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Validity of part of the article

In the article it states that Peter was not touching Arthur when Peter's power was stolen, however it did look like their cheeks were touching which would disprove that statement. Oct 20, 10:30 Pacific time, Machiavelli

  • I agree. I think the 'works through the shirt' part of the article is inaccurate. Seb.gwirionyn 01:33, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Name

Alas... the inevitable name debate. Personally, I think that Arthur's power is aura absorption, though he can control his ability so that he doesn't necessarily kill people with it. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:31, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

  • As much I think it might be that as well, we of course won't be able to call it that without confirmation.--Aburu 22:32, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • It isn't aura absorption. The beings that Linda used her ability on did not turn to dust and could not live after she absorbed their aura and ability. ~~ Darmenos 21:36, 20 October 2008.
    • I said this on the episode talk page too. There do exist variations of abilities. Arthur's could be a more sophisticated and honed aura absorption. As for Adam turning to dust (I assume that's what you're referencing, but I'm not sure since I didn't catch that part), he took his ability of rapid cell regeneration, meaning that all of his 400 years caught up to him in one instant, which would cause anyone to turn to dust. Besides, Peter didn't turn to dust, did he? Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:41, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I think it is Ability Theft, because killing the person comes with the power of aura absorption. Ability Theft involves taking the persons ability and everything that came with it, i.e. Adam Monroe's long life was taken when Arthur took his ability. With Ability Theft you wouldn't kill the person unless they benifited from the power through extensive live or other things.
    • Very true, I second Ability Theft. On a side note, it's refreshing to still have a character that's a danger for Claire...--Aburu 22:40, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Do you mind signing your posts from now on, Sylarversion2? But anyway, I agree with you as well. If it's not aura absorption after all, ability theft would be my second choice. Which further supports my claim that ability theft as it is now should be moved, but that's another story. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:41, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • While we're on the subject, shouldn't the notes for this power go in Arthur's Theories section instead? It sounds like speculation instead of an actual note on the powers--Plot Device 22:59, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Someone keeps readding it. Just to avoid edit warring, I edited the note so that it resembles the note under Future Ando's ability about lightning. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:09, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • It's not ability theft. Because he would've stolen Angela's ability to dream the future when he touched her. Its the same power as Linda but Arthur has much more control over his power.Titan3510 23:17, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
        • He didn't actually touch her, that was a dream. (Admin 23:20, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
        • Even if he did touch her and didn't steal her power, he did steal Adam's and Peter's powers. Still theft to me. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 23:22, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I, er, also support the name Ability Theft. Though I'm not quite sure how that fits what happened with Angela...--Golden Monkey 23:54, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Perhaps that's another ability he absorbed some time previously. If he has absorbed telepathy, he could enter her dream and use it to paralyze her mentally. JackOfBloodyHearts 00:31, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Also, what happened to her in the dream could have been Maury. While we've seen Angela block telepaths before, Maury caught her while she had her guard down and was sleeping. She's now in a similar coma to the one Molly was in. --Plot Device 00:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Not quite the same as Molly. Molly was unconscious. Angela is wide-awake. It seems more likely to me that it would be Arthur instead of Maury. Why have a lackey deliver such a personal message to his wife in his guise if he could do it himself (that is to say he's taken on telepathy)? JackOfBloodyHearts 00:38, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
          • I hate to assume anything at this point this season as the writers are playing fast and loose with the characters, but I'd assume the first person we've seen Arthur steal a power from since his "suicide" was Adam. I can't see him needing Maury if he was that powerful a telepath himself.--Plot Device 00:53, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I think it's likely going to end up being ability theft. We know he takes the powers of the other person, and that they no longer have them, and that it requires physical contact. That said, leaving it as Arthur's ability until we get more information is fine too. --Stevehim 00:49, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
        • I prefer ability absorption, which implies the ability is removed from the original holder and seperates Arthur's ability from Sylar using his ability to steal other people's. Seb.gwirionyn 01:03, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • First off, doesn't it seam logical to assume that this is actually the same power that Peter has?. Just like Matt inherited his powers from his father is it not safe to assume that peter has the same abilities? Possibly Peter will one day be able to 'steal' powers as well. Now what your thinking is, why didn't he just borrow the power's of regeneration from Adam?. Well honestly Arthur is a bad bad guy... He was probably going to kill Adam anyway and the actual theft of abilities may only be possible through contact. It seams that most of the abilities that actually intrude on to others abilities in a serious way involve contact. Just like Maya and Alejandro who had to make contact to actually affect each other or like the people who exhibit Aura Absorbtion. Interestingly it seams that people like Peter who borrow or steal powers can actually lose those powers during a traumatic event, like Peter getting his memory wiped. That's why when he woke up in Europe he seamed powerless. The same could be said for Arthur. He certainly looks like he as been through some serious trauma -- Sarsar

I love this serie, seeing Arthur in action it totally suprised me! Yeah... the name... he had to hold Peter to steel his ability, now i'm not presuming he stole his "Empathic Mimicry" and i also don't think he stole his "Intuitive Aptitude". These are the names i came up with: Ability Absorption (he totally absorbed Peter's abilities). Aura Absorption (close proximity) othing r Ability Theft (using some nasty way. -- Futurepeter 06:13, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

    • Here's the thing, types of ability sometimes run in the family, i.e. Matt and Maurey, however an exception is Claire (from Nathan and whatsherface) - but as Nathan's ability was synthetic, we cannot draw any conclusion. Now looking at Sylar and Peter, both sons of Authur, I assume. They all have ways of getting more abilities. Authur steals them, Sylar finds out how they work and Peter mimics them. What do people think of this - am I on the right path d'ya think? Rob Riv 07:44, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
  • My two cents worth on the naming debate: barring any official word on the matter, I think I would go with Ability drain. This reflects the fact that when he gains an ability, the person from whom he got it loses it. Links to ability theft would certainly be relevant. Obviously, this power differs from Sylar's, since he doesn't have to kill his victim or remove his victim's brain. It's quite similar to Peter's ability -- which makes sense, given the familial relationship -- except for taking the ability instead of duplicating it. --Ted C 09:41, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I vote for ability draining as the name; absorption is used elsewhere on the site and so using it here could be quite confusing and misleading. Draining also implies that it's leeched out of something as well, in a way that absorption doesn't. Photolysis 09:51, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
    • As far as the genetic comparison, where do we ever learn that Sylar is Arthur's son? All we know is that Angela is his mother, he could have a different father. Or is it stated somewhere in the show that Arthur is Sylar's father?--Fortunefaded 10:33, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
      • As far as I've heard, it's only been stated in a promo ("The father of three heroes [shows Peter, Nathan, and Sylar]") JackOfBloodyHearts 10:56, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
        • "Now looking at Sylar and Peter, both sons of Authur, I assume." I said, assuming that to be the case, as my ideas would make sense then. --Rob Riv 11:13, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Notes

Aside from the name, should we note somewhere that this power does not only steal natural abilities (Peter's empathic mimicry) , but abilities absorbed by him as well?--Fortunefaded 04:42, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

We don't know that yet, well its abit obvious if you've seen the promo. But I think we have to write on what we've seen on the show or graphic novels. (User:SamStorey 14:54, 21 October 08.

  • Actually, it's already been made clear. At the end of the episode, Arthur used lightning, which Peter absorbed from Elle. Ricard Desi 10:10, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Power Absorption

I think it is power absorption. Ability theft has already been taken (although it, too, is accurate) Aura absorption doesn't tell what he does, because he doesn't kill anyone by doing it (except Adam Monroe, and that's just because his anti-aging faculty was stolen). It's not just power mimicry, but it is definitely a distinct power, and the most accurate-sounding name for it in my opinion would be power absorption.

  • It seems pretty clear (to me, anyway) that what's happening here is strictly "Ability Theft". Unlike Sylar's ability, Arthur very clearly steals the ability. "Absorption" can imply that the person affected my still have their powers, while "Theft" clearly indicates that they no longer have their ability. Also note that "Theft" is not an appropriate name for Sylar's ability, since his victims do not necessarily lose their powers (or die) from the encounter. Ricard Desi 11:40, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
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