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== The time-stopping. ==
== Past Self ==

I'd keep that in there and move the "may or may not have" section. It makes sense to keep at least one occurance of each power in that list, and put the powers used more than once (invisibility, telekinesis) on the examples page. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 00:41, 2 March 2007 (EST)
*I went back and forth on that example. Because there was so much talk about it, I figured I'd take it out of the main page. It doesn't really matter one way or the other though, since it's on the [[examples of empathic mimicry]] page. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:45, 2 March 2007 (EST)
**I am still on the side that he did not stop time ---- And I think that the episode "Parasite" proves it. Sylar used TK to stop the bullet in midair --- much like Peter used TK to stop the tazers. I am now completely confident that I am right. I was a little iffy about it and was more like "Well there is not enough evidence to prove either way" and was hoping that it would be moved to unconfirmed. However, now I think people should totally not convey that it was STM until there is more proof that Peter can use STM. But I know that that will never happen on this board.[[User:Totallycharged|Guy]] 09:30, 7 March 2007 (EST)
***All I can say is listen to the audio when Peter is shot with the tazer. It's the biggest giveaway that he stopped time to do it. Just because two powers can be uses to stop a bullet doesn't mean they're the same power. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 09:35, 7 March 2007 (EST))
****Okay so that is one point of evidence to four or five counter evidence that Peter used TK. If Hiro stopped time, that means that Peter could not absorb his ability, because it takes TIME to absorb an ability. He is normally in the vicinity for at least a few moments usually minutes. If there was not just a short amount of time, but NO TIME then he could not absorb that ability. Claude is moving during the scene. If he would have stopped time that does not explain why it just dropped to the ground. Sylar, who to this point has never produced anything similar to STM, completed the same feat with TK. At no other time, does Peter show that he can use STM (other than this mentioned here). Hiro has the ability to move and manipulate things during STM and can STM with objects and other people making it completely simple to "awaken" peter during the time stop scene (especially after many 'unconfirmed' years of study and discipline to hone a skill) I am convinced that Peter not only didn't use STM, but CAN'T use STM till he meets Hiro in person, which I discern, is the significance of him only meeting Ando in Texas.
*****Nobody on this board has denied that Peter used TK with the Taser darts. The point of contention is not whether he used TK, it's whether he used STM. Evidence in favor of the former does not count as evidence against the latter. Since there is solid give-away evidence that he did use STM, and there has been no good evidence presented that he did not, it should stand as probable that he did.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 11:28, 7 March 2007 (EST)
*****Also, as to there being other evidence that Peter can use STM, we already have it. He used it when he met Future Hiro.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 11:30, 7 March 2007 (EST)
*****It should also be noted that Peter spent a few minutes (from his point of view) talking with Future Hiro, so he definitely had the opportunity to absorb the power. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:33, 7 March 2007 (EST)
******Since I'm not sure if these boards have really laid out the evidence that Peter absorbed STM when he met Future Hiro, I'll do that now. The scene begins with a shot panning around the people in the subway car frozen in time before it zooms back to show the back of Future Hiro walking alone. The audience can then see both Mohindar and Peter standing frozen in time at the end of the car. When Hiro gets close Peter unfreezes because of having absorbed Hiro's power when he came in range. Peter turns around and Hiro takes a second before recognizing him. Although it is now apparent that Hiro can extend the use of his power to include others, and Future Hiro is presumably more skilled with is power than we have seen with present Hiro, the order of events in the subway indicate that Peter was not brought into the time freeze by Hiro, but he entered it himself before Hiro recognized him.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 11:57, 7 March 2007 (EST)
*******The idea that Peter used space-time manipulation is pretty clear to me. However, since there have such ardent dissenters, we have tried to make it quite vague. It's listed on the [[Examples of empathic mimicry|examples page]] as an absorbed power. On this page, it's listed under the limits as a reproduced power, but the only example is listed as a "possible example". It's also listed on [[Peter Petrelli#Powers|Peter's page]]. In the end, we have to mention it, since so many believe it's quite clear. However, we must also recognize those that strongly believe otherwise. Because it's a somewhat gray area, I think we have done a nice job of straddling the line to appease both camps. Calling it a "possible example" allows for doubt, and mentioning Future Hiro lends support. I think our wording has handled the situation as best as possible. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 12:23, 7 March 2007 (EST)
********The wording is "Peter slowed and then stopped time when attacked with taser darts" and doesn't appear to leave ANY room for doubt. rewording it to something like "Peter possibly slowed and then stopped time when attacked with taser darts" and make some mention of the possibility of it being TK.--[[User:Joedu|Joedu]] 15:34, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
*********I think when Peter is having his vision with Charles in it, he asks if he is time-travelling. To me this suggested that he knows he can manipulate time, but not able to really control it, especially since he's passed out. [[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 13:46, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
* Not that NBC has the best track record when it comes to accuracy, but I'll mention for posterity that on the Heroes site one of their pictures from the episode is [http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/episodes/season1/116/unexpected_09.shtml#recap explained] as "While Claude and Peter discuss evolution on the rooftop, a dart hits Claude in the neck – the Haitian and Mr. Bennet have come calling. Peter stops the dart meant for him by freezing time. He then throws Claude off the rooftop and flies to the rescue in order to make their escape." ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 00:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT))
* After reviewing a video of the scene in question, it seemed that the darts ''fell to the ground'' after Peter supposedly froze time. If Peter froze time, wouldn't the darts just continue to strike him after he stopped the timefreeze? Additionally, it appears that the darts were quivering in mid-air. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xcdfJfQ6Y) [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 21:10, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
** Yes, the darts would continue if Peter only used Hiro's power, but the consensus is that Peter froze time, then used telekinesis to drop the darts. The thing that made it obvious that Peter stopped time was that Bennet and the Haitian were frozen in time.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 21:14, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
*** In that video is that someones breath frozen it time? -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 11:34, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
* People keep saying that the sound effects prove that Peter stopped time. However, when watching the episodes online, I've noticed that whenever Hiro stops time, there is a very distinctive sound, and it's nothing like what we hear when Peter stops the taser darts in Unexpected. You can listen to samples of the time stopping sound here: [http://www.frpmods.com/files/Conduit/miscellanious/hdontlookback.mp3] [http://www.frpmods.com/files/Conduit/miscellanious/hgs.mp3] [http://www.frpmods.com/files/Conduit/miscellanious/pfyg.mp3] [http://www.frpmods.com/files/Conduit/miscellanious/hhardpart.mp3] from One Giant Leap, Godsend, Five Years Gone (this time it's Future Peter), and The Hard Part, respectively. You can listen to the scene from Unexpected here: [http://www.frpmods.com/files/Conduit/miscellanious/punexpected.mp3]. We never hear that time stopping sound when Peter stops the tasers. I don't think we hear anything but the clicking noise slowing down. We never hear the background noise slowing down when Hiro stops time, either. Even in One Giant Leap when he stops time midway through the truck crash, the sound of the truck crashing into the stall simply stops. It doesn't sound like the scene of Hiro slowing then reversing time for Hope's gun and bullet either. You can listen to that scene here: [http://www.frpmods.com/files/Conduit/miscellanious/hhopegun.mp3] Also, we never hear the clicking noise start again in Unexpected. If he had stopped time, shouldn't the noise have started back up again as soon as time restarted? [[User:Conduit|Conduit]] 18:12, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
** I can listen to it again, but once time started back up I heard the taser clicking resume briefly. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 18:27, 11 June 2007 (EDT))
*** I don't hear anything like that. Shortly after the taser darts start dropping, if I listen closely, I can just barely make out something that sounds a little like crickets (it might be part of the music), but it's very different from the taser clicking sound. Listen to the beginning with the clicking sound, then skip directly to the end, and you'll see the difference. [[User:Conduit|Conduit]] 18:46, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
*** So, does anyone else have anything to say about this? [[User:Conduit|Conduit]] 12:27, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
**** Nope. Consensus is already that it is indeed an example of him stopping time plus as supporting evidence NBC's site says he stopped time (see above). If new material (such as an interview where they discuss that scene) is released then we can revisit this issue. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:39, 17 June 2007 (EDT))
***** Agree, Admin. You know, I was a little skeptical of what power it was after the first viewing way back when, and so I stayed out of the conversation a bit. Since then I've watched that scene may 8 or 9 times in different contexts, and it seems very obvious to me (from visual clues and audio clues) that Peter stopped time to stop the tasers in midair, then used telekinesis to make them drop to the ground. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:55, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

== Two things on the time stopping ==

How could it be TK with the sound effects? Also if you look, there is no blinking electrical light from the Haitian's tazer. There is on Bennet's before contact with Claude. Claude is also moving very slowly, definitely not spasming as quickly as he would with voltage moving through his body.

In response to 'Peter didn't have enough contact with Future Hiro to absorb his power', he had just about as much contact time as he did with Claire prior to healing, and he still was able to use it. [[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 17:23, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

(Sorry I'm new, feel free to move this into the other thread where I intended, unless I figure it out first).

==Multi-power Use==
I'm having an issue with the whole "invisibility and TK" at the same time claim. As I said, you can't conclusively say that someone who is invisible is using telekinesis, unless he's partially visible while the cup is moving toward him. Is there an image from the episode that would settle this question? --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:24, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

[[Image:Powers peter tk while invisible.gif]]

Here ya go.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 16:31, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
* OK, I can work with that. I'm wondering if we should use it in the article. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:34, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
** I've fiddled with working it into the page. It won't work as a thumb. Is this acceptable? Any other options? --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:41, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
***An animation only works when it's at full size. It looks fine on the page. I've also put the same image into the galleries of [[examples of empathic mimicry]], [[examples of invisibility]] and [[examples of telekinesis]]. It doesn't animate unless you click on the image, so the caption reads something like "''Watch as Peter uses two powers at once.''" &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:19, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
****Animations are also very large files and should be used '''very''' sparingly. Personally I'd rather we didn't use them in articles at all. They're often over 10x larger than static images. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 22:13, 29 May 2007 (EDT))
*I noticed that he starts to turn visible almost immediately after the cup begins to move. Isn't it possible that he switched to telekinesis without turning visible first, and it took a short time for the invisibility to fade? In The Fix, after Claude walks out of Peter's range (we see him fade from view from Peter's perspective), Peter stays invsible for a few seconds before fading back into view. [[User:Conduit|Conduit]] 19:11, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
** It's possible, but I think any conclusion remains speculative and not deductively established. It's possible that he just hadn't learned to control the ability to become invisible when not in Claude's presence. It's possible to argue that Peter's invisibility faded due to the psychological compulsion/fear of seeing the source of the invisibility walk away. Because this was a future timeline, it's also possible that multiple power use is something Peter doesn't gain until after a long time of training/experience. My observation for the above image is that the cup completes most of its movement before Peter even starts to become visible. And even this is debatable with any number of complicating factors such as whether the TK is used just to give the cup an initial tug and it slides to a stop due to regular friction, or whether he uses TK all the way from start to stop, etc.. --[[User:Glue|Glue]] 19:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
From the most recent Behind the Eclipse: [http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10692]

<blockquote>"Shaun asks, 'Was the fact that Nathan was needed to fly Peter away just done for dramatic effect since Peter has flight, too, or does this prove Peter only has access to one power at a time?'</blockquote>
<blockquote>It’s the latter. Peter even says, 'I can’t stop it. I can’t do anything.” Peter was helpless. There were two options. Kill Peter. Or Nathan could fly him away and try to save them all. Now, if Peter or Nathan survived and how – remains to be seen.'"</blockquote>

So it's quite possible that scene in Five Years Gone was a mistake. I've added this to the notes. [[User:Conduit|Conduit]] 18:05, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
*I don't think it was a mistake, I think what the writers meant was that Peter couldn't use his other powers while he was going nuclear, not that he can never use more than one power at a time. Come to think of it, when Peter and Claude have their fight with broom handles in Unexpected, they're invisible and Peter uses psychokinesis.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:42, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
**Right, I believe the writers were referring to that particular moment at Kirby Plaza, not in general. However, it ''is'' unclear in the interview, so the Notes is the best place for the info. But even if the statement were taken as you're interpreting it, I'm still not sure the scene in 5YG is a mistake. Five years is a long time to learn to control and access more than one power at a time. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 19:02, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
***I agree, there are many ways for one to interpret an interview. He seemed to be talking about the moment at Kirby Plaza, nothing else. It would be extremely pathetic and disappointing if Peter could only use one power at a time.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 21:46, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
****You guys might have already covered this, I might be going over old ground but I thought my two cents might come in handy - Peter was having considerable trouble controlling one highly unstable power (Ted's), it seems like all of his concentration was being used to keep this power in check, using flight would have meant abandoning this control over his radioactivity, possibly resulting in him going nuclear soon after he takes off. In the future when he uses two powers at once they are powers he has had plenty of experience with and (it looks like) he can control with minimal effort hence controlling the two powers at once is not a problem like controlling a newly acquired, highly volatile power must be. Sorry about the thesis I just love discussing Heroes theories :).
*I think that as of ''[[Episode:Kindred|Kindred]]'' the limits section needs to be updated, because Peter definitely healed '''while''' pinning Will against the wall with his telekinesis. O'course, it might be a good idea to add that some powers may be/are easier to double up b/c they require less concentration and/or are automatic (i.e. the regeneration), or something. Altho, if that does get worked into the article, please phrase that better. --[[User:Spellingbee|Spellingbee]] 23:43, 15 November 2007 (EST)
* Because there have been quite alot of multi-power useage examples by Peter and Sylar; and they are occuring more often with the future arc counterparts as well; I've created a page specifically to catalogue and reference all of the examples of when this has occurred; here: [[Examples of simultaneous powers]] <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/9/2008 12:51 (EST)</small>

==Empathic Mimicry and just Empathy==
I just watched Genesis again some days ago and didn't think of this until now. Peter said that when his father died, he felt it. I'm thinking that empathy was the first power Peter absorbed, possibly from his father because he mentions that he felt connected to him. --[[User:Rockyrojas88]]
*Claude calls Peter an "Empath"; mimicry is just one of the effects of Empathy. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 07:20, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
**ah, okay then thanks for clearing that up --[[User:Rockyrojas88]]
***Didn't Angela Petrelli say Peter had a heart just like his father (in addition to the 'depression', etc)? Maybe mimicry is Peter's power and he has just had empathy the whole time from his father as a young child, making being empathic (to people in general) something of Peter's core. Just a thought. [[User:OUChevelleSS|OUChevelleSS]] 19:13, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
****Peter's power is empathy. It's not his father's, and I don't think Angela ever said that. Do you remember the episode?--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 19:28, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
****can we change the name of this power classification to genetic mimicry? empathy is the sharing of emotions, not abilities.[[user:DawnTreader|DawnTreader]]
*****Peter mimics the abilities of others, but he recalls their abilities by remembering (consciously or unconsciously, as is currently the case) how they made him feel. His empathy for others allows the mimicry.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 11:32, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
******I tried to have it changed to just plan Power Mimicry in the past but because of the fact that Peter was called an empath (even though anyone can be considered one) and that he, in order to reuse the powers, has to remember how the person "made him feel" we decided to go with Empathic Mimicry. I agree that is should be just plain Power Mimicry because Empathy is the ability to sense others emotions and manipulate them even. Now in his current situation with no memory of the past, how is he able to use those powers when he can't even remember the people that used them orginally and how they made him feel is the only arguement I have to make.--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 16:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
*******Well, he's still feeling the emotions, even if he isn't relating them to the people he learned the power from. Look how out of control his anger got when he mimicked telekinesis against Will.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:41, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
********And that particular situation led some to claim that he acts like the person he's mimicked the power from. So when he's using one of Sylar's powers, he's like Sylar, and so on.--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 16:44, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
*********Can't we call his power Power Mimicry or possibly Empathic Power Mimicry. Empathic mimicry makes no sense according to Peter's power. In fact it doesn't make any sense at all. Hardvice, while you're right about how easily his anger gets out of control in conjunction with telekinesis and it has happened before in Unexpected in the climatic showdown over Simone and other crap between Peter and Isaac. I disagree that he becomes like the people who his is mimicing. He doesn't become like Elle when he starts throwing lightning bolts nor he acts D.L. when he phases nor acts like Claire when he regenerates. [[User:Elemental5293|Elemental5293]] 21:03, 4 January 2008 (EST)
**********I just assumed he was acting like Sylar because he was inadvertently activating intuitive aptitude. -- Signyour Poste
He wasn't. Not until "[[I Am Become Death|I Have Become Death]]".--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 10:11, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

== Peter's power collection ==

Under ''Limits'', it states that Peter does not necessarilly have to see a power being used in order to absorb it and cites Ted's power of [[induced radioactivity]] as an example. However, the information on [[induced radioactivity]] states that he cannot consistently control his powers, particularly when agitated. I believe Peter can only pick up powers that are used in his vicinity, whether consciously (like Claude's invisibility) or naturally (like Claire's regeneration). Ted potentially covers both.

This would explain why Peter has not exhibited the powers of many of the people he has come in contact with, particularly Sylar, from whom he only seems to have gained telekinesis, which Sylar directly used on him. However, under ''Theories'', it's indicated that creators have confirmed that Peter picked up all of Sylar's powers, but there is no citation for this. Does anyone have the link to the interview? --[[User:Nightxade|Nightxade]] 11:44, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

I was unsure about this too, but I noticed Peter has Phasing (presumably from D.L) yet he has never witnessed D.L using it. In fact, the only time I recall Peter seeing D.L (when not phasing) was when everyone was in Kirby Plaza, D.L was on the ground in pain since he had been shot by Linderman. D.L's power seems to be used consciously and he had a very high level of control on it. Peter must have copied this power just in the presence of D.L. Yet, he has shown no signs of Sylar's other powers when he is in his presence. --[[User:Dave|Dave]]

* And now it's even more confusing with Peter's memory loss. At first one could assume that if he didn't know about the power, he couldn't use it, such as Eden's Persuasion. With the TK, he saw Sylar use it before, so he knew it existed, and therefore, could use it. Now, with his memory loss, you can argue that he doesn't remember a thing about anyone, and therefore can't use any of his powers...the fact that he can means that not only can all the powers he's been around be used by him, but the theory that he needs to think, or 'feel', about the person to use it, is pretty much out the window. In the GN, Petrified Lightning, we see Peter thinking of Caitlin and his electromagnetism works, after a few attempts at getting it to work by itself. BUT, he used it as a instinctive defensive reaction in the cargo crate...If you weren't confused before, and now are, I'm sorry :P --[[User:Felixdakat|Felixdakat]] 05:09, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

* So if Sylar consumes powers along the way like he has with [[Candice_Willmer|Michelle's]] power, will Peter have that power as well or at least be able to resist it? Or is it a one time thing where the first time he met Sylar that was it, any powers at first meet is all he'll ever get. If Peter maxes out his powers at first meet he will not get the [[Unexpected|pin drop hearing]] or [[Run%21|liquefaction]] abilities.-[[User:Dogbert|Dogbert]] 05:54, 13 November 2007 (PST)

* I think Peter has to know the ability exist. His mother, father, Bob, and Eden all had powers and were in close contact with him but he doesn't know that they have powers or what they are. But theorhetically all he has to do is think of them and he has their powers. He should've thought of that. As of Sylar, I think he has to witness or know of Sylar's other powers and have another feeling or emotion towards Sylar for each ability such as cryokinesis, eidetic memory, superhuman hearing, liquefication, intuitive aptitude, etc. [[User:Elemental5293|Elemental5293]] 21:12, 4 January 2008 (EST)

==Claude's remark under Notes==

Claude says that it is "fitting for an "empath" to be a nurse". This is most likely not a reference to a previously nurse with powers reminiscent of Peter's that Claude may have known but a quip on the fact that nurses can be said to require a level of empathy on the job, an ability to relate to the patient. Claude is essentially making a pun, most likely not referring to a previous aquaintance. If noone objects to this reasoning I'll come back and delete this statement at a later date. --[[User:Marshmellis|Marshmellis]] 22:47, 5 November 2007 (EST)
*IMO, b/c it's a pun on the power, it can go in the notes section. Any other opinions? --[[User:Spellingbee|Spellingbee]] 23:46, 15 November 2007 (EST)
** Agreed. Marshmellis is missing the point; it doesn't matter whether it's a pun or not. He classified Peter as an "empath", which is worth noting on a page about his power. Nurses only enter into it because, as noted, it's a job that requires empathy. However, what's important is that Claude classifies Peter (and presumably others) as empaths, which is a reference to his power.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:52, 15 November 2007 (EST)
*** Given the heirarchy of name choices now clarified in the template, would it not be appropriate to just name this power "Empathy"? That's the only canon term that we have for Peter's ability. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:54, 19 November 2007 (EST)
****It is also the name of an emotion, which is confusing. However, seeing as we have Freezing and Lightning, it does make sense. --[[User:SomeoneImportant|SomeoneImportant]] 12:05, 19 November 2007 (EST)
***** What we have is "an empath", which is a canon description of the user, like what we have for "precognition", based on "precog" (except that "precognition" is also mentioned explicitly in Heroes Evolutions). When the canon source is a description, we can use that to make a canon-source name; usually, that's as easy as changing the part of speech ("fly" to "flight", "invisible" to "invisibility".) In Isaac's case, were it not for Heroes Evolutions, we probably could have opted for "precognitive painting" or the like and still been accurate, because "precog" would still describe someone with that ability. In this case, I think we may still need the "mimicry" side of things to get across that he copies powers, because "empathy" doesn't do that on its own. Someone who uses empathic mimicry would be empathic, and by extension an empath, but not all empaths would be able to mimic superpowers, which is why right now Claude's description is treated as a source for a descriptive name. I think it's fair to say that the canon description of Peter as an "empath" fits with the power "empathic mimicry" as readily as it does with "empathy", and "empathic mimicry" is less speculative because he hasn't shown any abilities traditionally encompassed by "empathy". It's also arguably not clear that a reference to Peter as an empath is a reference to his ability and not his personality, so I don't really mind that here, a description of a power is based on a canon-source statement about the wielder of the power. However, if we want to treat it identically to other names derived from descriptions like "flight", that's fine, too. Note, just to cut off any unnecessary wank, that "lightning" has nothing to with this conversation--the ability itself has been referred to as "lightning", so we're not deriving anything from a description in that case.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:41, 19 November 2007 (EST)
******Thanks for that breakdown, Hardvice. You have a way of organizing information in very clear way that flows nicely. Your organization makes a long read like the one above easy. It's important to note that in this case, Claude's comment is being used to describe the power rather than to outright name it. If anybody would like to read more discussion about it, there's [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#Not his power!|this link]]. There's a lot more discussion on the site about the topic, but I'm not really in the mood to track it down right now. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 14:50, 19 November 2007 (EST)

==Carbonizing the virus: Example of two powers at once==
Peter uses another example of two powers at once.
1) [[Induced radioactivity]] to turn the virus into carbon, and
2) [[Enhanced strength]] to press his hands together tight enough to seal in a nuclear reaction.
Otherwise, the nuclear reaction required to carbonize the virus would have also taken out several city blocks. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 12/3/2007 23:16 (EST)</small>
* That's ... uh ... an interesting theory. Of course, since it took Niki several minutes to bash down a sturdy door, the idea of using her strength to contain a nuclear explosion is a bit ... far-fetched. I think it's safer to assume either 1) the amount of radiation used to destroy the virus was a lot less than a nuclear reaction or 2)a wizard did it.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:06, 4 December 2007 (EST)
** Well, I guess that just also proves that he used his telekinesis to supliment his enhanced strength. [[User:Joser Kyind|Joser Kyind]] 00:09, 4 December 2007 (EST)
*** I think we're thinking too hard.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 00:11, 4 December 2007 (EST)
**** Ding ding ding! There were a lot of those moments in this episode. I thought it was a great episode, provided you don't dig too deeply into a lot of things.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:15, 4 December 2007 (EST)
***** Yeah, like why didn't he just phase through the door? It seemed to work well enough to get Adam and he out of the company's facility. ;) Sometimes you just need to sit back and enjoy the ride. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 01:05, 4 December 2007 (EST))
****** You know under ordinary circumstances, it wouldn't take Niki several minutes to break down the door. It was obviously a plot device to illustrate suspense. Niki actually is much stronger than she knows herself. You and me both saw Jessica break handcuffs sturdy and strong enough to contain an elephant. So she must be stronger than elephant. Probably because of budget contraints you don't see Niki or Jessica demonstrating this level of strength, though if you are able to toss oversized men around like ragdolls, rip the doors of a safe off, or rip people apart you're pretty strong. But Niki isn't strong enough to contain a nuclear explosion. I highly doubt that he used Niki's superhuman strength. He might have used telekinesis. But on the big door. He could have just tried to rip it off with superhuman strenght. Or just teleported Adam in. And then it was pretty cool to see Peter use Ted's radiation manipulation powers in that much of a controlled manner. [[User:Elemental5293|Elemental5293]] 21:28, 4 January 2008 (EST)
******* Dr. Witherson said that, and it was probably a figure of speech. Do you seriously believe that "those cuffs could keep an elephant in that chair"? Think about it. You're overestimating Niki's strength. --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 22:36, 4 January 2008 (EST)
******** It's not a question of overestimating Niki's power--sure, I'll go along with the idea that Niki could, I don't know, rip the [[Kirby Plaza building]] in half. That doesn't mean that those cuffs Niki was wearing could really contain an elephant. You're right, IV, it's a figure of speech and shouldn't be taken literally. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:53, 4 January 2008 (EST)
******** I agree about Niki's power not needing to be used. Ted was immune to his own radiation, so Peter is too. That's my explanation for it. As for why Peter didn't phase through the safe door, the answer is simple: traps. They didn't know what else the Company might have stored in that safe, and if they phased in there haphazardly, then they could be hurt.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:32, 5 January 2008 (EST)

== BBC references "Empathic Mimicry" ==

Just saw BBC3 special of Heroes Volume 1 name Peter's power as Empathic Mimicry. I think someone on this site came up with that, didn't they? Anyway just wanted to say that's cool for whoever it was. --[[User:SomeoneImportant|SomeoneImportant]] 18:23, 5 December 2007 (EST)
* It was a collaborative effort. We called it "power mimicry" until Claude's comment about "empaths," at which point it shifted to "empathic mimicry."--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:30, 5 December 2007 (EST)
** Do you guys know how stupid that is? Empathic mimicry; what the crap is that? It's basically like he mimics the emotions of others. I think what Claude meant was that Peter is an empath because as Claude has come across at least one another power mimic. Peter is unique in that sense since he uses empathy in conjunction with his power mimicry as to use the powers of others when he close to him. It fits because when even your friends and family are gone or haved passed away, they'll always be with you in your heart. I guess that's what Charles Deveaux meant. The empathy-based power mimicry subconsciously, most likely. So, shouldn't the power be called Empathic power mimicry? [[User:Elemental5293|Elemental5293]] 21:48, 4 January 2008 (EST)
*** Grammatically, "empathic mimicry" does not necessarily mean "mimicking the emotions of others". Empathic is an adjective which describes the mimicry, so it means something more along the lines of "mimicking with empathy" which ''does'' describe the way in which Peter uses his ability. "Empathic mimicry" is perfectly acceptable as a term to describe the power. That said, I don't mind "empathic power mimicry", I just don't think it's necessary to add on the "power" part since it's implied and then specified in the article's text--just as we don't call [[flight]] "flying through the air" or [[precognition]] "precognition manifested through art". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:19, 4 January 2008 (EST)
**They pegged Sylar's power as "He steals everyone elses". --[[User:SomeoneImportant|SomeoneImportant]] 18:32, 5 December 2007 (EST)
*See [[Talk:Mohinder's office#Research notes|here]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:09, 5 December 2007 (EST)

==Make it Clearer==

I think this page needs to make the difference between Mimicry and Empathetic Mimicry clearer. --[[User:Tesphen|Tesphen]] 17:32, 17 December 2007 (EST)
* I think it was well explained in the lead. Do you have any suggestions? --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}}
**Agree. I'm not sure what else could be added, but I'm open to ideas. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:34, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Rename? ==

As brought up [[Heroes_Wiki_talk:Ability_name_origination#Empathic_mimicry|here]], we may have a cannon trump cannon situation. To quote cannon references to this power:
"''Peter's specific DNA allows for a blend. Like colors in a mosaic, resequencing itself to mimic the abilities of those around him.''"

"''Like a chameleon?''"

"''More like a sponge. It's precisely why I've been studying him.''"

"''Could his condition become dangerous to himself or to other people?''"

"''If he absorbs too much, or comes into contact with an unstable ability, then most definitely yes.''"
:- [[Mohinder]], [[Nathan]] (''[[The Fix]]'')

"''A nurse who's an empath, very cute.''"

"''Empath, what's that mean?"

"''Means you're a pain in my ass, mate.''"
: - [[Claude]], [[Peter]] (''[[The Fix]]'')

This power is named, in canon, something entirely different by two separate "experts." The expert in the former conversation is an independent researcher taking up his father's research in [[Evolved Humans]]. The one in the later is a former employee of an organization that has been involved with the study and employing of [[Evolved Humans]] for over 30 years. This is similar to [[Talk:Adoptive_muscle_memory#New_name|what we experienced with Adoptive muscle memory]], but there the expertise of Mohinder outweighed the expertise of Micah. <br> As of now, we have a synthesis of the two names. <br> The question: should we (a) try to determine who trumps who in this matter to yield a canon name (b) Keep the existing non-canon name that was synthesized from two good canon names, possibly redefining canon to fit this name (c) come up with something completely different? --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 01:14, 4 January 2008 (EST)
* I'm not sure what you're advocating renaming it to. The information you quoted seems to imply that the current name "empathic mimicry" is appropriate. For clarification, though, the power wasn't "named" in canon rather it was described. I'm not sure if this point is relevent, but I mention it just in case since an explicit canonical naming of the power would reasonably override descriptions taken from canon sources. When scientific research in the show '''explicitly''' names an ability (as Mohinder did with [[adoptive muscle memory]]) it's essentially a special case where they're telling us in no uncertain terms what they're calling the ability. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 01:22, 4 January 2008 (EST))
** My opinion is to leave it as-is, for reasons already stated by SacValleyDweller and Admin above.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:27, 4 January 2008 (EST)
** Actually, Miami, I was trying to remain neutral just to broach the subject and not advocate anything in my post. Now, with thoughts more organized, I'll advocate my position(s): I think it needs to be renamed to something more accurate and/or has more look-at-the-name-and-get-the-power qualities to it. As it stands now the current name doesn't not meet these criteria. Taken literally/at face value, the name implies "Mimicry of Empathy." Layperson: "What's so great about Empathic mimicry, he can fake empathy?" Solutions: Implementing option (c) by renaming this power to "Empathic Ability Mimicry" would address both concerns, as it gives a general sense of the ability just by reading the three words and it incorporates the two descriptions better. To simplify and address only the "look-at-the-name..." concern: implement option (a) call Mohinder the better expert and rename this as "Ability Mimicry." --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 02:08, 4 January 2008 (EST)
*** Check out some of the previous discussions regarding the name "empathic mimicry" on this talk page. It's already received a decent amount of discussion and since the changes don't have to do with a more canonical reference now being available the previous discussions should cover this already. "Empathic mimicry" doesn't mean "mimicry of empathy", it's an adjective describing the mimicry which, as previously discussed, is empathic in nature. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:14, 4 January 2008 (EST))
**** Indeed, I think what SVD is thinking of would be "Empathetic mimicry" (the ability to mimic [not fake] another person's feelings about something/someone).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:23, 4 January 2008 (EST)
***** But Admin, you need to say what mimicry it is? The mimicry of empathy is exactly how it sounds after you look at the word. Power mimicry or Empathic power mimicry, if you will. [[User:Elemental5293|Elemental5293]] 21:52, 4 January 2008 (EST)
*** What Admin said. "Empathic" describes the kind of mimicry, not the object of the mimicry. He mimics superpowers because of his empathic connection to others. Neither "canon source" on its own constitutes a name for his ability; both together describe it and how it works very well. This is a case where we have canon sources which describe aspects of the power, but no single canon name -- it's similar to Maya's ability in that respect. With Maya, we have a canon reference to poison and a secondary reference to emission; together, they give us "poison emission", which describes the power better than either could individually. Same thing here.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:30, 4 January 2008 (EST)
*** Aw, it hurt my heart to see this under "Articles to be Renamed." I like Empathic Mimicry. D: But, if anything, I'd have to go with Ability Mimicry. --[[User:NellaBishop|NellaBishop]] 11:11, 5 January 2008 (EST)
**** I don't think it needs to change. "Ability mimicry" really doesn't cover both aspects of the power (the empathic connection and the mimicry); in that respect, it's like "mental manipulation" for the Haitian. We could call the Haitian's ability "ability suppression" or "memory modification", but neither is really complete enough to name the power. Mohinder's statement, while canon, is describing what Peter does, not how he does it. It's great that we're using it to form ''part'' of the name of Peter's power, because it describes ''part'' of his power. Claude's (canon) statement describes the other aspect of his power. There really is no conflict, and no good reason to change the name.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:25, 5 January 2008 (EST)
***** I don't have much of an opinion on this either way, but maybe some food for thought here: When Claude said "A nurse who's an empath, very cute.", maybe we interpreted it wrong? Maybe he was using it to describe his personality, not his abilities. Peter always shows compassion for those he loves and those he wants to protect, maybe Claude was referring to that? --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 15:32, 5 January 2008 (EST)
****** Claude's comment was probably a reference thrown in by the writers. Tim Kring has [http://www.wizarduniverse.com/television/heroes/002880960.cfm stated] that Peter's ability is "empathy": ''Peter and Sylar are two halves of a similar coin. Both are able to absorb people’s powers, but in two very different ways. Peter’s is based on his empathy and his ability to connect with people and when he’s around them. Sylar actually has to take your brain and do something with it.'' --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 15:41, 5 January 2008 (EST)
****** I think this may be already understood, but "is based on" is different from just saying "is", or else we would simply have "empathy" as the ability's name.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:02, 5 January 2008 (EST)
******* Right. And in most cases, a description describes the whole power (flight, freezing, ''et al.'') In others, we have to assemble a power name from descriptions--and occasionally from other sources (empathic mimicry, poison emission). And in the worst cases, there's no easy way to reconcile partial descriptions so we have to make something up (mental manipulation).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:16, 5 January 2008 (EST)
*Bottom line, I don't think there's any good reason to change the name of Peter's power right now. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:04, 5 January 2008 (EST)
* Agreed. No renaming is necessary. -- [[User:LightSpectra|LightSpectra]] 17:58, 6 January 2008 (EST)
* I think "Empathic Ability Mimicry" is a more complete name, but not really necessary. I'd get out-voted anyway. [[User:Darmenos|Darmenos]] 21:46, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

== While stuck inside Jesse Murphy's body ==

Can he still absorb powers? If so we should add Flint, The German, and other Level 5 escapee's to his exposed to list. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 08:50, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
* We don't know how Future Peter stuck him in Jesse's body, so we can't add them yet. My suspicion is that he won't absorb abilities or have access to his own, but we'll have to wait and see. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 09:12, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
**I know we can't add them yet, but I thought I should bring up the subject. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 09:16, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

== Intuitive aptitude? ==

What was up with Peter and intuitive aptitude in [[I Am Become Death]]? This time, he actually had to work to absorb the power... and he's been around Sylar countless times, so why hasn't he absorbed it before? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 23:31, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
* He probably absorbed it before, but never learned how to access it. Peter could potentially have hundreds of powers that he can't access cause he doesn't understand them. That's just my theory (there's no official explanation), but it works for me.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:36, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
* I came to the same assumption as MiamiVolts... that Sylar/Gabriel's ability is more difficult to access so Sylar had to coach him a little. To be honest, though, based on what I know about how the episodes are written the most likely explanation is simply that the writers just didn't want him to be able to use it without Sylar's help since the dialogue with Gabriel was important to the plot. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:39, 6 October 2008 (EDT))
* Intuitive aptitude has always been different from the other powers in that at first glance it doesn't appear to be anything special. Even Chandra himself had trouble classifying it as a special ability. Peter has been shown to unconsciously absorb abilities without knowing they existed (prcg dreaming, radioactivity). He subconsiously copied Nathan's flight, but he knew it existed. I can't think of a single instance where he has consciously absorbed someone else's power except for this one. He was already exposed to IA, but since it doesn't at first glance appear to be an ability, he may not have even noticed it. When he told Sylar he needed his power, Sylar just gave him the watch and told him to access the power, just like when Claude told him to fly and pushed him off the roof. I think it was more training to access the power than actually giving him the power. What I find more interesting than all this is that when FPeter told him to "get Sylar's power" he knew exactly which one he meant, even though FSylar had at least twelve by then. --[[User:Yamawhata?|Yamawhata?]] 18:40, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

== Empathy ==

"Empathy is the ability to "connect" with other people on a mental level. Empathic mimicry is an effect of this power that allows for the duplication of the superhuman abilities of other evolved humans."

This is bothering me. Are we saying that we're classifying a natural human emotion, empathy, as an evolved human ability? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 17:47, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
*No, I think it's just an analogy to help explain how the mimicry aspect works.

== Description change ==

I agree that we need to change the description. What it basically says is: Empathy is an ability and mimicry is a side effect.

That's completely wrong. Peter is an empath who can mimic abilities, but the empathy isn't the ability, it's what Peter uses to help recall abilities. Peter got this 'mimicry' power because he's empathic and his basic nature is 'connecting' with people, not because the ability is empathy.

Peter has said that he absorbs what those around him can do and then that he needed to remember them and the feeling he experienced to help recall these abilities.

I think a description like the following is better suited:

<i>Mimicry is the ability to absorb and mimic the superhuman abilities of other evolved humans. Empathy is the ability to "connect" with other people, experiencing the same thoughts, feeling or attitudes. Remembering these emotions allows the holder to recall previously absorbed abilities.</i>

--[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 17:48, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

* The problem is that Peter doesn't seem to need to do that anymore, being able to just call on his powers at will (and even if he doesn't remember or know where he got them from). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 17:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
**But he couldn't control them with no memory, it was more because of adrenaline... As soon as Peter got his memory back he was busting into Primatech, when a few hours before he couldn't control anything at will. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 18:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
*** Well, it would also be hard to reconcile that with using multiple powers at the same time, as he'd have to recall several memories at once. I think it was more of a way to get him to learn how to use his newly acquired powers, but I don't think he still needs to think about the person to use the ability (eg - he never met DL, and he can use Phasing consciously). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 02:16, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
**** Look people are confused, I've seen on different forums, "I hope Peter gets his empathy back"... He never lost it, he is the empath, his ability is mimicry/absorption. We need to make it clear that empathy is not a power. (Thanks Stevehim for editing the description). --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 01:41, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
*****Problem with that is, we've had this discussion before. The majority decided to call it "Empathic Mimicry" because, at the time, Peter had to think about how the person made him feel. I agreed from the beginning that his ability is "Power Mimicry", because in comic book sense, and Empath is a person who can read/sense, affect and control the emotions of others, and obviously, Peter doesn't do that. What i'm getting at is that I would back this article being renamed "Power Mimicry" because that's what it is now. Empathy is an emotion we all have (even Sylar now :-] ).--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 23:44, 17 November 2008 (EST)
****** Empathy has been described as how Peter absorbs abilities from many sources including Tim Kring, that's why "mimicry" was added to the end - to describe the absorbing part. I actually think we should change the description back to what it was about a month ago. Peter doesn't seem to need to think of others to use abilities, although he may. After Arthur's comment in (It's Coming) It seems Peter does use empathy to absorb, just in Peter's case, he's "always on", so he doesn't need to try and "connect" like Sylar needed to. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:19, 19 November 2008 (EST)
*******Perhaps then we need to establish a connection amongst the Petrellis. The overarching power is '''Mimicry'''. The method of access is different amongst them. Peter uses '''''Empathic'' Mimicry''', Gabriel uses '''''Intuitive'' Mimicry''' (also empathic now), and Arthur uses '''''Absorptive'' Mimicry'''. [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 12:09, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Empathic Ability Absorption and Sylar ==
* Now that Sylar has demonstrated the ability to absorb abilities through empathy, should this page be changed to reflect this ? --[[User:TheBressman|TheBressman]] 16:46, 18 November 2008 (EST)
** For Peter yes, I think it's proven now with what Arthur told Sylar, Tim Kring's and Claude's comments that Peter does absorb abilities through empathy. Just that Peter has an empathic personality and absorbs abilities automatically because he's unconsciously "connecting" to everyone. Syalr didn't exactly use this ability, he was still using his own but through empathy to understand how they work. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 19:58, 18 November 2008 (EST)
** Also, per this week's CBR ''Behind the Eclipse'':<br />
{{message|'''"In ''It's Coming'', was Sylar using his ability to ‘understand how things work’ through empathy? How is this different than Peter's ability?"'''

It’s not. Interesting. No?}}
I think that makes it pretty clear from that the writers are saying Sylar is using Peter's ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:58, 24 November 2008 (EST)
** He definitely used the ability the same way Peter does. Now whether this is because he absorbed Peter's power or that they have the same power is still kind of vague. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 05:40, 25 November 2008 (EST)
*No it was because [[Intuitive aptitude]] can be manifested in different forms, like the use of [[Precognition]] it has been used by [[Peter]] when awake during a power overload before he could controll it without harming him.--[[User:Halfbreed1426]]
*** [[Arthur]]: "By accessing your empathy, that part of your heart I know is there. You've had this power <b>all along</b>." --[[User:Juba|Juba]] 05:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)
*I still don't think it's the same ability. Perhaps the effects of what Sylar was doing in ''It's Coming'' are the exact same as empathic mimicry, I think he was still using ''intuitive aptitude'' in conjunction with ''empathy''. Additionally, the questioner asked if "Sylar was using his ability to 'understand how things work' through empathy". When the writers replied that it wasn't different from empathic mimicry, I understood it to be two different abilities with the exact same consequences and a somewhat similar process of working. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 07:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)
**So we agree, the above quote means that he wasn't using his intuitive aptitude with Elle, and that he actually did absorb her power via empathic mimicry. I petition we add Sylar to the list, and remove the second line, since it's fairly redundant (the exact same thing is worded differently in the first). Oh, and Sylar never absorbed Peter's power. And is it just me, or does Peter no longer automatically absorb abilities when he's near other heroes? [[User:Arnor|Arnor]] 08:00, 3 December 2008 (EST)
*** No, I disagree. The way I read [[Aron Coleite]] and [[Joe Pokaski]]'s comment is that both Sylar and Peter use empathy (which is a quality, or a characteristic of one's personality, not an ability) to absorb powers. That does not mean they have the same power, just that they used their respective powers in the same way. Sylar absorbed Elle's ability using [[intuitive aptitude]], and he did that by being empathetic towards her. That's how I see it. To answer your other question, Arnor, Peter has stopped absorbing abilities because his empathic mimicry was [[power absorption|stolen from him]] by his father. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 08:20, 3 December 2008 (EST)
**** I'm not so sure. At no point during that scene do we get the impression he gets her power by understanding '''''how she works''''', but rather '''''how she feels'''''. Which is a big difference. (I hate to bring this up again after it got so roundly squashed on the talk page for mimicry, but...) it's possible they both have access to mimicry through different means (empathy versus intuition), and Sylar just figured out how to do it through empathy. The means versus the ends. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 12:04, 3 December 2008 (EST)
*I concur with Richard. There was no ticking sound, which is always there when he figures out how something works. And what I meant was he stopped (at least consciously) randomly absorbing abilities '''before''' his father took his abilities. He's been around quite a few evolved humans, but hasn't exhibited any of their abilities. I say vote to decide if Sylar has access to EM and IA or it was just another facet of his IA, or a blend of IA and empathy. All I know is that it couldn't have been IA as we know it. He didn't look at her brain, and there was no ticking accompaying it. I'm not even sure it matters, since he seems to be hell-bent on splicing people's skulls open. Also, does anyone mind if I remove the second line of the Characters section? It's pretty clear from the first that Arthur took the ability from Peter. [[User:Arnor|Arnor]] 15:54, 9 December 2008 (EST)
** The way I see it, he just used his own IA in a different way: his ability is to understand how things work, but in that instance he understood things from another perspective, an emotional one, but it was still "understanding how things work", not empathic mimicry, which is mimicking an ability and by remembering how it felt access it. I see this as something analogous to Ted's EMP, his ability is [[induced radioactivity]], not [[magnetism]], but he was still able to release an electromagnetic pulse. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:45, 9 December 2008 (EST)
* Intuative Aptitude in no way should be able to give Sylar powers. Intuative Aptitude is simply the ability to understand how things work. Looking at it from this angle makes it very clear that Sylar has been using Empathic Mimicry all along, and that Intuative Aptitude is simply one of the powers he unknowingly picked up with it. [[User:Setlik0|Setlik0]] 3:14, 10 December 2008 (EST)
** Then the series has proved you wrong many times now. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:55, 10 December 2008 (EST)
*** Not really, all of the powers that Sylar would have gained through what we thought at first was Intuative Aptitude, are now explained as being gained through Empathic Mimicry.
** My theory (which I stole from someone - can't remember who, but I like it) as to what makes Sylar tick (pun intended) is that since TPTB said abilities come from a common gene, it's the person's personality/situtation that influences which power they get (or something along those lines). This being so, I reckon there is a specific set of neuron pathways which controls the activation of the power in their brain. Sylar, seeing how the ability works, can duplicate these pathways, similar to learning a new skill. This would also explain how abilities develop - new pathways are created (analogous to learning a new application for a skill). It should be possible for any other EH to develop a totally new ability if they could understand exactly how it works. (This could even explain the Haitian - think '''neurocognitive deficit''') --'''[[User:Yamawhata?|Yamawhata?]] 17:01, 10 December 2008 (EST)'''

== A proposition: See [[Talk:Mimicry]] ==

Due to recent events in the series, I have brought up a proposal (relating to this page) at [[Talk:Mimicry]], if folks could take a look at that. [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 16:18, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Does Peter absorb the skill level of each ability? ==

We see peter absorb each person's ability when he runs into them, but he seems to absorb each ability to the extent of who he absorbed it from. If your not following, think back...

-In season 1 when Matt could only hear thoughts of others, Peter absorbed it and could only mimic it in the same way.
In season 2 when Matt had learned to project thoughts, Peter ran into him again and suddenly gained this ability as well. (Leaving me to believe he can absorb more than just abilities but also the skill level of the person he absorbs it from)

-In season 1 Peter meets Hiro and he can somewhat alter time but can't teleport too well (as proven in season 2 when he cant go back to caitlin in the future.
But in season 2 Peter meets up with Hiro again, and by season 3 he can manipulate space-time and travel through time as well on his own.

-In season 1 future Peter had absorbed pyrokinesis through Meredith
In season 3 Peter had absorbed the same ability through flint, but he was able to make it "extra hot" without having to practice the ability like Flint had to.

-In season 1 Peter was able to show a fair amount of control when it came to telekinesis and didn't have to slowly learn how to move cups with his ability, he was just able to use it as well as Sylar did.

-In season 1 Peter was not just able to paint the future, but he also was able to paint as well as Isaac did (maybe it was because Tim Sale did both art), but maybe Peter just absorbed Isaac's ability to paint well as well.

With theses justifications and many more i didn't feel like listing, is it safe to say that peter doesn't just absorb the abilities but the talents of people as well?--[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 23:11, 9 December 2008 (EST)
:Sorry; it's a great theory, but that's all it is: a theory. We shouldn't list it as fact on the page unless it's confirmed. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 23:12, 9 December 2008 (EST)
:: It also wouldn't apply to a few situations, most notably his acquisition of [[induced radioactivity|Ted's ability]] (though I suppose one could posit that it was really the influx of too many powers too quickly that was the problem there). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 23:50, 9 December 2008 (EST)
::: I just saw it happen more times than not so i always assumed it and thought it was common knowledge till i realized that it wasn't posted on the site. I really wanna know what other people think though so if you have the slightest of ideas than feel free to post them.--[[User:Pbmarcano|Pbmarcano]] 21:26, 10 December 2008 (EST)

== Sylar's and Peter's power could be the same ==

First we know that sylar has peter's power from how he got elle's power, but he had to work to access it, just like peter did to get sylars power, so they are the same power just they started by using different ends of it, thoughts
Also why can't it be said that Sylar has an empathic ability when it is said that he has an empathic ability and just needs to access it?

== New Image ==
I was thinking, that instead of showing an example of Peter using one copied power, we could show him using multiple powers. At least for the other abilities that copy powers ([[Intuitive aptitude|"the hunger"]] and [[Power absorption]]) pictures of the actual power in use. With Peter's this is hard, since "empathic mimicry" is difficult to portray. I believe there are already images of Peter using multiple abilities at once. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]]
* Find some examples, and we'll see... --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 21:37, 17 December 2008 (EST)
** Any image of him in the [[Examples of simultaneous ability use]]? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 07:12, 18 December 2008 (EST)
***The only good one was the one with Future Peter [[Space-time manipulation|stopping time]] and [[Body insertion|removing Peter from Jesse's body]]. I don't know how to make my own screencaps but I am sure there are more scenes where this occurs. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]]
***Another couple of decent ones are [[:Image:Powers_Peter_reads_POTUS%27s_mind.jpg|the one where Peter uses telekinesis and mindreading]] (off screen) and [[:Image:Powers_peter_tk_broom.jpg|when Peter is invisible and uses TK]]. I already put in a request for more images of multiple power usages by Peter. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]]
****Anyone remember when Peter kind of went haywire back in season one and he used a lot of his abilities uncontrollably? If there was ever a good shot of him, like, using precognition and being invisible at the same time, we could probably use that. Or maybe when Ted Sprague and Peter first meet... maybe a screencap of both of them in the shot at the same time, and Peter using his newly-absorbed radiation powers. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 09:05, 22 December 2008 (EST)
* I had a look through the images of Peter... I like this one [[Media:PeterControlsRadioactivity.jpg]] as he looks like his absorbing or trying to control his new power. [[Media:Come_on.jpg]] this one is good, but again only one power. In this one [[Media:Powers_Peter_reads_POTUS%27s_mind.jpg]] he's using Telepathy and Telekinesis even though it's hard to tell. Or I was thinking maybe a picture where Peter jumps of the building roof in the first episode would be better, as that was the first time he tried to use an ability. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 21:29, 22 December 2008 (EST)
** I like the radiation one. As for those other two, I don't think they're any good because they don't really show anything at all... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 18:25, 23 December 2008 (EST)
While the radiation image is better than the current image, I still think that a show of Peter using multiple abilities would be better. There MUST be a good shot of that somewhere.--[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]]
:Simultaneous ability use doesn't necessarily represent empathic mimicry though - I was thinking a shot of Peter and somebody else, both using the same ability? Say, a screenshot with both Elle and Peter using lightning at the same time? --[[User:Ciwey|Ciwey]] 08:52, 29 December 2008 (EST)
::That's a good idea. But when were they ever using lightning together? The only example I can think of is in ''[[Four Months Ago...]]'' with the sadistic stuff and all, but even then I think it was only Elle that was using her power. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 09:13, 29 December 2008 (EST)
: I'm working on a couple of things right now, trying to combine pictures to illustrate the ability. I'm having problems getting the combined picture coming out the right dimensions without looking rather stretched at the moment, but if I can figure it out, I'll post them as a suggestion for the pic change. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 12:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)

At the moment the current picture looks too much like Precognition, how about a temporary change to this [[Media:PeterControlsRadioactivity.jpg]] picture while we find or create a better one? --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 23:24, 11 January 2009 (EST)<Br />
[[:Image:Powers peter flight.jpg|I think I've found the perfect image for this ability.]] <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 21:56, 20 January 2009 (EST)
: It's definitely better than what we are using and it shows Peter mimicking an ability with the person there which describes the ability. I think we should change it. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 23:16, 20 January 2009 (EST)
:: Coolio, anyone else? <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 15:47, 25 January 2009 (EST)
:::I like the image and I would not mind the change. However, does [[:Image:Powers peter flight.jpg|the image in question]] apear a little static-y to anyone else? {{User:Psilaq Remake/sig}}
::::I agree. If the image quality could be bumped up, I think it will well-fit the article. I still favor the multiple ability use images still, though. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 20:59, 5 February 2009 (EST)
:::::Could you read this discussion and reply Arkillon? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:52, 12 February 2009 (EST)

== Peter in Dual ==

It is speculative to say that he regained this power, as all he has demonstrated so far is flight. Any comment about the possibility of him regaining empathic mimicry belongs in the Notes section only. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 22:28, 17 December 2008 (EST)
*Arthur told Peter that the formula was ready and he could use it to get his powers back. We know empathic mimicry allows the possibility for flight, and it is much more likely that Peter simply gained his old power back, I don't belive it's speculative to say he got EM back, and flight was just him using nathan's power. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 14:34, 18 December 2008 (EST)
** Unfortunately, we don't know for sure (yet), and the show seems to imply heavily that the ability you get is strongly affected by your situation and personality. If all Peter wanted was to save his brother, perhaps he only got flight. We won't know for sure til February. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 14:41, 18 December 2008 (EST)
*** Well ones power is determined by their own genetics and blood chemistry, whether the power is synthetic or not, meaning that like [[Mohinder]], [[Peter]]'s powers would have been restored their original state, so he would have to regain at least some of them as he probably did from [[Nathan]] and [[Flint]]. --[[User:Halfbreed1426|Halfbreed1426]] 13:31, 24 December 2008
**** I think most everyone agrees with you, and that is what everyone is expecting to happen. When Peter manifests another ability besides [[flight]], it will be confirmed, and not speculative; and be quickly reconstituted. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 12/24/2008 09:37 (EST)</small>

It is so heart-breaking to read this conversation, full of hope of Peter regaining his full power, and to know that it didn't happen. --[[User:Balkce|Balkce]] 06:20, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

== Peter should have empathic mimicry back ==

Why doesn't it say this, all it says is flight when we know that the formula that was created was not enginered and so would only give the user his natural ability.--[[User:Omni314|Omni314]] ([[User talk:Omni314|Omni314]]) 07:58, 22 December 2008 (EST)
*Because while it's highly likely, saying he did may or may not be speculative, saying he got flight isn't. Please read the numerous topics about this matter above. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 08:01, 22 December 2008 (EST)

==If the power Peter has in ACAPD...==
... is still considered Empathic Mimicry (can't see why it shouldn't be...), then does no - one else think that the "sparks" Peter "made" when he touched Tracy can finally be used as a picture for it?--[[User:IotV|IotV]] 15:50, 3 February 2009 (EST)
*I wouldn't consider the power that Peter has now as empathetic mimicry. It's more like [[Ability_replication|ability replication]], or power borrowing.

== Shouldn't this page ==

Mention the future Peters? They both had new abilities to current day [[Peter]] and we have previously listed future characters as holding abilities on the same page as their present counter-parts.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 08:00, 4 February 2009 (EST)
*There's a very well written explanation for this somewhere, but I don't know where it is, so I'll do my best. When present Peter acquires an ability, it is assumed all future versions of him will have the ability (this includes his main ability). When any Future Peter acquires an ability, they are noted as having that ability, present Peter isn't. If present Peter gets an ability one of his future selves has, it is still listed cause he got the same power on a different occasion. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:33, 4 February 2009 (EST)

== Peter doesn't possess this anymore ==
In Trust and Blood it's pretty much indicated he has a different power: He doesn't know why but he can only hold one at a time, this was specifically said to Tracy and considering he needs to touch people it's quite likely different. -- Signyour Poste
:Yeah, we already had that pretty much figured out last week... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:00, 10 February 2009 (EST)

== Change Picture ==

Wouldn't it be better if the picture was of Peter using an ability with the person he absorbed it from using the same ability at the same time? [[User:Sac983|Sac983]] 02:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
*It would, problem is, there is no such image, at least we don't have it, nor we can find a moment where such thing happened. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:55, 11 February 2009 (EST)
*Yeah. Be my guest to change it to that one if you can find an instance in the show like that... but I really don't recall Peter and another posthuman ever using their ability simultaneously. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 09:56, 11 February 2009 (EST)
**Peter, in [[Exposed]], used Matt's telepathic ability at the same time as Matt to infiltrate Building 26. I'm not sure if that will make a good picture, though, as telepathic abilities are not that photogenic. --[[User:Balkce|Balkce]] 06:13, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
What about the picture of Future Hiro and Peter on the train, with time frozen? -- Signyour Poste

== Question ==

How did this power technically work? I keep seeing it works by emotions only at the source of the power or just by thinking about the original source of the ability. I just want to make sure how it worked. --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 18:13, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

I thought that it would work only when someone who was empathic and could love unconditionally that they could mimic abilities [[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 18:21, 11 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop
*Yeah, I always understood that it was similar to intuitive aptitude except that while IA allows you to understand how a power works and duplicate it, EM would let you mimic the emotional state that activates the power (remember that often times each person's ability reflects their personality). Does that make sense? --{{User:Yamawhata?/signature}} 18:43, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
**Yeah that sounds right. I've always seen it as, unlike Sylar using empathy, Peter automatically absorbs the abilities of those in his proximity, and recalls the abilities through "empathy". It doesn't make much sense (or would be hard to do) when he uses multiple abilities at the same time... --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 04:20, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
***It does sound as though an empath may suffer from a psychological breakdown down the road, having to recall so many feelings that are not his/her own at a given time. Identifying which feeling is external and which one is personal may create an identification crisis. I'm now wondering if future Peter, beside of the guilt he carried from blowing up in Kirby Plaza, may have been suffering from this as well. --[[User:Balkce|Balkce]] 06:00, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
== Empathy vs Sympathy ==
I think some distinctions need to be made. I thought of a couple of places to put my thoughts down, and so this will be copied elsewhere. I am going to discuss Sylars use of what you all are referring to as "empathy" to absorb/copy powers.
First of all, his primary innate ability is intuitive aptitude. And we all know he studied the brain to learn how the power worked and has such a deep understand is able to replicate it. But his intuitive aptitude goes beyond understand powers, he understands how a watch works etc. But he has learned to understand the emotional side of powers, and has a deep understanding of the emotional impact and is able to replicate powers.
Now I would like to throw out a few definitions, I looked up a lot of definitions of both empathy and sympathy. I will just quote something from dicitonary.com. "Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person". So Empathy is more of an effort, you have to put yourself into someone else’s shoes, and (key word here people) '''UNDERSTANDING''' a persons feelings, remember Sylar's base ability intuitive aptitude?
While on the other hand, as passionate as Peter is (was) his power takes no conscious effort, and is therefore sympathy. Sympathy is just something that happens, while the empathy is a conscious effort of thinking and understanding. So I think Empathic mimicry is not a power really, just an aspect of the aspcetof Intuitive Aptitude that allows for power copying, as it deals with understanding. While Peter's ability should have been called Sympathetic Mimicry. And while I am at it, I just want to say I think Peter's power is ability copying, yet how the copying happens is dependent on his personality.
-[[User:da_carnivore|da_carnivore]]
*I always believed that Peter's ability, not how he uses it, but his actual ability is "Power mimicry". It explains how his DNA works, which Mohinder said is like a mosaic. It also explains how he automatically absorbs and sometimes mimics abilities. Now, I do think that Peter found it easy for him to use empathy, "putting himself in others shoes" to use abilities. But he really is just a mimic. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:27, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
**Yeah so do I. Just how he abosrbs the ability is different. What I wanted to say is that "empathic mimicry" has been misnamed, it isnt really a power at all it is more a new found aspect of Sylars IA, as empathy requires understanding of a persons feelings etc.

==CBR confirms Sylar used Empathic mimicry with Elle and James Martin==
...we should add him to this page, with those two examples. Also confirms it wasn't the TK-nosepull like the deleted scene. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 12:54 (EST)</small>
*It confirms nothing of the sort. It only says that Sylar used empathy to get James Martin's ability as he did to get Elle's ability, but it doesn't say anything about Peter's old ability. {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 13:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Why would you say that? Sylar acquired both Elle's ability and James Martin's ability '''the same way that Peter used to do. They empathized with the ability controller, and mimicked the ability into their quiver of abilities'''. Aaron flat-out said it wasn't the TK-nose trick from the deleted scene, and Sylar didn't open up his skull and use [[Intuitive aptitude]] to gain the ability. Here is what the CBR article stated:
<br><br>''"Ninail has a couple of questions about Sylar: How did Sylar manage to remove the shapeshifter's brain for study without cutting the skull? Through mouth and nose, like with the impenetrable skin guy from the season 2 abandoned scenes? From his evil grin '''I assume he hadn't gained shapeshifting through empathy'''"'''...Aaron and Joe reply: '''"'''Empathy''' is not necessarily exclusive from evil – '''it’s more about understanding'''. And '''understanding James Martin was what Sylar’s journey was all about this particular episode'''. "''
<br><br>
Aaron and Joe both correct her premise that it was Nose-TK and wasn't Empathy, but rather confirm that it was Empathy. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 14:06 (EST)</small>
** All they say is that it is an understanding that helped him. Not necessarily empathy. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 14:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
How is this different from what we already knew? - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 14:28, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
*** Actually he said quote: '' '''Empathy'''...it's more about understanding.....understanding James Martin was what Sylar's journey was all about this particular episode".'' The subject of the explanation was '''Empathy''' as to how Sylar acquired [[James Martin]]'s ability, without making a mark on him. The part where he said Empathy was not exclusive from evil was saying that just because Sylar was evil, didn't mean he couldn't emphathize...rather he did empathize to mimic James Martin's ability in this episode. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 15:04 (EST)</small>
**** Ok, for the sake of argument say he did use empathy, it still doesn't change anything, it is simply ability development and does not need to be added to empathic mimicry but rather simply said on sylar's ability. In my opinion anyway. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 15:26, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
** Would it be a far stretch to say that Sylar used his [[Intuitive aptitude]] ability to figure out how things work, to figure out how [[Empathic mimicry]] worked, and to add it to his quiver just like he has added other abilities? It's just different in that now that he has [[Empathic mimicry]] in his quiver, he can use it directly also, to gain other abilities ([[Electric manipulation]] and [[Shapeshifting]]) instead of his normal practice of using [[Telekinesis]] and [[Intuitive aptitude]] to learn new abilities? That's how I see it. EM is one of many abilities Sylar has used IA to acquire, but EM's own innate feature allows him to use it (EM) to also gain additional abilities without relying on IA at all, if he so chooses. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 15:36 (EST)</small>
*** My opinion? Empathy = understand how others feel, therefore empathy = an application of IA that has similar effects to EM, even though EM =/= IA. EM just passively and automatically mimics an ability, requiring the user to think about how they felt about the person they got the ability from in order to access it, IA has an active application which allows the user to understand how a subject feels, acquiring their abilities in a way similar to, yet different from EM. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:54, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
* Why would it matter whether Sylar used a special application of IA or just regular EM if the results were the same? What is the point and meaning in differentiating the two? I see no reason not to list EM as an acquired ability for Sylar other than the fact that it hasn't been explicitly stated on screen. IIRC 'empathic mimicry' itself was never named on screen. It seems like people who don't want to recognize Sylar having EM seem to have this mental imprint that Sylar can only acquire new abilities with IA, and any displays of empathy must be attributed to IA because that's how they 'visualize' the character of Syler. IA = Sylar = Bad guy and EM = for the 'good guys.' It's a bit irrational IMO but the facts are Sylar is acquiring abilities without examining a brain directly, and using empathy. If that isn't EM than I don't know what is. Coming up with theories on why what he's doing is just IA is pure speculation. We have a definition of EM, we have seen specific examples of Sylar fulfilling the criteria of EM. My two cents {{User:Barbedknives/sig}}08:33, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
**people don't want to list sylar as having EM, because he does NOT have it. We know using empathy to gain an ability is an application of IA that is similar to EM. It's in the same way you can use telepathy to persuade people. It's an example of ability homology, not him having the same ability.

== How did we miss this? ==

''“Since Sylar understands and seems to empathize with Luke, does that mean he would've acquired, or can acquire, his microwave powers through '''empathic mimicry'''?”''


Could Peter replicate his old ability by touching his past self?(50000JH 18:20, 12 January 2010 (EST))
'''''Yes it does.''''' http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20086 - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 01:01, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
*Dont think so, it has been stated that Peter could't absorb abilities from his future self from when he had his old ability. I think the same would be for this ability.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 18:21, 12 January 2010 (EST)
**What was said is that he couldn't absorb Future Peter's acquired abilities, as he was only exposed to his base power, empathic mimicry. Peter could indeed replicate past Peter's empathic mimicry, just like he can replicate anyone's base power. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 18:47, 12 January 2010 (EST)
***We dont know if it was the ability that didn't made him absorb it or the person, what if he is just is unable to absorb abilities from himself.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 17:22, 13 January 2010 (EST)
I knew he could not mimic his future self, as he did not mimic body insertion.[50000JH 17:19, 13 January 2010 (EST)]


==Does he really absorb abilities empathically?==
*See my numerous posts at [[Theory talk:Sylar]] on why Sylar's ability can't be empathic mimicry, also no need to have the same discussion in two pages, if you want, reply at the link, be sure to read everything before doing so. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:48, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
**That discussion is about a theory; I'm just feeding this information into the discussion of whether or not Sylar's empathic mimicry can be accepted as fact. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 18:00, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
What empathic mimicry? Sylar has [[intuitive aptitude]], not empathic mimicry.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:04, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
*Sylar can absorb abilities through empathy (see [[It's Coming]]). Odds are, intuitive aptitude was gained this way. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 19:12, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
**I direct people's attention to [[Theory talk:Sylar#Abilities and Assumptions|this]]. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:54, 7 June 2009 (EDT)


I'm just wondering about this: does Peter, when he still had EM, absorb abilities EMPATHICALLY? By empathy, I understand that it's about feeling what others feel, know their emotions and other whatnots. Peter has met some evolved humans and absorbed their abilites yet he doesn't know much about them, let alone emapthically relate to them to absorb their abilities. Like Phasing from D.L(whom he only met once at Kirby Plaza), Induced Radioactivity(he manifested Ted's ability as soon as he saw him) and Precognition(he manifested Precognition after barely treating(from heroin) and barely knowing Isaac. I really doubt he absorbed abilities "empathically". Thoughts? --[[User: Realistic|Realistic]]
== number of abilities that available ==
* I know what you mean and personally I think the way Peter absorbed abilities sometimes was bad writing. However, we were given the name "empathic mimicry" for his original power, so we should stick to it.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 08:44, 25 January 2010 (EST)
** Ability Mimicry would have been much better from the beginning but like Referos said, we have been given that name so well we have to stick with it for now -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 09:17, 25 January 2010 (EST)
***Perhaps it was less of an empathic link with "people", and more of a link with his ''own'' feelings, feeling trapped kicked in the phasing... and just like with Tracy and her freezing, they kick in depending on different situations. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 12:11, 25 January 2010 (EST)
*I think it's been said before but the act of empathising with someone or something is a a) a conscious choice and b) an active process. Peter's ability violates both of these rules as he absorbed some powers (e.g. Telepathy) without being aware the ability existed so that's a) gone, and some powers (e.g. Phasing) with no effort whatsoever so that's b) gone. If anything, what Sylar does is empathy. Peter's ability is simply misnamed- should just be Power mimicry or Passive mimicry.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 12:09, 27 January 2010 (EST)
*I got a question: Can't this ability be renamed to anything related to "Power/Ability Mimicry"? I think most would agree that he does not absorb abilities empathically(at least, on most cases). By "empathically", I mean by the traditional sense of the word, which is to relate to others and reciprocate feelings and emotions.--[[User:Realistic|Realistic]]
** No, we can't rename this. "Empathic mimicry" was given to us explicitly.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 10:30, 31 January 2010 (EST)
***Yup. Another case of the "canon" rule preventing a change even though we all know the name isn't acurate. Thing is, writers can make mistakes too (I study it so I should know), as can any member of the crew who release information. What we should do is always follow the canon, unless we can distinguish that the writers/crew themselves have made a mistake- which is pretty much the basis for one side of the naming conventions debate- a debate which will never conclude, so we'll just have to accept the name in it's incorrect form.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 18:04, 31 January 2010 (EST)
****Peter said he had to remember how he felt when he met Claire, in order to use RCR when Claude pushed him over the edge. Meaning empathetically. I too thought we should have called it Ability mimicry, but I see it should remain as empathic mimicry.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 18:26, 31 January 2010 (EST)
***** It's not our place to decide when the writers make mistakes, Maldini. Feel free to send them an email or something questioning it, but unless we have some other source against it, it's our job to archive what we've been given.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
****** History of the name: we originally called the ability "power mimicry". After Claude used the word "empath" to describe Peter and his power, we moved the page to "empathy". Much discussion later, we combined the two terms and called it "empathic mimicry" on January 31, 2007. At that point, the name was considered a descriptive name--it was based on something said in a canon source, but there was no canon source for the name. It wasn't until August 5, 2008, I believe, that the [[assignment tracker map]] explicitly named Peter's ability. I assume that the writers used Heroes Wiki's name for the power, but I can't be positive. Either way, it's the name that was explicitly given to us, and which we will use. Frankly, I think it's a great name. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:03, 1 February 2010 (EST)
*Remembering how someone made you feel isn't empathy, that's just memory. And it's been proven he could use his powers without "remembering how the doner made him feel" in season 2, when he couldn't even remember who he was, let alone who all his donors were. Plus, it's since been proven that RCR is a passive ability- and doesn't need conscious thought or imperitive, meaning that, in narrative Peter was mistaken due to a coincidence of thought and the passive RCR, and out of narrative, that angle of his power has since been changed or evolved. Empathy is pro-active, simple as. It's not a question of whether it's an acurate name cos it's not, actually, it's not a question at all. And Ryan, I actually like the name too, despite what I'm saying, but I don't have to dislike it to admit it's flawed.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 11:35, 1 February 2010 (EST)
** Well is the discussion about a perceived flaw in the name, or about renaming the ability? There are a few comments above about renaming the ability. Despite whatever flaws one may see in the name (I don't see any glaring flaws), there won't be any changes to the name since it was given to us explicitly. However, if the discussion is about the flaws people see, then I'll step out of the way and let y'all discuss it. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)


== The nature of Empathic mimicry... ==
Is it possibilty that this number of abilities that can store and use, we knew that he had loads of abilities, Sylar had letters when Peter had this abilities but Arthur might have more or less depending on how much Peter use an ability that Arthur has absorbed. If you at the list what Peter abilities could have but not use like Clairvoyance then Arthur won't have have it and use IA or telepath to find Hiro, IA anaylsing know what Hiro would do or read mind from past, also having IA and telepath that he can develop telepath quickly and make it into clairvoyance. 50000JH


A discussion carried on over from Arthur's page, what exactly is the nature of EM? Over on Arthur's page, it's being said that EM, perhaps due to Suresh's 'sponge' comment, is the only ability Peter ever had- and all the other abilities that Peter mimicked simply changed the nature of his one ability. Technically if this is correct, it would mean that Peter never actually had access to such powers like Telepathy and RCR in the same way that Matt and Claire did, and that every time he used a copied power, the only power he was ever actually using was EM, every time for every borowed power. Now I'm not saying this is correct, but it does raise the question in the light of Arthur's absorbtion- did he absorb 15 abilities from Peter, or just 1, meaning that he, alike Peter, when using these copied powers, was tapping into EM every time. What do people think?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 08:52, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
== Sylar has this power... ==
*Mohinder said that Peter's DNA was like a chameleon, changing itself to make room for new abilities. I believe that Peter's original ability allowed him to integrate new abilities to his system, but was still necessary to access it. For example, Peter had empathic mimicry and mimicked telekinesis. From that point on, he had the DNA needed for both abilities, but in order to access telekinesis, he needed empathic mimicry. Think of as expression of a genetic condition. You can have a gene for a determined characteristic, but if the gene isn't expressed, the characteristic doesn't appear. After integrating an ability, EM would function as an on\off switch. When Arthur took it from Peter, he copied all of the abilities stored in the DNA, and used his own ability as an off switch on Peter's EM, meaning Peter could no longer use it as the on switch to his acquired abilities. I think that's what happened based on Matt Jr. using his ability as the on switch on Hiro's ability. I don't know how it would work on Peter, since he took the formula, and that may have done something to the stored abilities, or perhaps changed the lock for an ability key, so to speak. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
**I think the difference is in the exact usage of EM. I used to think that Peter used his base ability only when making the initial mimic, and after that used the abilities he copied in the same way the original holder would, only Peter had several of course. But if what mc said is true, then Peter doesn't actually have access to Telekinesis at all- only EM, which has re-synched as Suresh was eluding to, to be able to use Telekinetic effects. This could possibly explain why Peter's copied version of an ability is at first and for some time there after less acurate or potent than the original. In this case, Arthur would've absorbed only Peter's loaded EM, as mc suggested, not each ability as an individual, which changes the outlook on things considerably.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 12:14, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
***The reason I said about the fact Peter only has one, is that firstly, his ability is empathic ''mimicry'', ie he mimics the ability, not has, and secondly the writers have said and it has been said on here multiple times, people can only have ''one'' ability. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
****In that sense, it would be one jack-of-all-trades ability which can emulate the effects of other abilities, while not necessarily integrating them into the user. It's just a copy. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:50, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
*****And if that is the case, then we should list it on Arthur's page, but remove all the others singularily.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 16:44, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
******This seems to be confirmed since HRG said Sylar was the only one with multiple powers, but Claude recognized that Peter was "one of those -- an empath".--''<small>[[User:Boycool42|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 10:36, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
*******I find this discussion very interesting. It kinda bothered when Arthur stole Peter's ability and he acquired all the ones Peter's mimiced, but after reading this and re-watching the chapter in the first volume where Suresh talks about '''EM''' it makes more sense. It also makes for the mixing of abilities to be more plausible it Peter's case; for example '''body insertion''' could be a mixture of '''telepathy, phasing'''... like that discussion indicates, though I am not implying it actually is. --[[User:Inblackestnight|Inblackestnight]] 15:54, 4 June 2010


I've always thought of Empathic Mimicry as a Lock on a Door. Peters Empathic Mimicry is the Key and then there's a Door with a Lock blocking the power. He has to use EM to use what's inside the door. [[User:Alessia1111|Alessia1111]] 13:28, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
...as well being natural, How Sylar copied Elles power Empathic, IA and then mimicry. Peter having IA is natual


I dont think Peter absorbs abilities. Heres how i see it.
I know people are going to say a character has one ability. 50000JH
Peter is near another evolved human. His ability resequences Peter's DNA to match theirs, granting Peter access to their abiities. He doesnt absorb, he mimics. And when he is not in their presence he uses empathy to recreate that DNA resequencing that grants him access to someone's powers. I remember reading somewhere on the Peter page that when he meets his future self he is only exposed to Empathic Mimicry, meaning peter doesnt actually HAVE the mimicked powers, unlike Sylar, but has to reproduce the resequencing to use them. The reason this ability is so powerful is because Empathic mimicry allows Peter's body to remember all previously mimicked abilities, and all he has to do is recall them. [[User:peterpetrelli15]] 17:38, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
* That's an interesting theory. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:43, 24 October 2011 (EDT)


Another point i was always curious about. Peter's scar. Which leads to Claire's regenerative powers. Ok, so Peter mimics regeneration and heals in Homecoming. He then recalls the ability in distractions. my question is, since rapid cell regeneration is a passive power does Peter have it constantly active once he recalls it? I mean Sylar's ability of Intuitive Aptitude is generally considered passive and Peter seemed to have it constantly active as he was pressed by the hunger, or he seemed under its influence. It has been established that without the ability Sylar isn't affected by the hunger and he only had the hunger in the second season because he still had his ability, he just couldn't access it. Where as when he didnt have the power thanks to the eclipse he didnt have the hunger. So was Peter constantly accessing an ability that long, as IA helps him understand and control powers better. Or was he screwed because it was now constantly active and he couldn't turn it off? I wish they were more clearer on this. Thoughts? [[User:peterpetrelli15]] 19:40, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
When Sylar talks to Ellie he is connecting with her empathicly and then can mimicry her ability.
On sympathic and empathic section here it is saying that Peter does not talk like Sylar did or learn about the person, but being a nurse he dealing with people was his job so being empathic would comes second nature to Peter but not to Sylar and Peter has IA that I reckon he can anaylse human behaviour if possible because of being a nurse but he doing it subconscious and is unaware that is doing it but can't access IA. 50000JH


== Rene ==
When Peter was in the cell he manage to phrase
without meeting DL, he can't empathicly think
about DL because he hasn't met him nor can he empathicly
think about Nicki or he gets super strength.50000JH


Did Rene help to develop Peter's ability or could he find another way to develop it? In ability development it said,After Rene erases his mind that he recall his abilities without remember the person who he aquired it off.--50000JH 10:55, 26 April 2010 (EDT)
Sylar said to Noah that he can anaylse
*In a sense, yes, he was the pebble that started the rockslide, though one could argue that had Thompson not recruited him, he wouldn't be there etc. etc. which is a large debate in itself (much like the chicken and the egg). I think the memory erasure only helped him to develop it faster, not the direct cause of it. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 11:04, 26 April 2010 (EDT)
human behaviour. I'm wondering can you,
would it be possible in the real world
to anaylse a thief's mind see how he thinks
by scanning it, I know people will say there
is no logic but if there is, is he using IA
because people personality aren't system and
IA is to anaylse system. When he cuts open
people head we know that he is looking for
the ability source but is he anaylsing the
personality and the person.50000JH


== Doesn't Sylar have this power too? ==
Sylar wouldn't have lost abilities he got via brain examination to the Shanti virus if that was the case. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:33, 3 September 2009 (EDT)


Isn't it obvious that Sylar has this power too? He was able to use this power to absorb electricity from Elle. He was born with the same power as Peter, then he absorbed his father's intuitive aptitude. His original power wasn't telekinesis, and it wasn't intuitive aptitude, it was empathic mimicry. It's beautiful really, how he was an innocent kid with the same power as the good guy, and then his father corrupted him. 03:15, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
To me what Sylar does was get on empathic level, use his IA to anaylse the person then mimic but with Peter he doing it straight away but not knowing he is doing it. I'm sorry if I repeated myself. 50000JH
* No. Sylar has a similar ability, but not the same ability. [[Talk:Empathic_mimicry/Archive_3#CBR_confirms_Sylar_used_Empathic_mimicry_with_Elle_and_James_Martin|See here]] for a previous discussion on the matter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine empathic mimicry's name.
Source/Explanation
"Empathic Mimcry"[sic] is explicitly named in Peter's tip in the Assignment Tracker Map.
Archives Archived Topics
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Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]]

Mar 2007-Dec 2008 [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]]

Dec 2008-Jan 2010 [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

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Past Self

Could Peter replicate his old ability by touching his past self?(50000JH 18:20, 12 January 2010 (EST))

  • Dont think so, it has been stated that Peter could't absorb abilities from his future self from when he had his old ability. I think the same would be for this ability.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 18:21, 12 January 2010 (EST)
    • What was said is that he couldn't absorb Future Peter's acquired abilities, as he was only exposed to his base power, empathic mimicry. Peter could indeed replicate past Peter's empathic mimicry, just like he can replicate anyone's base power. - Josh (talk/contribs) 18:47, 12 January 2010 (EST)
      • We dont know if it was the ability that didn't made him absorb it or the person, what if he is just is unable to absorb abilities from himself.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:22, 13 January 2010 (EST)

I knew he could not mimic his future self, as he did not mimic body insertion.[50000JH 17:19, 13 January 2010 (EST)]

Does he really absorb abilities empathically?

I'm just wondering about this: does Peter, when he still had EM, absorb abilities EMPATHICALLY? By empathy, I understand that it's about feeling what others feel, know their emotions and other whatnots. Peter has met some evolved humans and absorbed their abilites yet he doesn't know much about them, let alone emapthically relate to them to absorb their abilities. Like Phasing from D.L(whom he only met once at Kirby Plaza), Induced Radioactivity(he manifested Ted's ability as soon as he saw him) and Precognition(he manifested Precognition after barely treating(from heroin) and barely knowing Isaac. I really doubt he absorbed abilities "empathically". Thoughts? --Realistic

  • I know what you mean and personally I think the way Peter absorbed abilities sometimes was bad writing. However, we were given the name "empathic mimicry" for his original power, so we should stick to it.--Referos 08:44, 25 January 2010 (EST)
    • Ability Mimicry would have been much better from the beginning but like Referos said, we have been given that name so well we have to stick with it for now -- (WaterRatj) 09:17, 25 January 2010 (EST)
      • Perhaps it was less of an empathic link with "people", and more of a link with his own feelings, feeling trapped kicked in the phasing... and just like with Tracy and her freezing, they kick in depending on different situations. --mc_hammark 12:11, 25 January 2010 (EST)
  • I think it's been said before but the act of empathising with someone or something is a a) a conscious choice and b) an active process. Peter's ability violates both of these rules as he absorbed some powers (e.g. Telepathy) without being aware the ability existed so that's a) gone, and some powers (e.g. Phasing) with no effort whatsoever so that's b) gone. If anything, what Sylar does is empathy. Peter's ability is simply misnamed- should just be Power mimicry or Passive mimicry.--Evil Maldini 12:09, 27 January 2010 (EST)
  • I got a question: Can't this ability be renamed to anything related to "Power/Ability Mimicry"? I think most would agree that he does not absorb abilities empathically(at least, on most cases). By "empathically", I mean by the traditional sense of the word, which is to relate to others and reciprocate feelings and emotions.--Realistic
    • No, we can't rename this. "Empathic mimicry" was given to us explicitly.--Referos 10:30, 31 January 2010 (EST)
      • Yup. Another case of the "canon" rule preventing a change even though we all know the name isn't acurate. Thing is, writers can make mistakes too (I study it so I should know), as can any member of the crew who release information. What we should do is always follow the canon, unless we can distinguish that the writers/crew themselves have made a mistake- which is pretty much the basis for one side of the naming conventions debate- a debate which will never conclude, so we'll just have to accept the name in it's incorrect form.--Evil Maldini 18:04, 31 January 2010 (EST)
        • Peter said he had to remember how he felt when he met Claire, in order to use RCR when Claude pushed him over the edge. Meaning empathetically. I too thought we should have called it Ability mimicry, but I see it should remain as empathic mimicry.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:26, 31 January 2010 (EST)
          • It's not our place to decide when the writers make mistakes, Maldini. Feel free to send them an email or something questioning it, but unless we have some other source against it, it's our job to archive what we've been given.--Riddler 20:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
            • History of the name: we originally called the ability "power mimicry". After Claude used the word "empath" to describe Peter and his power, we moved the page to "empathy". Much discussion later, we combined the two terms and called it "empathic mimicry" on January 31, 2007. At that point, the name was considered a descriptive name--it was based on something said in a canon source, but there was no canon source for the name. It wasn't until August 5, 2008, I believe, that the assignment tracker map explicitly named Peter's ability. I assume that the writers used Heroes Wiki's name for the power, but I can't be positive. Either way, it's the name that was explicitly given to us, and which we will use. Frankly, I think it's a great name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 1 February 2010 (EST)
  • Remembering how someone made you feel isn't empathy, that's just memory. And it's been proven he could use his powers without "remembering how the doner made him feel" in season 2, when he couldn't even remember who he was, let alone who all his donors were. Plus, it's since been proven that RCR is a passive ability- and doesn't need conscious thought or imperitive, meaning that, in narrative Peter was mistaken due to a coincidence of thought and the passive RCR, and out of narrative, that angle of his power has since been changed or evolved. Empathy is pro-active, simple as. It's not a question of whether it's an acurate name cos it's not, actually, it's not a question at all. And Ryan, I actually like the name too, despite what I'm saying, but I don't have to dislike it to admit it's flawed.--Evil Maldini 11:35, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • Well is the discussion about a perceived flaw in the name, or about renaming the ability? There are a few comments above about renaming the ability. Despite whatever flaws one may see in the name (I don't see any glaring flaws), there won't be any changes to the name since it was given to us explicitly. However, if the discussion is about the flaws people see, then I'll step out of the way and let y'all discuss it. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The nature of Empathic mimicry...

A discussion carried on over from Arthur's page, what exactly is the nature of EM? Over on Arthur's page, it's being said that EM, perhaps due to Suresh's 'sponge' comment, is the only ability Peter ever had- and all the other abilities that Peter mimicked simply changed the nature of his one ability. Technically if this is correct, it would mean that Peter never actually had access to such powers like Telepathy and RCR in the same way that Matt and Claire did, and that every time he used a copied power, the only power he was ever actually using was EM, every time for every borowed power. Now I'm not saying this is correct, but it does raise the question in the light of Arthur's absorbtion- did he absorb 15 abilities from Peter, or just 1, meaning that he, alike Peter, when using these copied powers, was tapping into EM every time. What do people think?--Evil Maldini 08:52, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

  • Mohinder said that Peter's DNA was like a chameleon, changing itself to make room for new abilities. I believe that Peter's original ability allowed him to integrate new abilities to his system, but was still necessary to access it. For example, Peter had empathic mimicry and mimicked telekinesis. From that point on, he had the DNA needed for both abilities, but in order to access telekinesis, he needed empathic mimicry. Think of as expression of a genetic condition. You can have a gene for a determined characteristic, but if the gene isn't expressed, the characteristic doesn't appear. After integrating an ability, EM would function as an on\off switch. When Arthur took it from Peter, he copied all of the abilities stored in the DNA, and used his own ability as an off switch on Peter's EM, meaning Peter could no longer use it as the on switch to his acquired abilities. I think that's what happened based on Matt Jr. using his ability as the on switch on Hiro's ability. I don't know how it would work on Peter, since he took the formula, and that may have done something to the stored abilities, or perhaps changed the lock for an ability key, so to speak. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
    • I think the difference is in the exact usage of EM. I used to think that Peter used his base ability only when making the initial mimic, and after that used the abilities he copied in the same way the original holder would, only Peter had several of course. But if what mc said is true, then Peter doesn't actually have access to Telekinesis at all- only EM, which has re-synched as Suresh was eluding to, to be able to use Telekinetic effects. This could possibly explain why Peter's copied version of an ability is at first and for some time there after less acurate or potent than the original. In this case, Arthur would've absorbed only Peter's loaded EM, as mc suggested, not each ability as an individual, which changes the outlook on things considerably.--Evil Maldini 12:14, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
      • The reason I said about the fact Peter only has one, is that firstly, his ability is empathic mimicry, ie he mimics the ability, not has, and secondly the writers have said and it has been said on here multiple times, people can only have one ability. --mc_hammark 15:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
        • In that sense, it would be one jack-of-all-trades ability which can emulate the effects of other abilities, while not necessarily integrating them into the user. It's just a copy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:50, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
          • And if that is the case, then we should list it on Arthur's page, but remove all the others singularily.--Evil Maldini 16:44, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
            • This seems to be confirmed since HRG said Sylar was the only one with multiple powers, but Claude recognized that Peter was "one of those -- an empath".--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 10:36, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
              • I find this discussion very interesting. It kinda bothered when Arthur stole Peter's ability and he acquired all the ones Peter's mimiced, but after reading this and re-watching the chapter in the first volume where Suresh talks about EM it makes more sense. It also makes for the mixing of abilities to be more plausible it Peter's case; for example body insertion could be a mixture of telepathy, phasing... like that discussion indicates, though I am not implying it actually is. --Inblackestnight 15:54, 4 June 2010

I've always thought of Empathic Mimicry as a Lock on a Door. Peters Empathic Mimicry is the Key and then there's a Door with a Lock blocking the power. He has to use EM to use what's inside the door. Alessia1111 13:28, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

I dont think Peter absorbs abilities. Heres how i see it. Peter is near another evolved human. His ability resequences Peter's DNA to match theirs, granting Peter access to their abiities. He doesnt absorb, he mimics. And when he is not in their presence he uses empathy to recreate that DNA resequencing that grants him access to someone's powers. I remember reading somewhere on the Peter page that when he meets his future self he is only exposed to Empathic Mimicry, meaning peter doesnt actually HAVE the mimicked powers, unlike Sylar, but has to reproduce the resequencing to use them. The reason this ability is so powerful is because Empathic mimicry allows Peter's body to remember all previously mimicked abilities, and all he has to do is recall them. User:peterpetrelli15 17:38, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

Another point i was always curious about. Peter's scar. Which leads to Claire's regenerative powers. Ok, so Peter mimics regeneration and heals in Homecoming. He then recalls the ability in distractions. my question is, since rapid cell regeneration is a passive power does Peter have it constantly active once he recalls it? I mean Sylar's ability of Intuitive Aptitude is generally considered passive and Peter seemed to have it constantly active as he was pressed by the hunger, or he seemed under its influence. It has been established that without the ability Sylar isn't affected by the hunger and he only had the hunger in the second season because he still had his ability, he just couldn't access it. Where as when he didnt have the power thanks to the eclipse he didnt have the hunger. So was Peter constantly accessing an ability that long, as IA helps him understand and control powers better. Or was he screwed because it was now constantly active and he couldn't turn it off? I wish they were more clearer on this. Thoughts? User:peterpetrelli15 19:40, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

Rene

Did Rene help to develop Peter's ability or could he find another way to develop it? In ability development it said,After Rene erases his mind that he recall his abilities without remember the person who he aquired it off.--50000JH 10:55, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

  • In a sense, yes, he was the pebble that started the rockslide, though one could argue that had Thompson not recruited him, he wouldn't be there etc. etc. which is a large debate in itself (much like the chicken and the egg). I think the memory erasure only helped him to develop it faster, not the direct cause of it. --mc_hammark 11:04, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

Doesn't Sylar have this power too?

Isn't it obvious that Sylar has this power too? He was able to use this power to absorb electricity from Elle. He was born with the same power as Peter, then he absorbed his father's intuitive aptitude. His original power wasn't telekinesis, and it wasn't intuitive aptitude, it was empathic mimicry. It's beautiful really, how he was an innocent kid with the same power as the good guy, and then his father corrupted him. 03:15, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  • No. Sylar has a similar ability, but not the same ability. See here for a previous discussion on the matter. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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