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Talk:Future terrorist's ability
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| 1. Canon Sources | Episodes |
| 2. Near-canon Sources | Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions |
| 3. Secondary Sources | Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival |
| 4. Common names for abilities | Names from other works |
| 5. Descriptions of abilities | Descriptions |
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Why delete?
It's a new power. Why not leave it in the catalog? We have info on when, who, and where it was manifested. Imo, it should be kept and catalogued. No harm in keeping it. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/8/2008 10:51 (EST)
- I agree it shouldn't get deleted, but then shouldn't we just call it "energy emission" and add Future Ando as a user? Or since we're waiting for more info. on Future Ando's ability, this should probably be called "The Terrorist's ability", imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:03, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- All I think it needs is a new picture.--Skywalkerrbf 11:21, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- It's the same shade of green that Ted's radiation powers were colored in graphic novels before, so he could have been firing a beam of radiation at the ceiling. All in all, since the ability itself is not refered to anywhere, we shouldnt give it a page, but make a note of it in the unconfirmed section. --Piemanmoo 17:53, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- The problem is that it is not unconfirmed: we saw he using it. But I agree that it would be a little awkward to have this page: "The terrorist's ability is an unknown ability to fire an unknown beam of green energy with unknown effects."--Referos 20:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- Don't forget: "The unknown terrorist's ability is an unknown ability to fire an unknown beam of green energy with unknown effects. Unfortunately he died before we could learn anything more about it." It's a cool little Easter Egg, but I don't think it needs a page of its own. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:19, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- The problem is that it is not unconfirmed: we saw he using it. But I agree that it would be a little awkward to have this page: "The terrorist's ability is an unknown ability to fire an unknown beam of green energy with unknown effects."--Referos 20:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- It's the same shade of green that Ted's radiation powers were colored in graphic novels before, so he could have been firing a beam of radiation at the ceiling. All in all, since the ability itself is not refered to anywhere, we shouldnt give it a page, but make a note of it in the unconfirmed section. --Piemanmoo 17:53, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- All I think it needs is a new picture.--Skywalkerrbf 11:21, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- I think it should be deleted. We don't know who the guy is (some dead terrorist?), and we know virtually nothing about the power. There is harm in keeping it--it's speculation. If we want to catalog the power, we can do so on the list of abilities. We don't need an entire page for this. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:48, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- I'm in the "delete" camp. I don't think a power for which we have no significant data rates a page. As likely as not, it's just a different visual effect for a power that's already documented. --Ted C 12:44, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Keep and call it Lightsaber generation! xD Psilaq Remake 21:05, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- The policy has been that demonstrated abilities get their own pages, so this shouldn't be deleted. We've had other graphic novel characters where their ability is only shown in one graphic novel, not named, and we still gave it its own page. Ryan is right, though, that we shouldn't speculate, and so I agree in renaming this to "The terrorist's ability".--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:20, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- Where is that policy? I've never seen a policy that demonstrated abilities get their own pages. Perhaps there's a guideline that unseen abilities usually don't get their abilities, but I know of no policy saying that if an ability is demonstrated it should get its own page. I think this ability would be better suited to an entry in the list of abilities, not as a page of its own. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:36, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- Personally, I think if this goes, Ando's should go. We don't know much about it and are likely not to see it again.--Riddler 01:14, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- It may be helpful to look at the list of abilities. Do we have any abilities listed there that don't have their own articles because of little information? If so then there's precedent for removing this one. If not then if we have other abilities listed there with equally little information about them (and no canonical name for them) then there's precedent for keeping this one around. (Admin 12:49, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
- Where is that policy? I've never seen a policy that demonstrated abilities get their own pages. Perhaps there's a guideline that unseen abilities usually don't get their abilities, but I know of no policy saying that if an ability is demonstrated it should get its own page. I think this ability would be better suited to an entry in the list of abilities, not as a page of its own. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:36, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
- The policy has been that demonstrated abilities get their own pages, so this shouldn't be deleted. We've had other graphic novel characters where their ability is only shown in one graphic novel, not named, and we still gave it its own page. Ryan is right, though, that we shouldn't speculate, and so I agree in renaming this to "The terrorist's ability".--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:20, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
Remember that Guyanan fella? In order to document his ability on the evolved humans page, I uploaded this image and linked to it in the ability column of that page as "Unidentified." Might a similar procedure be appropriate here? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:21, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Miami, you said "policy"... did you mean "precedent?" If so it may help to point out specific precedents. (Admin 01:54, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
- I thought it was an actual policy we've been employing (though precedent probably works better since now I know I was mistaken)--that if we actually "see" someone use a new ability, we can document it in its own article. As to the Guyanan local, we didn't see his ability used, we only saw the crater made after the fact so I agree the Guyanan's ability doesn't get an article... This is different: we saw this terrorist use his ability. Also, I do think it's unlikely we'll get a clearer picture of what he does, but that's besides the point. The fact that we haven't agreed about the name doesn't mean the ability shouldn't have an article. It was a short demonstration, but we've had other similar short demo's: i.e. Future Ando's ability, nerve gas emission, acid secretion, and plant growth, are some of the abilities with very short demos. I looked at the List of abilities, and the ones without articles all were not demonstrated abilities. Imho, this ability is clearly demonstrated so we should follow that precedent.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- That's interesting. Did you also happen to find an example of another ability where we know equally little about it yet it still has its own article? That would be very helpful. (Admin 13:54, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
- That's a loaded question, Admin, cause I do think we know a few things about this ability based on the demonstration that needs to be added to the article: 1) It didn't blow a hole in the ceiling, but instead spread out when it hit it; 2) there's three rings in the flow on the ceiling, and 3) it looks like the ceiling is dripping... whether those things are solely the artist's interpretation or error is besides the point. They need to be noted cause they are there. Now as for your question, we knew very little about body insertion and had originally removed the article cause it hadn't been demonstrated, so we didn't know for sure it was an actual ability. Now it has been demonstrated once by Future Peter, we have an article for it, but we still don't know for sure how it was accomplished (though I have my own theory).--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- I just added those observations to the article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- That's a loaded question, Admin, cause I do think we know a few things about this ability based on the demonstration that needs to be added to the article: 1) It didn't blow a hole in the ceiling, but instead spread out when it hit it; 2) there's three rings in the flow on the ceiling, and 3) it looks like the ceiling is dripping... whether those things are solely the artist's interpretation or error is besides the point. They need to be noted cause they are there. Now as for your question, we knew very little about body insertion and had originally removed the article cause it hadn't been demonstrated, so we didn't know for sure it was an actual ability. Now it has been demonstrated once by Future Peter, we have an article for it, but we still don't know for sure how it was accomplished (though I have my own theory).--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:27, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- That's interesting. Did you also happen to find an example of another ability where we know equally little about it yet it still has its own article? That would be very helpful. (Admin 13:54, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
- I thought it was an actual policy we've been employing (though precedent probably works better since now I know I was mistaken)--that if we actually "see" someone use a new ability, we can document it in its own article. As to the Guyanan local, we didn't see his ability used, we only saw the crater made after the fact so I agree the Guyanan's ability doesn't get an article... This is different: we saw this terrorist use his ability. Also, I do think it's unlikely we'll get a clearer picture of what he does, but that's besides the point. The fact that we haven't agreed about the name doesn't mean the ability shouldn't have an article. It was a short demonstration, but we've had other similar short demo's: i.e. Future Ando's ability, nerve gas emission, acid secretion, and plant growth, are some of the abilities with very short demos. I looked at the List of abilities, and the ones without articles all were not demonstrated abilities. Imho, this ability is clearly demonstrated so we should follow that precedent.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:47, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Miami, you said "policy"... did you mean "precedent?" If so it may help to point out specific precedents. (Admin 01:54, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
Why delete? (Part 2)
- This should be kept. We have seen this power and the person is not dead get in the present time line so they could pop up any day :) --Skywalkerrbf 03:05, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- When he does, let's make the page. Until then, let's not. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Sorry for making such a controversial article, I just thought it would be good to catalog since it's obviously an ability. I don't think it should be deleted, however, I understand some members' arguments about this being speculation, since the ability could just have easily been "Colored Energy Emission" or "Focused Luminescence". Radicell 06:40, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- No need to apoligize. :) There's nothing bad about discussion... on the contrary it's very useful! :) (Admin 12:45, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
- Right. I played with the idea of writing an article at first, too. There's nothing wrong with a good discussion, and it helps shape our policies and keep us consistent. It's meta reflection. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Well, if we're keeping this article, we have to come up with a name for the guy if "Terrorist" isn't an appropriate name... Considering he's held in a terrorist cell, it's safe to call him that in my opinion. In either case, Green Energy Emission is speculative and turns against how we've named past abilities. Mohinder's, Ando's, and Alejandro's. What's the kicker is that we KNOW their names and we didn't name their abilities. Who's to say it's energy and not a highly concentrated liquid, hence the dripping? We need a name for him, or else we should be naming Mohinder's, Ando's, and Alejandro's.--Riddler 15:13, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Ignore that. This was written after misreading the move. >_>; --Riddler 15:14, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Well, if we're keeping this article, we have to come up with a name for the guy if "Terrorist" isn't an appropriate name... Considering he's held in a terrorist cell, it's safe to call him that in my opinion. In either case, Green Energy Emission is speculative and turns against how we've named past abilities. Mohinder's, Ando's, and Alejandro's. What's the kicker is that we KNOW their names and we didn't name their abilities. Who's to say it's energy and not a highly concentrated liquid, hence the dripping? We need a name for him, or else we should be naming Mohinder's, Ando's, and Alejandro's.--Riddler 15:13, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Right. I played with the idea of writing an article at first, too. There's nothing wrong with a good discussion, and it helps shape our policies and keep us consistent. It's meta reflection. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- No need to apoligize. :) There's nothing bad about discussion... on the contrary it's very useful! :) (Admin 12:45, 9 October 2008 (EDT))
Word From The Colourist
Beth Sotelo said that she was told it was a 'green melting beam' so that is at least something to go off.--Skywalkerrbf 15:47, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Where did Beth say that (do you have a link)? Though it's not canon, it's something else we can note.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:58, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Directly to me, email.--Skywalkerrbf 16:05, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Ah, not sure if we can note that unless it was part of an interview.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:11, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- Directly to me, email.--Skywalkerrbf 16:05, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Consensus
Let's get this over with quickly.
Delete
- --Piemanmoo 17:53, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- --Horrorman 23:29, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- 23:41, 9 October 2008 (EDT) Delete the page, but keep the information on the list of abilities
Keep
- --MiamiVolts (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
- --Radicell 19:43, 9 October 2008 (EDT)