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Not all of these are brain penetration, particularly the ones where Sylar uses blunt force to kill someone. All they do at most is crack the skull. Usually it's done to knock them out.--Riddler 16:25, 22 December 2008 (EST)
- Which example is the brain not penetrated when the object is slammed into the skull? The only one not showing an object sticking out of the brain is Brian Davis, and that's only because we don't have that screen-cap. The crystal was pointed, and since Sylar had access to Brian's brain prior to knowing TK, the crystal would have had to have penetrated Brian's brain to give Sylar access to it. I believe all of the other examples show the penetrating object sticking out of, or going into the brain. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/22/2008 16:36 (EST)
- Again, even though it was pointed and he had access to the brain, this doesn't mean he penetrated the brain with it, it means he penetrated the skull. Same goes for Candice, he just used the mug to knock her out, and likely break her skull open.--Riddler 16:50, 22 December 2008 (EST)
- How can penetrating the skull with an object, not also penetrate the brain? I found an uploaded a specific picture of Sylar pulling a bloody shard of glass out of Candice's brain today; just like the shards that have been found penetrating Peter and Sylar. (here). Based on the scale of Sylar's bent fingers, and the blood-stain on the shard, it would have at least penetrated an inch into her head from that picture. I think an inch into the head would be more than enough to penetrate the brain. I'll see if I can't get a screen-cap tonight from season one's Brian Davis scene, of either the actual hit (I think it is off-screen); or the bloody crystal afterwards, showing how far the spike penetrated. But again, if the crystal penetrated enough to bust the skull open, it's pretty remote that the crystal didn't also penetrate the brain. Neither of those attacks were "surface wounds" just to the scalp, but rather penetrating smashes with the intent on gaining access into the brain. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/22/2008 16:57 (EST)
- A crystal can crack open the skull and not penetrate the brain. We should not assume that the crystal penetrated the brain unless it's confirmed as such. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2008 (EST)
- I just rechecked the frames from Six Months Ago and Villains; and neither show the back of Brian's head or the crystal in a conclusive way to show it penetrated beyond the scalp. I'll remove his reference, and mention it's possibility in the notes section.--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/22/2008 20:05 (EST)
- A crystal can crack open the skull and not penetrate the brain. We should not assume that the crystal penetrated the brain unless it's confirmed as such. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2008 (EST)
- How can penetrating the skull with an object, not also penetrate the brain? I found an uploaded a specific picture of Sylar pulling a bloody shard of glass out of Candice's brain today; just like the shards that have been found penetrating Peter and Sylar. (here). Based on the scale of Sylar's bent fingers, and the blood-stain on the shard, it would have at least penetrated an inch into her head from that picture. I think an inch into the head would be more than enough to penetrate the brain. I'll see if I can't get a screen-cap tonight from season one's Brian Davis scene, of either the actual hit (I think it is off-screen); or the bloody crystal afterwards, showing how far the spike penetrated. But again, if the crystal penetrated enough to bust the skull open, it's pretty remote that the crystal didn't also penetrate the brain. Neither of those attacks were "surface wounds" just to the scalp, but rather penetrating smashes with the intent on gaining access into the brain. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/22/2008 16:57 (EST)
- Again, even though it was pointed and he had access to the brain, this doesn't mean he penetrated the brain with it, it means he penetrated the skull. Same goes for Candice, he just used the mug to knock her out, and likely break her skull open.--Riddler 16:50, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Ah..
This is listed as an ability in the template, I'm sure it should be listed elsewhere. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:23, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Regeneration
I think this article would be better if it focused only on the effect brain penetration has on regenerators. Things like Candice and the mug or Eden committing suicide just aren't relevant to the opening sentence of the article.--Citizen 02:00, 23 December 2008 (EST)
- Completely agree. Those instances are better covered on the brain article. I think this article is strongest if it talks about that "one specific spot" that Claire, Peter, Victoria, and others have referenced. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:12, 23 December 2008 (EST)
- I think you are limiting the article by changing it to solely focus on regenerators. While most of the examples so far focus on penetrating the brain is to stop regenerators; we also know that penetrating the brain also stops non-regenerators (like Linderman) from being able to use their ability. Had DL phased through Linderman's heart, Linderman would have been able to heal. By DL phasing through his brain, however, the brain penetration hit the E.H. softspot so to speak, that this page is addressing, and prevented Linderman from healing. Linderman wasn't a regenerator, but could have healed himself if any wound except the brain had been inflicted upon him. Bottom-line, doing a Brain penetration on any E.H. and hitting that special spot, will cause them to not be able to access their ability, regardless of whether or not they are of the 'regenerator' type. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/24/2008 09:53 (EST)
- It was already confirmed that a healer (Linderman and Ishi) can't heal themselves or other healers. Even if D.L. had phased through his heart, he couldn't have been able to heal. We have these articles related to abilities to demonstrate effects other things have on abilities, and vice-versa (nosebleeds, drugs, et al.). If you think this shouldn't be the case, then please refrain from making further edits to this page until a consensus check is made or a general agreement is reached.--Citizen 10:21, 24 December 2008 (EST)
- This article is about brain "penetration". Doesn't penetrating the brain kill a non-regenerator anyway? That's why Claire is the only victim of Sylar's to survive. Clay wise 14:39, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
- It was already confirmed that a healer (Linderman and Ishi) can't heal themselves or other healers. Even if D.L. had phased through his heart, he couldn't have been able to heal. We have these articles related to abilities to demonstrate effects other things have on abilities, and vice-versa (nosebleeds, drugs, et al.). If you think this shouldn't be the case, then please refrain from making further edits to this page until a consensus check is made or a general agreement is reached.--Citizen 10:21, 24 December 2008 (EST)
- I think you are limiting the article by changing it to solely focus on regenerators. While most of the examples so far focus on penetrating the brain is to stop regenerators; we also know that penetrating the brain also stops non-regenerators (like Linderman) from being able to use their ability. Had DL phased through Linderman's heart, Linderman would have been able to heal. By DL phasing through his brain, however, the brain penetration hit the E.H. softspot so to speak, that this page is addressing, and prevented Linderman from healing. Linderman wasn't a regenerator, but could have healed himself if any wound except the brain had been inflicted upon him. Bottom-line, doing a Brain penetration on any E.H. and hitting that special spot, will cause them to not be able to access their ability, regardless of whether or not they are of the 'regenerator' type. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/24/2008 09:53 (EST)
- In Into Asylum Sylar tells Danko that the "spot" on his head he would have to shoot to kill him is very small. Could it be that Danko simply missed with the knife at the end of I Am Sylar which is why Sylar didn't stay incapacitated? Clay wise 14:36, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
- I honestly don't think so. I think it has something to do with his DNA rearranging itself due to his power like he said after he got that new tooth.--WarGrowlmon18 15:31, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
- Seems like Rapid Cell Regeneration can only evolve so far. That would freak me out if stabbing Sylar in the brain doesn't even subdue him. I think the reason he got the new tooth was his mind having problems adjusting to his shape shifting ability and him starting to lose his identity. Psychological problems shouldn't have anything to do with a passive power like RCR. I could be wrong, but it seems like there's more to it then just DNA rearranging itself because of his shape-shifting power. Clay wise 16:53, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
- I honestly don't think so. I think it has something to do with his DNA rearranging itself due to his power like he said after he got that new tooth.--WarGrowlmon18 15:31, 22 April 2009 (EDT)