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Brave New World

• I thought it was good but i think we will not see a New episode of heroes anymore, but on the good side I think Peter got his old powers back --Skyeatsout 22:06, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • He still has the same old power. But Oh My God that was a great episode! I was pleasently surprised at how it ended. 13/10 in my opinion!--Icefire227 22:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Aww, for a second I thought pete had his powers back

It took me a couple seconds to register that he just grabbed samuel's power after tackling him. How disappointing.Gamerelite1 22:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Yeah, it took me a moment or two to realize this. Especially since Samuel was like "Ah, I see you've got my power now..." 22:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Will Heroes be back for Volume 6, "Brave New World"?

I want to see how the rest of the Heroes Wiki fanbase feels about this. I honestly think we'll get to see at least another season. Hopefully NBC sees the value in all the new stories the writers could come up with, with Sylar turning good and all that. Bad bad Sylar is a hackneyed story by now. 22:10, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• After the conan fiasco, I think they'll be keeping heroes. Doesn't make sense to get rid of a show that still makes money when they don't have anything to replace it with.Gamerelite1 22:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • Yeah I really hope they have another season. But just 1 though, enough to give the series a proper send off. Any more and it will start to just get hella lame. I think 5 or 6 seasons is enough for any show. And I really miss Conan.--Icefire227 22:15, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • I'm with you, Icefire. Especially if NBC announced it IS the last season: build up the hype and whatnot. And shut up everyone who's been calling for it to happen. 22:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • It would be nice if Heroes came back, but at this point I couldn't care less. All the cool characters have been ruined, all the stories have been hastily wrapped up, and it seems they've re-tread the same old plot again, and again, and again. A total reboot would be nice.--Gibbeynator 22:31, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• • • • • To be fair, Sylar being GOOD is already a hackneyed story. But I don't hope for Heroes to end anytime soon. --Action Figure 22:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
          • In the event it does go down, I hope it frees Hayden up so she can go back to Kingdom Hearts.--Gibbeynator 22:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • I really hope Heroes isn't over. The way I see, it's finally gotten back to season one quality, and I think they have a lot of room to expand. I'm not hoping for another three seasons or anything, but I really would like to see where they go with Specials being revealed. --Clairesxtwin48 22:34, 8 February 2010 (EST)
        • • • Kingdom Hearts and Heroes never coincided?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:50, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Peter's battle with Samuel

My guess is he replicated flight to get to Central Park really fast, getting it from Sylar. I loved how he tackled Sammy with it, nice touch there. I also loved the battle there, though I wish Samuel was killed instead of arrested.--WarGrowlmon18 22:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• If Robert Knepper's down for it, maybe they'll bring him back in future episodes. I'm glad he's still alive. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:16, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • I like how he was arrested actually. Too many TV shows end with the main villian being killed.--Icefire227 22:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Samuel has probably been one of the most interesting villains on the entire show and I'm really glad they kept him alive. While his fight wasn't the best, I was still pleased with it. I hope they bring him back, seeing as he could possibly become the new big recurring villain (since Sylar is a good guy now...which in my opinion just ruined his character) and bring back the trend of having villains with only one power. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 22:32, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • Well its Robert Knepper, Im sure he can BREAK out of PRISON. --Action Figure 22:34, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Haha, very true (Get's the Prison Break plug) -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 22:35, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • Sadly he won't be breaking out. he seems to be completely powerless without a few specials around.

My personal opinion on this episode

Honestly, I had pretty good view of this seasons overall, I loved the last few episodes, but this one let me down. It felt somewhat rushed, but more importantly, it was far to convient and tidy. The one scene that pisses me off the most is where Claire, Noah, Eli and Edgar have an "intervention" with the carnies, and for whatever reason the carnies believe them over their leader. What were they thinking?

"Oh, hey look, that drama queen's going on about something, she sounds kind of urgent."
"She always sounds urgent..."
"But she sounds really urgent this time! Oh look, Noah and Edgar walked in!"
"The guy that murdered Lydia and the guy that ran away?"
"Yeah, they're backing that girl up! It must be true!"
"Wait, hold on. One of these persons has a penchant for killing specials and the other left us when confronted by our leader, implying guilt. How in God's name do they make her argument more compelling?"
"Well... I... Oh hey! Eli walked in! He agrees with them! That guy always seemed to have it together!"
"He came back a month ago after Joseph kicked him out and stares at our women all the time..."
"No, no. They're definitely right."
"Are you honestly saying that you're talking the opinion of four adversaries of the carnival over our trusted leader?"
"Yeah."
"Ah. All right then, let's bail."

Doesn't that look ridiculous to anyone else? And then Samuel's left powerless and screams pathetically at no one, repeating himself over and over? Besides being horribly cliched, it was just way too predictable. I guess at this point the writers realized that everything was tied up a little too tightly, and devised some introduction into the next season while making us all feel nostalgic with a familiar line ("My name's Claire....."). Thoroughly disappointed by this.

Hiro's plot was what kept this episode from being total trash, although that twist (We all had no idea where he/she was, but they were living amongst us this whole time?!!) was already used earlier this season. Still, I felt for Hiro. I'm sorry for this absurdly long post but I really just needed to vent....--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:19, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• I dunno, I feel like a former carnie, a less-former carnie, and "the enemy" agreeing would be enough to at least pique their interest. All it would have taken was Damien to prove it. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 22:22, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • My point was that it didn't just pique their interest, within the space of a minute they were totally convinced.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • "And then Samuel's left powerless and screams pathetically at no one, repeating himself over and over?" You do realize this is because he didn't expect Hiro to show up, with Ando, and save the day by teleporting dozens of specials away? Samuel figured they were all running and hiding, and he could still influence them if they were? He's a little crazy, hence the screaming pathetically at no one. 22:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
      • Shouting the same line over and over? Again, this isn't so much a criticism of his acting as it is a criticism of the writing. Everything ended up way too tidy, way too quickly.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:49, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Peter and Emma

Please tell me I wasn't the only one who said "awwww" when Peter and Emma hugged! These two are adorable. Thoughts on next (possible) season? Peter and Emma as a couple, maybe? --Clairesxtwin48 22:27, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Was hoping for a kiss myself, but there's hope there.--WarGrowlmon18 22:32, 8 February 2010 (EST)
  • And then she will get lost in space and timeGamerelite1 22:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Damn edit conflict, I was just about to say that X(. Seriously though, I think they'll either be together or very close, but I don't think it will be focused on that much.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:34, 8 February 2010 (EST)
    • Fully agree with Gamerelite1! I've been shipping these two from the start, and though I'm rather afraid that Emma's going to get offed, she's significantly more popular than Simone or Caitlin ever were (though that doesn't explain poor Charlie), and I can't see the show killing her off just yet. Either way, Pemma is pretty much the most adorable thing, platonic OR romantic, since Hiro and Charlie. --Clairesxtwin48 22:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)

What Matt did to Eli

I think Matt told Eli to go back to the Carnival and reveal the truth and then leave. Why else would he have done that and what else could he have ordered him to do???--WarGrowlmon18 22:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• Uh. well that was obviously what happened.Gamerelite1 22:36, 8 February 2010 (EST)
• Hm, that's interesting. I suspect that there were many more orders involved in that whammy, and I'm betting it's going to be explored next season (provided there is one), along with Bennet owing Tracy a favor. --Clairesxtwin48 22:55, 8 February 2010 (EST)

Power

Why did Samuel's power drain completely when most of the specials were teleported away? Peter was right next to him and Sylar, Doyle and Emma were near, weren't they? He was able to create a sinkhole under a mansion and collapse a police station by himself.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:53, 8 February 2010 (EST)

• That's a valid question. Plothole? --Clairesxtwin48 22:54, 8 February 2010 (EST)