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Talk:Telescopic vision
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| Donna Dunlap explicitly calls it Telescopic Vision. | |
Name
Let's Snow this. Donna says "Now I've never fired a gun before, but apparently, Telescopic Vision? Very Helpful. -- Seclusion talk / contribs 05:46, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- It's always nice of the writers to give us a name, no? :D --NellaBishop 06:29, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- As much as I like the name, I think she was refering to one aspect of her power. Perhaps Enhanced Vision would be more precise, since she can both see in the dark and from great distances.--Piemanmoo 06:50, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- She called it Telescopic Vision; We call it Telescopic vision. It doesn't really matter what the power specifics are. -- Seclusion talk / contribs 06:52, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Why can't she just have Night Vision and Telescopic Vision, since as far as I know telescopic vision doesn't encompass the ability to see in the dark (and people can have more than one ability at a time). The way I read it, she was only referring to the abily to see great distances. It's almost like if she would shoot beams of heat through her eyes and say (Hmm, heat vision, what an awesome yet destructive power) but it would have nothing to do with her being able to see in the dark. What I'm saying is perhaps we need two power articles. One for telescopic vision and one for Night Vision. Because there might be someone who can only see in the dark, and yet it would seem to be telescopic vision the way it is now. It might just be one general power that includes all powers of vision but still I'd rather have Night Vision have it's own article than be merged with another power. --Dman dustin 07:15, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- You are completely missing the point. If they give us a name, it doesn't matter what the power does. We call it what they give us. -- Seclusion talk / contribs 07:33, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- We should absolutely use the names of powers when given to us...but if a power has more than one aspect, using the name of only one aspect to describe the entire power does not work. Hiro's power is an excellent example: "time traveling" and "teleportation" have both been used to describe what he can do, but it would be inaccurate to refer to his entire power by either one of those names. The Haitian's power has a similar issue. In Donna's case, she said that as she grew older, she was able to focus her sight more, and she called this telescopic vision. That has nothing to do with being able to see in the dark, which I guess would be night vision. The only thing these two aspects have in common is vision. I would think that a name like "enhanced vision" would be better suited to describe her entire power. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:05, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- (Note I was still writing this when Ryan posted, sorry about that) If a person displays Super strength, telekinesis, Alchemy, and Elasticity but uses Super Strength and calls it that, with no mention of the other names for yhe person's other powers, we would have an article called "Super Strength" with "the ability to move things with your mind, change things to gold,the ability to stretch, deform, expand, and contract one's body, and the ability to exert greater than normal physical force"? Simply put she said her vision got better, and she was able to focus her vision like being able to read from a distance or focus on the idividual details of a snoflake. Then she (after saying that) says "Now I've never fired a gun before, but apparently, Telescopic Vision? Very Helpful". None of which does it mention Night Vision. Look even at the Night Vision Binoculars it is the same principle. It's not just called one thing (Night Vision eyes (or whatever indicates it can just see in night vision), or just Binoculars) but has the ability to do other things, but it's name (Night Vision Binoculars) indicates it can do both. Now since she did say "Telescopic Vision" we can't name the ability "Night Vision Binoculars" or call her "Night Vision Binoculars Girl" but all I'm asking is we have two separate articles one for "Telescopic Vision" and one for "Night Vision." --Dman dustin 08:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Now just in case, some one says that "It doesn't matter what the description says as long as someone names" (again) and give what ever reason. This is a different case, because before it only involved one power, this obviously involves two. Now the only thing I'm disputing is she actually named her (Night Vision) "Telescopic Vision." Because like I said, the way I read the novel, she only called "being able to see from a great distance" Telscopic Vision since her shooting the gun would involve that. Edit:It looks like I was beaten to the punch. --Dman dustin 08:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- (Note I was still writing this when Ryan posted, sorry about that) If a person displays Super strength, telekinesis, Alchemy, and Elasticity but uses Super Strength and calls it that, with no mention of the other names for yhe person's other powers, we would have an article called "Super Strength" with "the ability to move things with your mind, change things to gold,the ability to stretch, deform, expand, and contract one's body, and the ability to exert greater than normal physical force"? Simply put she said her vision got better, and she was able to focus her vision like being able to read from a distance or focus on the idividual details of a snoflake. Then she (after saying that) says "Now I've never fired a gun before, but apparently, Telescopic Vision? Very Helpful". None of which does it mention Night Vision. Look even at the Night Vision Binoculars it is the same principle. It's not just called one thing (Night Vision eyes (or whatever indicates it can just see in night vision), or just Binoculars) but has the ability to do other things, but it's name (Night Vision Binoculars) indicates it can do both. Now since she did say "Telescopic Vision" we can't name the ability "Night Vision Binoculars" or call her "Night Vision Binoculars Girl" but all I'm asking is we have two separate articles one for "Telescopic Vision" and one for "Night Vision." --Dman dustin 08:18, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- We should absolutely use the names of powers when given to us...but if a power has more than one aspect, using the name of only one aspect to describe the entire power does not work. Hiro's power is an excellent example: "time traveling" and "teleportation" have both been used to describe what he can do, but it would be inaccurate to refer to his entire power by either one of those names. The Haitian's power has a similar issue. In Donna's case, she said that as she grew older, she was able to focus her sight more, and she called this telescopic vision. That has nothing to do with being able to see in the dark, which I guess would be night vision. The only thing these two aspects have in common is vision. I would think that a name like "enhanced vision" would be better suited to describe her entire power. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:05, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- You are completely missing the point. If they give us a name, it doesn't matter what the power does. We call it what they give us. -- Seclusion talk / contribs 07:33, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Why can't she just have Night Vision and Telescopic Vision, since as far as I know telescopic vision doesn't encompass the ability to see in the dark (and people can have more than one ability at a time). The way I read it, she was only referring to the abily to see great distances. It's almost like if she would shoot beams of heat through her eyes and say (Hmm, heat vision, what an awesome yet destructive power) but it would have nothing to do with her being able to see in the dark. What I'm saying is perhaps we need two power articles. One for telescopic vision and one for Night Vision. Because there might be someone who can only see in the dark, and yet it would seem to be telescopic vision the way it is now. It might just be one general power that includes all powers of vision but still I'd rather have Night Vision have it's own article than be merged with another power. --Dman dustin 07:15, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- They give us the name flat out: "telescopic vision". Whether this includes the fact she can also see in the dark is a bit irrelevant since near-canon sources takes over descriptions of abilities. In Hiro's naming case, they flat out say he can "manipulate time and space", which gave us space-time manipulation. I think it should stay as telescopic vision. --NellaBishop 09:28, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Not if she didn't refer her Night Vision as "Telescopic Vision." (which is the main problem leaving it as Telescopic Vision) It would be considered a separate power in that case. And like I said she only called "Being able to see great distances" Telescopic Vision not the Night Vision aspect of her Ability/Abilities. --Dman dustin 09:35, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- I reckon some of you people just argue for the sake of it. -- Seclusion talk / contribs 09:45, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Not this time around actually. The real problem is while they call it 'Telescopic Vision' a telescope offers no natural advantage in the darkness unless you zoom in on something that's glowing. Donna claimed to be able to read in the dark under the covers without a flashlight. When a power has more than one aspect you try to make the name as vague as possible to allow for it, thus 'Enhanced Vision.' --PeterDawson 11:39, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Completely agree. This is more like the Haitian's ability or Hiro's ability--we have an explicit near-canon name, but only for one aspect of the ability. Since nothing about "telescopic vision" covers night vision, and we know that everybody only has one power, we do not have a canon source for her power name--merely for one aspect of it. Here's another example: we have a canon source name for D.L.'s power, "phasing". If we learned he was also able to make himself super-dense, "phasing" would no longer be a canon source name for his ability as a whole, merely for one aspect of it. If Elle was able to generate light like a light bulb without any electrical arcs, "lightning" would no longer describe her whole power.--Hardvice (talk) 12:56, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Multiple articles might make sense, if it weren't for the guiding principle given by Mr. Bennet (Fallout) that each evolved human has only one power. We used to list Hiro as having three separate, but related, powers. The Haitian had two: memory erasing and power blocking (or names similar to those). But when we found out each evolved human only has one natural power, we combined the aspects into one umbrella power. Hiro's worked out nicely because we were given a very good description (Genesis) to explain everything he did. The Haitian not so much. No where in any canon source does it say that the Haitian manipulates minds or anything of the sort; instead we're left to describe the power, despite having been given usable canon descriptions for aspects of his power (The Fix and others).
In Donna's case (and thank goodness we're going to learn more in the coming weeks!), she has clearly described multiple aspects to the same power, and "telescopic vision" does not cover all those aspects. There is obviously an aspect to what she can do that allows her to see in the dark, and it's not telecopic vision. Ultimately, a name needs to be derived that does not exclude parts of what she can do. I'm putting "enhanced vision" out there as the best suggestion I've heard so far (somebody else suggested it), but I'm sure there are other good ones. However, the point of this post is that "telescopic vision", regardless of being a name given in a near canon source, does not accurately describe everything Donna can do. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Totally agree. She has enhanced vision, which includes both telescopic vision and night vision (and possibly others--microscopic vision, for one) as aspects. A canon/near-canon name which is incomplete and which can easily be read in context to apply to only a portion of the power should not be taken as the name of the whole power when there is evidence that other aspects of the power exist which the name does not cover. It has nothing to do with liking or not liking the name given, and more to do with whether the name given can be conceivably read as naming the entire power. In this case, I don't believe it can be read that way.--Hardvice (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Multiple articles might make sense, if it weren't for the guiding principle given by Mr. Bennet (Fallout) that each evolved human has only one power. We used to list Hiro as having three separate, but related, powers. The Haitian had two: memory erasing and power blocking (or names similar to those). But when we found out each evolved human only has one natural power, we combined the aspects into one umbrella power. Hiro's worked out nicely because we were given a very good description (Genesis) to explain everything he did. The Haitian not so much. No where in any canon source does it say that the Haitian manipulates minds or anything of the sort; instead we're left to describe the power, despite having been given usable canon descriptions for aspects of his power (The Fix and others).
- Completely agree. This is more like the Haitian's ability or Hiro's ability--we have an explicit near-canon name, but only for one aspect of the ability. Since nothing about "telescopic vision" covers night vision, and we know that everybody only has one power, we do not have a canon source for her power name--merely for one aspect of it. Here's another example: we have a canon source name for D.L.'s power, "phasing". If we learned he was also able to make himself super-dense, "phasing" would no longer be a canon source name for his ability as a whole, merely for one aspect of it. If Elle was able to generate light like a light bulb without any electrical arcs, "lightning" would no longer describe her whole power.--Hardvice (talk) 12:56, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Not this time around actually. The real problem is while they call it 'Telescopic Vision' a telescope offers no natural advantage in the darkness unless you zoom in on something that's glowing. Donna claimed to be able to read in the dark under the covers without a flashlight. When a power has more than one aspect you try to make the name as vague as possible to allow for it, thus 'Enhanced Vision.' --PeterDawson 11:39, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Image
We need another image of this power - the one we have up currently is actually of Blake/Thompson looking at Donna through his night vision binoculars. --Ciwey 07:00, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- Passive powers are quite hard to get an image of; Her eyes are glowing in this one, which is probably as close to her "using" her power as you are going to get. -- Seclusion talk / contribs 07:21, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- What about the image further down the page, of her pointing the gun directly at Blake from a block away? --BardinessBoy 13:08, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Limits
Well, her ability allows her to see at least with in 245m. 
08:24, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- She can even bend the ray as she sees the teachers solutions sheet! --Juba 09:36, 15 April 2008 (EDT)