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This is my favorite template name.--Hardvice (talk) 02:07, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Graphic Novel:Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, Part 2

Would enhanced speed be listed on this template due to Daphne's proximity of Peter running from the Haitian?--Bob (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Since the Hatian was there, Peter's power was being blocked, which means he wouldn't have been able to absorb Daphne's power. --Piemanmoo 20:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
    • The template lists powers he was exposed to. If you recall, he has yet to mimic the Haitian's power, but he was exposed to it in Season One on the rooftop of the Deveaux building. His ability to absorb is irrelevant. --Bob (talk) 20:28, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
      • I think Peter hasn't absorbed the Hatian's power because his power is automaticaly blocked in his presense anyways. So since his own ability wasn't active at the time, he wouldn't have been able to absorb any powers anyways. See where I'm getting at? --Piemanmoo 20:38, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
        • You're missing the point. The Haitian was around when Peter met Bob. Regardless of Peter being able to absorb the ability, he was exposed to the ability, thus the name of this template. If you look, alchemy is listed because Peter was exposed to the ability. It has yet to be shown if the Haitian blocks the absorption aspect of Peter's ability, but he certainly blocks the mimicry aspect. As such, Peter was still exposed to alchemy, as well as enhanced speed.--Bob (talk) 20:48, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
          • He was exposed to Bob and Daphne, but he wasn't exposed to their powers. With the Haitian around, Peter pretty much has no powers of his own. Peter wasn't exposed to Daphne's power any more than the Shipping yard guard was, he was just around her. The Hatian doesn't just block aspects of an ability, he blocks the entire ability. If peter can't call forth powers, then it makes sense that he also cant absorb new ones.--Piemanmoo 20:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
            • That's speculative. We don't know exactly how the Hatian's ability negation work, he could have blocked Peter's conscious efforts to activate his abilities, but maybe he didn't negate the exposure to Daphne's power, since Peter's absorption is "automatic". Since we don't know for sure, I think we should add it as an exposed power.--Referos 21:09, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
              • I agree with Bob, exposed has a different meaning than absorbed, so "enhanced speed" should remain listed.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:20, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
      • Personally, I don't feel the Haitain-Peter issue has been cleared up yet. It's possible that Peter has already absorbed the Haitian's ability, as it is not always 'on.' It's also theoretically possible that Peter could 'break through' the Haitian's ability. Even though Future Peter in FYG wasn't able to Matt was, on two occassions, gaining one word each time. If it is ever confirmed that Peter has the Haitian's ability, however, it does seem to create a paradox (what cancels what?).Stevehim 09:50, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Range of Peter's power

Have we established a range for the power yet? We assume he has Micah's, DL's and Molly's powers from Kirby Plaza een though they were a good distance away. How much further (if at all) was Sylar when Peter was in the bank? If it's within range, we'd have to add at least clairsentience to the list...Stevehim 09:30, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Sylar was definitely in the area and quickly appeared in the bank soon after both versions of Peter disappeared, which implies he was very close. I'd say Peter's been exposed to it, especially given the range he absorbs DL's power from... and Sylar was very likely closer than that. Photolysis 09:34, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Knox's Power

Is there any need to include this? At the moment there doesn't seem to be any difference between Knox's enhanced strength and conventional super strength, other than that Knox's has a limitation. Even if the two are different powers, would it really have any effect? Unless Peter could feed off fear and use normal super strength to have 'super super strength'? Photolysis 09:34, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • It could be argued that Niki's is the one with the limitation, as it probably has an upper limit, whereas Knox's grows with the amount of fear that is around (similar to how the Hulk's grows with anger). It's also unclear as to whether the strengths are compounded or not (ie - he may have Niki's strength all the time and then add whatever strength he gains from fear to it). --Stevehim 09:37, September 30, 2008 (EDT)

Does Peter absorb Future Peter's powers?

And does Peter have one power or many?

Copying the points made so far from User talk:Admin Stevehim 10:11, 30 September 2008 (EDT)


  • We're putting Sylar's powers he hasn't displayed on the list, shouldn't it stand to reason that we should put Future Peter's powers there too? The idea that his power wouldn't absorb Future Peter's power is only based on assumptions (eg - it's the same person). It also seems that the list is being used for powers he was exposed to, not whether he obtained them (eg - the Daphne discussion with the Haitian being present). --Stevehim 09:28, September 30, 2008 (EDT)
  • There are some weird implications to him being able to mimic abilities from his future self, so it's a road I'm not so sure that the writers intend to follow. I think rather than muddying things up between Peter and Future Peter that we'd be better off excluding powers from Future Peter until such time that we actually see him mimic an ability he only was exposed to by Future Peter. Until then I think it's reasonable that the only ability he'd even be exposed to by Future Peter is his ability mimicry. Sylar is different than Peter in that he actually has multiple abilities now versus Peter who has a single ability (to mimic the abilities of others). I suppose it can be a tricky distinction. (Admin 09:38, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
    • Fair enough on the Peter/Future Peter front. I do want to say that while I see the difference between Sylar's and Peter's powers, I don't see how that leads to Peter only having one power. He doesn't lose the powers he's mimicked, so they can be said to be his (for instance, there's no evidence that if his mimicry was somehow taken away that he'd lose all his other powers, as his DNA has already reconfigured). Stevehim 09:49, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
      • It's stated that Sylar and Peter both change their DNA to gain new powers. Peter absorbs them "like a sponge" whereas Sylar uses his innate power to reconfigure his DNA. The mechanism might be different, but the overall effect appears to be the same. Since Peter can absorb Sylar's powers, there doesn't appear to be any reason why he couldn't absorb any from his future self. There's also the strange fact that Peter absorbed space-time manipulation from a future version of Hiro who no longer exists due to the timeline being erased, yet that didn't seem to create any paradoxes ;) Photolysis 09:54, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
        • They're good points... make them on Template talk:Peterexposed where they can attract more discussion and if there's overall agreement then we can start adding them. The distinction between Peter's ability and Sylar's appears to be that Sylar is adding the abilities to himself (so his DNA would reflect those added abilities) whereas Peter's single ability allows him to mimic (like a chameleon) and dynamically express a given ability. Sylar has multiple abilities, Peter has a single ability. Like I said, it can be a tricky distinction to get sometimes. In any event, start a discussion on Template talk:Peterexposed and we'll see what results. (Admin 10:01, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
          • This exchange makes me think Peter has multiple powers, just like Sylar:

Mohinder: Peter's specific DNA allows for a blend. Like colors in a mosaic, resequencing itself to mimic the abilities of those around him. Nathan: Like a chameleon. Mohinder: More like a sponge. It's that last line that makes me think powers are absorbed permanently in to the DNA, instead of reconfiguring on the fly as Peter uses a power. Photolysis 10:19, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

  • It's also worthwhile to note that we don't have to necessarily speculate as to how Peter's power works, but rather instead whether we more simply want to consider Peter exposed (in terms of his power mimicry) to all the abilities of his future self or not. It's just my impression of how Peter's ability works that leads me (currently) to think that he wouldn't be exposed to them in terms of his power mimicry. (Admin 10:22, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
  • Depending on how the body insertion works, it's also possible that Peter was briefly on level 5 as Peter, and would've gotten all the abilities before being put into Jesse's body (though there really wasn't much time, since Matt was in hot pursuit). Stevehim 10:34, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I submitted to CBR the question of whether he absorbs the individual powers Future Peter has or not. Hopefully it will be answered within a couple weeks by either the show or the writers interviewed on CBR. (Admin 16:41, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
    • That's cool, Admin. I submitted some questions last week, but the promised Behind the Eclipse didn't seem to come. Have you or anyone else heard anything?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:46, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I have not. I just figured I'd get the question into the bucket there and see if it was interesting enough to get asked. (Admin 16:49, 30 September 2008 (EDT))
  • Did we decide to wait for an answer, a consensus, or more defnitive evidence on this? I thought we did, but I don't want to re-remove the stuff without knowing for sure. Stevehim 19:18, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
    • There's no consensus yet, so I went ahead and removed them again. (Admin 19:42, 3 October 2008 (EDT))
  • My question made the latest CBR thank goodness... plus a bit of humor. :)

The entirety of the Heroes Wiki wants to know: “Does Peter's ability allow him to mimic the individual abilities his future self has learned or does encountering his future self only actually expose him to his own mimicry ability?”
The second one. A truly excellent question, which we argued about for a week. If only we had the entire of Heroes Wiki there to mediate and explain it so clearly, we could have seen our kids that week.

Excellent reply, guys! Thanks! (Admin 23:49, 6 October 2008 (EDT))

  • The entirety of Heroes Wiki? Heh. I'm not sure if we should be offended or appreciative of that phrasing, LOL.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:36, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I didn't provide a name, so it was based on the email coming from my heroeswiki.com email address. (Admin 20:41, 7 October 2008 (EDT))
  • So did that reply mean he doesn't get exposed to future peters abilities?
    • Right. Just Future Peter's own empathic mimicry. GabrielPetrelli 13:36, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

Clairsentience

I think this should be listed, as Sylar was likely with radius of Peter (based on a comparison of his distance to DL, Micah, and Molly), even though he wasn't actually in the bank. There's nothing to indicate that walls interfere with Peter's ability. Stevehim 21:29, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Judging by the end of the most recent episode, I'd say grabbing Sylar by the neck qualifies as being exposed to it. If he wasn't before, he is now. --Goji 22:24, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

In the season 1 season finale he was fighting Sylar and they were practically within slapping distance of each other but the ability of Intuitive Aptitude is listed as being absorbed from the Sylar in the exposed future (though the person wrote villain future, which I have now changed to exposed to remain consistent with the Peter of that future) so until we establish a way of determining when he is exposed to a power that Sylar has we shouldn't list it yet. Plus there is the fact that all the other powers that Sylar has had during their encounters are not listed either. --Snow Leapord 22:30, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

    • Exposed and mimicked are two different things ... Besides, his absorbtion ability doesn't seem consistant. He absorbed DL's power without it being used at Kirby Plaza, yet he, clearly, didn't get Intuitive Aptitude at that time ... maybe it's because Sylar has multiple abilities ? Maybe it's because it wasn't in the script ? We simply don't know. As such, when Peter comes in contact with an evolved human, their power(s) should still be listed in the exposed section, in my opinion, until we have confirmation that he did / didn't pick up said power --LeoChris 23:07, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

After Sylar picked Clairsentience, wasn't exposed future Sylar the one Peter met first? That would make future Sylar the one who exposed him to the ability, not present day Sylar? Intuitive Empath 20:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Arthur's Ability

When should we list Arthur's Ability as being exposed to, because it technically happened before the events of the first episode. --Snow Leapord 22:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Well, Peter doesn't seem to have his power prior to the events in Genesis. Also, since he hasn't met Arthur since Genesis, I think the safest bet would be to list it at the end of the list. I didn't see the talk page before, sorry about reverting your edit earlier without responding here first. --LeoChris 23:42, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
    • He also didn't seem to have Precognitive Dreaming at the time either, he didn't seem to have Flight at first either. He had both well before Genesis and the same goes for Arthur's ability. Dying of the Light is only listed to conform with the standard set of listing an episode with the power and original source of the power. --Snow Leapord 23:46, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
  • It should go at the end of the list. They should be chronological by episode and there's no evidence he ever was exposed to it prior to this episode. (Admin 23:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
    • Adam gathered those with abilities to form The Company. If had not manifested before he "died" Adam would not have brought him into The Company. Peter was later born, he would have been exposed to at any point in his childhood and adulthood before Genesis. --Snow Leapord 23:52, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
      • That's speculation, though. We don't know when Peter began manifesting his ability for that matter. He may not have ever been present around his father after he started manifesting his mimicry. (Admin 23:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
        • It isn't speculation those are the facts as presented by the show. Adam gathered those with powers, Peter was born, Peter absorbs the abilities of those around him. Thus before Genesis Peter absorbed the power. --Snow Leapord 23:56, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
          • No, they do not all manifest their abilities from birth. Claire did not manifest until she was a teenager for example. We don't know when Peter first manifested exactly and we don't know if he was ever in his father's presence once Peter did start manifesting his mimicry ability. (Admin 23:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT))
            • I agree that they don't all manifest @ birth, but didn't Claire survive the house fire as a baby due to her ability? I guess technically there's no *proof*, but it was strongly hinted. GabrielPetrelli 12:20, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Villains

Should we account healing and power absorption in another episode? In Villains, we saw Hedi's accident, which Peter saw in his dreams, indicating he had already mimicked it from his mother, that implies that at the dinner/party, he would have been exposed both to his father's ability and to Linderman's. Intuitive Empath 10:09, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Sounds good to me... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Ok then, I'll put power absorption and healing being mimicked in Villains. Just one question: do we list the powers in the chronological order they were exposed or in the order of the episodes? Intuitive Empath 12:32, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Hmmm.... not so sure about that. I would assume chronological order, not episodic order, like how powers are listed in the infoboxes for Peter, Sylar, Arthur, etc. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 12:38, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Chronological order storyline wise, not based on the order in which the episodes come out. --Snow Leapord 14:11, 11 November 2008 (EST)
In that case, Peter used Phasing first to breakout of Primatech in "Four Months Ago", It should go before Lightning. I'll fix it. --Powermimic 03:11, 24 November 2008 (EST)

Finalizing - exposed to same power more than once

  • So, since it appears that this list won't be changing, I thought I'd bring up something with regards to finalizing it. Shouldn't we list powers that he'd been exposed to that he already had (eg - enhanced strength from Knox and pyrokinesis from Flint)? I don't know if it was ever explicitly stated in an interview what happens in that situation, but if it wasn't I think they should be listed here, as they are slightly different from the powers he absorbed from Niki and Meredith, albeit grouped under the same thing. A basis for doing this would be that if Sylar had removed a power he already had, we'd probably list it separately with a note that he'd already acquired it from another source (the wording on his page about Echo supports this conclusion). If we'd do it for Sylar and intuitive aptitude, I don't see why we wouldn't do the same for Peter and empathic mimicry. Any thoughts/objections? --Stevehim 19:46, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
    • Even if the abilities are slightly different, he's still been exposed to them, so it wouldn't matter. More importantly, he's demonstrated them, so it's on the peterdemonstrated template, not this one. This template lists powers he's been exposed to but not demonstrated.--Bob (talk) 19:58, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
      • This is true, but I was just saying that, as it is, the information is incomplete (and possibly, theoretically inconsistent). Since he's listed as having gained enhanced strength from Niki (and Niki alone), it bypasses the Knox fear-sensing/limitation aspect of the power (ie - it implies he was never exposed to the power via Knox), as well as the ability to generate blue flames instead of orange ones (Flint v Meredith). It's also false to assume that once a person has an ability (or, in this case, is exposed to it), that they have access to all aspects of the different variations of the ability. If Sylar had taken Paulette's power, we wouldn't assume he could shoot red sparks from his hands.
The inconsistency would arise if Sylar ever took a power he already had from a second source. We'd be forced to list it on his page, since he'd have likely killed to obtain it, but by this standard we shouldn't list it on his page under the powers acquired section, as it would already be there from the initial source. Another problem could have arisen if Peter had been exposed to a power from a second source, mimicked it, and stated that he'd obtained the power from that second source. In that case, we'd list it on the Petermimicked template with the second source (and episode) and remove it from the exposed page, which would mean that there'd be no evidence he'd been exposed to it prior. I guess it's not really a big deal, especially since the entire point is moot with him having lost his ability (which, btw, stinks, imo) and I suppose the Notes section is always an alternative. --Stevehim 23:23, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
  • I don't think it goes on the notes section because that's not where it belongs. I understand you're thinking behind this (I was a huge proponent of having Niki and Knox's abilities separate) but we define them as the same ability, and as such, Peter mimicked it already, so it goes on that template and not on the exposed template. It certainly wouldn't go in notes.--Bob (talk) 23:40, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I just meant that we could add a note saying that Peter has also been exposed to Knox and Flint's vertsions of their respective powers (or something along those lines), and so could access blue flames and the fear aspect, but I'm content with airing my voice on this talkpage instead and leaving things as they are (and praying that somehow we get information to revisit the idea of splitting the Niki/Knox abilities up...hough I won't hold my breath, considering they're both dead). :) --Stevehim 01:00, 19 April 2009 (EDT)