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Talk:Possession

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Source/Explanation
Future Peter reveals that he placed his present day self inside the body of former Level 5 prisoner Jesse Murphy (The Butterfly Effect).


um...

User:Shadowulf1 10:08, 24 September 2008 (EDT) this seems to be a feat under the umbrella "intangibility" (phasing), but the molecules of Jesse and Peter don't occupy the same space, and so they can coexist.

  • Phasing allows you to exist inside someone else as long as you don't attempt to move, but it doesn't allow you to unknowingly control someone else's body.--MiamiVolts (talk) 10:24, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I hate to be this guy

but do we really know that this is a seperate power and not just something else like a mish-mash of illusion and telepathy? Maybe until we know that it's a seperate ability we should move the page to something like we did for Brain Removal, where it considered like an action sort of thing but not neccessarily a whole new power. --Piemanmoo 03:07, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Yes that is true, how do we not know he just telaported peter into the cell and made him look like Jess with Illusion? --Skywalkerrbf 03:10, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Illusion is a localized ability (its effects have never existed outside the caster's presence) and Future Peter left his present day self in Level 5 alone in Jesse's body. Future Peter specifically says he put his present day self in Jesse's body and that's what it looks like. Absent any evidence to the contrary, that's what we have to go by.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:16, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

AFD

  • I'm not convinced this is a separate power--I think it's very probable this is an effect of another power. I think the existence of the article itself is speculative and I would delete it until we find out more information about the nature of Peter's imprisonment in Jesse's body and how that feat was accomplished. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:42, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Future Peter said he did it, we have evidence it was done and it does not appear to be an aspect of any known ability. I think it is fine to document this as feat as a new ability as it has been presented to us thus far.--MiamiVolts (talk) 10:21, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
      • It's also fine to nominate it for deletion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:07, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I think it's way too speculative and too soon for this. I'm in strong favor of deletion. (Admin 11:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT))
  • I assumed it was illusion or telepathy. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 11:52, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • The first thing I thought of was Revenge of the Body Snatchers, LOL... Anyways, since no one appears to agree with me please move this to my userspace and delete this redirect. I'll try and get this answered by CBR. Thanks.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:31, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I think the nature of Present Peter's imprisonment will be answered very soon in an upcoming episode... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:48, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

CBR questions

I sent a few CBR questions in anyways. Specifically, my e-mail asked:

What exactly did Future Peter do to his present-day self? Is this some new ability Future Peter obtained, or is it one or more old ones being used in a new way?

And if it is a new ability, am I right to be thinking Invasion of the Body Snatchers is upon us? Was a copy of Mr. Linderman's personality placed into Nathan with this ability? Was Jessica placed into Niki's body using this ability to protect Niki? Did the Company extract Jessica from Niki's body using this ability? And is a clone of Niki with Jessica's mind now going around thinking she is this Tracy Strauss?

When Hiro traveled to the future, did he learn to what time/date he traveled to? Does Hiro know how long he has to avoid the impending doom? Can you enlighten us on when exactly that was? Is present day in the Heroes storyline still March 21, 2007 (the day after Nathan was shot) or has more time past? Is the lack of fixed dates in the first two episodes, the Going Postal webisodes, and the most recent arc of graphic novels intentional? Will we be seeing any more fixed dates anytime soon? --MiamiVolts (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

  • How are comic book resoruses going to know?--Skywalkerrbf 15:55, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • CBR has a weekly series called Behind the Eclipse where a couple of the writers/producers (Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete) answer our questions in a sometimes cryptic, sometimes straightforward manner. :) Read more on sending your question in here.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Did anyone locate this week's CBR Behind the Eclipse? I can't seem to find it...--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:13, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
      • No, and I couldn't find last week's either. Was that one released? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Canonicity of name

I think this is a canon name for this ability because Future Peter said he placed his present-day self inside Jesse's body. The words body and inside are where the name comes from. Body is explicit and insertion comes from inside, just as constriction comes from Constrictor. Not that this matters much unless someone wants to rename the ability, but those are my thoughts.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:19, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I doubt anyone has a better name.--Piemanmoo 01:23, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
    • The name is fine, but it's not a canon name. It's a level 5 (Ha! Level 5) name--a description of the abilities. Insertion is a derivative of the word insert, not inside. Even still, the term was never used on the show, so it's not a canon name. But I don't think there is any problem with the name, I just want to make sure that we're all aware that if a different name is used, say, in a graphic novel, it would take precedence over "body insertion". -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:31, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
  • With FPeter being able to remove Peter from the body, does this name accurately describe the ability? I think maybe "Body placement" might be an acceptable name for the time being.--Bob (talk) 05:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
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