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Are there any links for this? I've tried a few variations on the link in the infobox, and nothing seems to be working. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2008 (EST)

  • Strike that...Here's the link to the image. Now, do we have any information about the series other than just a picture? If we're at a teaser stage, I'd like to know a little bit about the plans first so we can see whether or not the series merits an article... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:20, 29 January 2008 (EST)
    • I guess this is it. Any thoughts? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:22, 29 January 2008 (EST)
      • I think it looks rather interesting... that real test will be February 1st...that's the date the web series is supposed to begin.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2008 (EST)

It's online!

  • Chapter 1: Origins in now online... it uses DivX video player and I just got through watching the first 8 minutes when my browser/computer froze up and I had to restart. However, the part I did watch looks good and professionally done, and I enjoy it so far.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2008 (EST)
    • Ok, I finished watching and doing a synopsis. It seems well done and is definately interesting. There's a lot of details in the production which seem to move the show more towards synopsis-format more than short summary, and there are a couple other reasons I list below in my reply to Ryan.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2008 (EST)

Synopsis

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a brief (one- or two-paragraph) synopsis, especially since this is a fan creation? I mean, a synopsis really should more of a quick capture of what happened rather than a scene-by-scene breakdown. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2008 (EST)

  • We could do that, but other fan creations were not extended series, so that's why I went with a synopsis. Also, I'm not sure we can purely call this a fan-creation. It seems to be professionally done and it is created by a company called Hollywood Dropout Production. However, whether or not that is a real company is speculation so leaving it a fan-creation is okay, I guess...--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:29, 4 February 2008 (EST)
    • I don't really think it is the degree of professionalism that matters, rather than the amount of cooperation and consultation Heroes creators give it, which would change it from Fan creation to something else. -- Lulu (talk) 20:38, 4 February 2008 (EST)
      • I'm thinking that this may be similar to the category of Saving Charlie, as it is a work based on Heroes published by a company rather than a single person/group of people. If someone else published a novel based on Heroes without final draft approval by the writing staff, it should probably be grouped and handled the same way, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:45, 4 February 2008 (EST)
        • This is not at all like Saving Charlie. Saving Charlie is a novel written in collaboration with some of the Heroes creative team, a story created by Jeph Loeb, paid for by NBC (or rather, NBC hired Del Rey), and promoted heavily at NBC.com. Though Villains is cool and very fun ("professionally done" seems a bit subjective, though that's neither here nor there), it's still a fan creation. Even if Paramount Pictures or Disney created a movie based on Heroes (which would be illegal since it's copyrighted material) or funnyordie.com spent a ton of money on the best production values for a Heroes-based work, it's still a fan creation if it's not endorsed by NBC. Professionalism doesn't matter, it's who pays the bills--that's why Zeroes, a purposely low-budget piece, is not a fan creation....But to address the original point, I don't think a full-blown synopsis is bad, it just seems unnecessary. I mean, knock yourself out (and hey, it looks terrific!), I just don't see the point in trying to keep up with such detailed synopses for something that's not in our canon of works.-- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:03, 4 February 2008 (EST)
        • Yeah, this is definitely a fan-creation and Ryan your explanation is dead on. The interesting issue here is the level of detail for the summary. We have a precedent that fan creations don't span multiple pages because our goal is to document the creation from a high-level. If this were the only episode I dont think the level of detail would be a problem, but if this series continues then that level of detail will make this page unweildly after a few episodes. Whether we leave the long synopsis for now or not isn't really a concern for me, as long as we expect that after another episode or two it will be trimmed down to just a summary. (Admin 21:31, 4 February 2008 (EST))
          • Thanks for the clarification. I agree with Admin that it's a good explanation. We could trim it to a summary and move the synopses to separate subpages. Would that be acceptable?--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2008 (EST)
            • I'm not in favor of seeing a fan creation take up more than one page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:26, 4 February 2008 (EST)
              • So, I've been talking with people about this, Adam (from Villains) and Ryan (we all know Ryan). And I personally say yes to expanding this webseries. And me wanting to go through with this is because I saw this categories under Fan Creations called "Relationships". Then why not add an extra category for Fan Series/Spin-Off's (fan). Something in that direction. So that others can maybe add their series. But if the community objects to this new category because that could lead to every little spin-off created by fans lands there, then Villains just needs to stay hidden between the Fan Creations. But then there is the option to expand the article from there. And add pages for maybe Episodes (like they do with shows on mainwiki) --> there they call the pages -- Episode title (Show) -- so there would be extra pages called "Origins" (Villains) and "Morally Gray" (Villains) for a scene breakdown, quotes. But this suggestion is more to add episode pages. Of course if the community agree to an expansion there could be more pages for Characters, Season One (overview page) and the main (already existing page) for About, Cast/Crew, Links, main Synopses etc. I'm just putting this out here to get your opinions. -- DarthYotho 07:06, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Hi Darth. It's been a few weeks since the release of Chapter 1, Part 2. Since I'm guessing the plan is to continue the series it's probably best to just add a brief one paragraph summary for each part. I think that having a more complete synopsis as a subpage would be okay, and I've been waiting for more input before writing a summary for part 2. However, it has not come and so far I am a minority in thinking subpages would be okay. Would Adam be willing to host more complete synopses on the Villains website?--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:34, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
    • Don't know. But the thing is, a website shouldn't be the only place where fans can go to if they like the story. It's nice to have a place where you can write down something that you noticed. A place where you can, jeez how do I type this correctly. Well what I'm trying to say is ... is that for me it's nice HeroesWiki is there. Having a place where I can find extra info, add stuff myself and write down details that I noticed, so that other people can learn that and they don't over see that plot detail or something. And just adding information to pages. Adding something from yourself to a article without making something up of course. I think it would be great to have that for Villains as well. Just to have a place where you can read up and add info that you've learn yourself from Episodes about Abilities, Characters and maybe even Spoilers etc. -- Darth Yotho 21:02, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
      • If you want all that, it sounds as if it'd be better to do a mini-wiki. If you can get support from a few more people willing to keep it updated (cause it takes a bit of work to do so), maybe Admin would consider setting one up.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
        • My concern is that Heroes Wiki is a site dedicated to chronicling the world of Heroes, and not the world of Villains, no matter how cool it may be. I think an article about a web series based on Heroes is merited, but multiple articles (complete with navbars and infoboxes) may be a bit much. I'm not opposed to it, I just don't want Heroes Wiki to become Villains Wiki, and I want to avoid setting a precedent. I would rather start by doing one-paragraph summaries on this page, and see where the series goes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:46, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
          • I have the same concern, though I think subpages with longer summaries would be okay. I did recommend creating a new wiki if what Darth was suggesting is desired and those desiring it would be willing to run that wiki.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
            • You guys are both looking at it wrong, I ment to have all that under the same roof. I mean I don't want it to take over Heroes either .. but what am I asking ? 3 to 4 pages (ok if there would be a character page maybe more) but if you keep it in perspective how many pages are there for Heroes ? -- a lot -- so I think it's wrong for you to think it will become VillainsWiki, never. And no I don't want to set up a new wiki if it could be done here easier. I don't know but in my eyes I see Villains as a unofficial but part of the bigger Heroes universe, since it plays in the same universe. I believe they'll (the writers) are going to ad some backdoor stuff that connects it to Heroes events .. anyway if you put it in wiki-view then I think HeroesWiki is a website not just about a show, no about the universe .. the Heroes universe. From locations till other stuff that plays within that. (even nightclubs) RGS from the Heroes universe have like their own article. It would be great to have Villains and Heroes under one roof, Villains being the little brother so to speak. And I think it would be cool to then have the opportunity to add links to certain HeroesUniverseKeywords when like the ability of Lightning comes up in a Episode Breakdown you can link it to the page dedicated to that ability. It would look better. Please, please please just think about it. I'm only asking this so there is a space on one of my favorite websites for fans of both Heroes and Villains to go to. Not asking for a invasive taking over VillainsWiki .. just a new subcategorie dedicated to Webseries/Fanseries under Fan Creations so Villains can be expanded to 3 or 4 pages. (just like the relationships categorie -- of what I think is kinda pointless, not to offend anyone -- but even relationships got their own categorie) -- DarthYotho 18:13, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
  • But I really think that you are missing the point. Relationships have their own category because they are a collection of Heroes creations in the Heroes universe. Villians isn't part of the Heroes universe. It's spin-off which in effect has its own universe, it has no connection to the characters or powers of Heroes. Asking for a spin-off to have a category is not worth it because thats not the reason people come here for. Thats like KFC selling a Big Mac, people don't go in there to buy it and if they did want one; they would go to the proper place. Villians has a few dedicated sites of it's own and if people want info on it, they should go there. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 19:39, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
    • Nicely put, Seclusion. I would add that there is a three-in-one KFC, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell in my neighborhood, but when you go into the store you find out that each brand has its own sign and counter.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
      • Well too bad I'm the only one seeing things different. But I guess your the only ones responding so that's 2/3 votes against and 1/2 in favour. It just seems right Heroeswiki also pays attention to other stuff happening under Heroes' fan base and the universe. -- DarthYotho 16:49, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
        • There's a difference between paying attention and going all out. We have Category:Fan Creations, so we're paying attention somewhat.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:03, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
        • Heroes Wiki was created initially just to document the series itself. As it grew we found there was value in documenting different fan creations as well. Since the primary focus of Heroes Wiki is to document the show itself, we make sure that fan creations did not take up more than a single article. This fit in line with the actual intention of the fan creation articles: to document their existance and provide some background information on them. The intent of the fan creation articles is not to go into a great amount of detail. The wiki is focused on documenting the show itself. Fan creations exist in the periphery so we don't exclude them, but we also don't focus on them which is why we try to restrict each one to a single article. In the future this may change and some fan creations may extend onto multiple pages and have their own categories, but at this time it looks like the current consensus is to continue restricting all individual fan creations to a single article to keep the focus of Heroes Wiki on documenting the show itself. (Admin 17:18, 8 May 2008 (EDT))
          • I agree with this. --DocM 17:53, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
  • When reading the reaction of Admin I understand the focus has to be on Heroeswiki and that not all fancreations have to be future explained. Who knows, maybe when re-aranging the page that Villains already has it still looks better. But I was just fond of having furture information that is furture explained beside a official website. I dunno Wikipedia is a cool idea to explain something and have fans add their own views on how to put one episode together. I just thought HeroesWiki as a place for this a place where fans can get together for all things Heroes (including fan-projects), but looks like you think it will draw some focus of off Heroes or something and rather want a new wiki created for Villains (which takes upt too much time in my opinion). HeroesWiki seemed the right place for this, but looks like it wasn't ment to be.

Other comments/questions

  • Anyone else notice the similarity in name between Dane and Dale? Also, both did auto mechanic work. Can anyone tell who Lenny is in credits? Was it supposed to be Lenny instead of Tony? It sounded like Tony to me...--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:45, 4 February 2008 (EST)
  • Hey Guys! My Name is Chris Rymer aka the Creator of Villains. I'm writing the first season with the help of 3 other writers. I appreciate you guys taking the time to put this together. I don't know how to use Wiki so sorry if I'm screwing up the format. I'll answer some questions that I've noticed so far. We are independent, we're just fans who love Heroes! Lenny is actually the character who talks to Reid as he walks into the office. Lenny plays a bigger role down the line. I'm really excited to see that you guys enjoy the series. We really rushed the first episode so it's not as "professional" as we would have liked it to be. The second episode will be longer and better in my opinion! Once again, I greatly appreciate it! I would be willing to answer any questions you might have about the series. Also if you guys wanted to do character pages I have access to some promotional pictures and bios, stuff like that. Let me know how I can help you! I can even try and get you guys credited somewhere on the site (once it's up) or an episode if the producer lets me. -- Crymer 01:42, 7 February 2008 (PST)
  • Ahh I commend you on your work Chris; It's quite intriguing to see a group of so passionate about something to the point that they create their own spin-off. I look forward to the next part! --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 05:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)
    • Thanks! I'm really glad you guys like it. I wish I could give you an exact date on the next episode, but I can promise that we're releasing as soon as it's done. We're aiming for the first week of March. We're already more than half way done with filming, which should wrap up Mid February. We honestly did all the editing for episode 1 in about a week, special effects in a day, and music in a day just to meet the deadline. Episode 2 we're spending a lot more time to make things better. What I can tell you is, episode 2 focuses on 2 new characters who already start off a lot more villainous (Reid and Dane are a role reversal story). Think, hot girls and more action. Oh yeah, and a good story. We have a lot in store for Volume 1 (as well as Volume 2 if we make it there). Keep the questions coming! -Chris Rymer (Crymer) 02:45, 7 February 2008 (PST)
    • BTW! I just noticed you're from Australia! A Villain from the next episode is from there. I hope the actor doesn't butcher the accent too much. -Chris Rymer (Crymer) 02:48, 7 February 2008 (PST)
    • I think too many people make to big of deal of the ascent. Sure it's noticeable in some cases, but usually American and Australian ascents are nearly the same. Mostly just stereotype. --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 06:56, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Update

The official website was updated 2/12/2008 with a revised video containing expanded credits. Still no word on part 2.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2008 (EST)

  • Episode 2 teaser poster can be found here: (http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh267/VillainsCreators/?action=view&current=l_1e2a9c36b5d488bb9777ee5f1432d3f2.jpg) -Chris Rymer 15:24, 16 February 2008 (PST)
    • Cool design. Thanks for keeping us updated, Chris. I just updated the page here to show the 4/4/08 release date for part two.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2008 (EST)
      • No, thank you! I can't tell you how much the production crew appreciates your work on the wiki. We check it like almost everyday (I know, we have no lives). We've just finished a couple scenes today, things are looking good. Like I said before, if you need anything from us, let me know! -Chris Rymer 12:34, 17 February 2008 (PST)
      • Alright guys, it's officially up. You can find it on youtube or our official web site. I hope you enjoy episode 2! -Chris Rymer 10:55, 4 April 2008 (PST)
        • What's the youtube link for part 2? I can't find the video there and the one at the official web site is running jerkily on my PC. I think I must be missing a lot of video frames cause the effects looked better in the first video. Also, the videos.html link no longer works for the official site. The second video is on the homepage so visitors can no longer access part one on the official site. Overall, the plot seemed alright but though Johnny's story is good, it seemed almost as if Johnny's story was 80% of the video; could have used additional character development for the model or put her in a different segment. Side note on the model: my first thought was that the model would sue the studio for more than what her contract was worth; if you'd made the accident due to a fight with Tina then it would have made more sense and add more to the revenge factor + a fight scene would have been cool and believable, imho (hindsight is 20-20, though). Nice touch though in adding the usernames of myself, Ryan, Seclusion and Admin to the credits.--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:15, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
          • If you go to http://www.youtube.com/villainstheseries you should be able to find it there. Thanks for the criticism, it's always appreciated. Johnny was one of the original cast of 5 that we came up with. It wasn't until later that we developed some of the other characters and unfortunately it shows some times. Certain things get rushed and cut when you're meeting deadlines. It's funny how you can stare at a script for two months and not catch little plot holes like that. I'm glad you enjoyed the episode at least some what. The web site is under construction and should be back up shortly with both parts. -Chris Rymer 09:14, 5 April 2008 (PST)
            • Thanks for the link. The youtube player does a much better job of displaying the effects, making them look much cooler and eliminating most of the jerkiness.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:50, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
        • I just checked it out on Youtube and I like it. I'd love to see the episodes get longer, too. Beefing up the screen time of the other characters as MiamiVolts said should take care of that nicely. and thanks so much for the shout out at the end of the episode. :) (Admin 12:07, 6 April 2008 (EDT))
        • I'll just pop in here to commend you on that ascent. Cheers for the mention. =) --  Seclusion  talk / contribs 19:47, 7 April 2008 (EDT)