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Talk:The Company/Season One

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The history here needs a lot of work for grammar and style (particularly perspective and person). One consistent problem I've seen throughout is a problem with antecedents. For example, the Genesis history read "After getting his father's old taxi driver job, Mr. Bennet takes a ride in his taxi." Mr. Bennet did not get his father's old taxi job--Mohinder did.

The paragraphs should also be broken with two carriage returns instead of <br> tags.--Hardvice (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Thanks for catching the errors, Hardvice. I was mainly just trying to summarize as much as possible when I wrote it and wasn't giving that much attention. I'll try to keep note of the style for the future.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:03, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Move

  • Do we want to use subpages or a pseudonamespace? In other words, should this be "The Company/Season 1" or "Season One:The Company"? I think we should keep all of the season one histories in a category together, so there's some appeal to the pseudonamespace. Subpages make a lot of sense, too, but they're not the most natural things to which to link. In any case, I think we should go for a simpler subpage name (like "The Company/Season 1" instead of "The Company/history (season 1)") to make links easier.--Hardvice (talk) 13:36, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Either "Season One:The Company" or "The Company/Season 1" make sense. I prefer "Season One:The Company". — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:16, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I like "The Company/Season 1" better, or even "The Company/season 1" (lowercase). "Season One:The Company" would be okay, but it makes it sound too much like The Company is the name of an episode instead of a group history.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:03, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I personally like the pseudonamespaces. I contemplated the same thing for the timelines, and decided that subpages clutters the name a bit. Something about the backslash, I don't know.--Bob 16:41, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Ok, how about we compromise and use "The Company:Season One"? That way it's at least implied that season one is a subset of The Company and not vice versa. Opinions?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Ugh. That gives us a separate pseudonamespace for each article. Yuck.--Hardvice (talk) 16:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
        • And in a way, The Company is a subset of Season One, because the Season One pseudonamespace would include all of the season one histories for the included articles, much like the Graphic Novel pseudonamespace includes all of the Graphic Novel issues articles. We'd have Season One:Claire Bennet, Season One:Peter Petrelli, etc. And we could link to the full history easily using pipes to strip the pseudonamespaces; we couldn't do that if the links were the other way around, or with subpages.--Hardvice (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
          • So if there's an episode next season entitled The Company, what should I expect to find when I search for 'Season Two:The Company'? Am I wrongly concerned about this? Since it'd definately be more difficult the other way around, can we add a prefix character or use a different interconnecting character to differentiate?--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:59, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
            • If there's an episode called "The Company", it'd be "Episode:The Company", not "Season Two:The Company". The episodes namespace is for episodes and the Seasons pseudonamespaces would be for histories of individual articles. There's no need to archive the episodes, so there's no conflict. I'm missing your point, I think.--Hardvice (talk) 18:11, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
              • Ok, the users will just have to put on their wiki hats when they use this forum. j/k ;) Anyways, I guess I was thinking there was a problem where there isn't one. I was stemming my thoughts in that the writers were using the ':' mark to denote episode or season names (ie. Volume One:Genesis), and that the wiki tended to do the same thing.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
                • PS. Check out 'Template:Nav'. On this navbar, episodes are referenced as Season One: The Hart Part.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
                  • We're going to have problems if they name an episode the same as any article (like if they call an episode "Matt Parkman" or "Empathic mimicry" or anything). The Seasons pseudonamespace doesn't really make this problem any worse or any more likely ... it's just another challenge in such an instance. As for the Season One on the navbar, it's only there because the episode navbar is designed to be Season-specific. When episode 201 rolls around, the "Previous" button will go back to How to Stop an Exploding Man, but the list of episodes will be blank (except for Episode 201). The season number is just there to make it easier to tell where you are if you're using the next and previous buttons to navigate. It can be relabeled or removed if need be, but I really doubt it will cause any problems ... particularly since, again, the episodes don't get archived, so there won't be an article called "Season One:The Hard Part".--Hardvice (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
  • So I probably should have checked this discussion before moving the pages, but I'm going to feel confident that I can put forth some arguments in favor of the way I just set them up. :) Psuedo-namespaces are a bit messy. They're back from when I didn't really understand that it didn't automatically create a real namespace when I did that. The convention just stuck and in certain instances I think it's good. Think of a namespace (or pseudo-namespace) as just that: a "name space". My intention was to be able to give articles the same name even if an episode, graphic novel, or character shared the same name as an episode. So namespaces are more for completely different articles that happen to share the same name. Subpages, on the other hand, are more for organizing information about a specific topic. Subpages make more sense here since they're expanding on information in the parent article. I'd like to avoid creating any additional psuedo-namespaces since they don't really accomplish much good and make creating new namespaces more work since those existing articles have to be renamed, etc. Any new namespaces should be real namespaces which involves some additional configuration on my end and should be used sparingly for different collections of articles. Episodes info, graphic novel info, and character/place/etc. info are all pretty different so there is a logic to having them split into multiple namespaces, though it was by no means absolutely required. As far as linking to the season histories is concerned, the pseudo-namespaces do make it a little easier to pipe link it, but I think we'll be using templates for the links soon enough so it shouldn't be a big deal. (Admin 18:04, 25 May 2007 (EDT))
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