21:07, 29 December 2006 (EST)
    • Yes, I know - countries should have a cap on how many wars they have each century. sigh. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Cleanup

This page is in serious need of some major cleanup. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:00, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Timeline Confirmation Points

Excellent forum post with some timeline confirmation points we've missed: here Some highlights:

• Nathan's hotel bill covers October 5-6. (Collision, ep. 4, through Hiros, ep. 5)
• The paper Peter reads to Charles from in the dream is dated in November (he says 9th, I can't make it out) -- but it's a dream

We should incorporate this and double-check our dates. He seems to be dead on.--Hardvice (talk) 02:28, 8 January 2007 (EST)

• Except ... the hotel receipt means we lose a day between Don't Look Back (October 2nd) and Collision (October 5th, according to the receipt). The events in One Giant Leap pretty much have to take place in a day: Matt starts off in Audrey's custody and ends up captured by the Haitian. Niki starts off burying the thugs, and ends up being brought in for questioning. Choosing either the 3rd or the 4th causes different problems under this timeline (e.g. Niki's either burying thugs for 24 hours or being brought in by the cop for 24 hours). It could be, as the poster above states, that the events in DLB take place on Oct 2 (Hiro) and Oct 3 (everybody else), but Mr. Bennet's paper pretty clearly reads October 2. This requires more thinking, and maybe plotting out who's where in which episode.--Hardvice (talk) 03:42, 8 January 2007 (EST)
  • Okay, stream of consciousness thinking here - I'm not really suggesting anything, just playing devil's advocate. What if Niki passed out after burying the thugs - for 24 hours. Or Matt is held in custody for 24 hours. Or the Mr. Bennet's paper was a day old.

    I think it's safe to assume that the writers will not necessarily keep all the events of an episode on the same day. The timeline is not exactly linear (see Mohinder's "3 days ago" timeline in Genesis, and all of Six Months Ago).

    Man, you're right - my brain hurts. Calgon, take me away! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:27, 8 January 2007 (EST)

    • Interestingly, Matt tells Ted in 7MtM that he "lost two days" when he blacked out, even though Janice said he was missing for "a whole day" when he turned up. This could account for the missing day. Of course, Niki's timeline in the early episodes is still super broken unless she was passed out with the dead thugs overnight (which I guess is possible). I really need to map these out on a big sheet of butcher paper or something one of these days.--Hardvice (talk) 00:57, 18 January 2007 (EST)

AOTW

I thought this deserved some recognition, thanks to all the hard work you guys put into it. ---- 01:39, 9 January 2007 (EST)

I'm not sure it's ready for AOTW status yet. It still looks messy and is not properly linked. For me, this has just been a "brain dump" area where I just quickly jot down an idea of when something happened. It still needs links and elaboration. And I think we're still figuring out some of the dates. I would wait to put this as an AOTW.

I think a better choice for AOTW is Wireless, Part 3. I believe they've been coming out around 3 am EST on Tuesday morning. Let's wait until the morning to see. And if it doesn't come this week, I would go with another article. Hiro would be a good choice, what with the Golden Globes and all. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:44, 9 January 2007 (EST)

OK, I'll revert it back to GN:Wp2 for now, and if not GN:Wp3; then Hiro. ---- 01:45, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Timeline mess-up

• I think the writer's of the show made a mistake in the timeline. If going by the timeline we have here (which is fairly accurate) then Godsend (which takes place two weeks after Fallout) would take place on October 26. Yet in Godsend, Ando makes reference to the bomb taking place three weeks from then. Three weeks after October 26 would not be November 8 but November 16. How do we fix this issue? FlyingMan 10:54, 28 January 2007 (EST)
  • We have to be careful with approximate dates. For instance, today is Sunday January 28th. If I say something will happen in two weeks, I might mean Sunday February 11th, or somewhere near that date. I could mean February 9th, for instance, or I could mean Valentine's Day. I don't know if we have an exact date for the events in Godsend - But it's definitely somewhere around October 26th. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:08, 28 January 2007 (EST)

We really need to update the timeline

It hasn't been since Fallout! Heroe 23:10, 31 January 2007 (EST)

• I think it could also use some re-organization. Some dates have sources, others don't. It just looks kind of messy. Any thoughts? --Parlemer 16:19, 27 February 2007 (EST)
  • Yeah, I plan to really take this page apart this week ... hopefully. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:38, 28 February 2007 (EST)
• Part of the problem is that the date hasn't been confirmed since Fallout.--Hardvice (talk) 14:13, 28 February 2007 (EST)