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== Peter should have empathic mimicry back ==

Why doesn't it say this, all it says is flight when we know that the formula that was created was not enginered and so would only give the user his natural ability.--[[User:Omni314|Omni314]] ([[User talk:Omni314|Omni314]]) 07:58, 22 December 2008 (EST)
*Because while it's highly likely, saying he did may or may not be speculative, saying he got flight isn't. Please read the numerous topics about this matter above. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 08:01, 22 December 2008 (EST)

==If the power Peter has in ACAPD...==
... is still considered Empathic Mimicry (can't see why it shouldn't be...), then does no - one else think that the "sparks" Peter "made" when he touched Tracy can finally be used as a picture for it?--[[User:IotV|IotV]] 15:50, 3 February 2009 (EST)
*I wouldn't consider the power that Peter has now as empathetic mimicry. It's more like [[Ability_replication|ability replication]], or power borrowing.

== Shouldn't this page ==

Mention the future Peters? They both had new abilities to current day [[Peter]] and we have previously listed future characters as holding abilities on the same page as their present counter-parts.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 08:00, 4 February 2009 (EST)
*There's a very well written explanation for this somewhere, but I don't know where it is, so I'll do my best. When present Peter acquires an ability, it is assumed all future versions of him will have the ability (this includes his main ability). When any Future Peter acquires an ability, they are noted as having that ability, present Peter isn't. If present Peter gets an ability one of his future selves has, it is still listed cause he got the same power on a different occasion. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:33, 4 February 2009 (EST)

== Peter doesn't possess this anymore ==
In Trust and Blood it's pretty much indicated he has a different power: He doesn't know why but he can only hold one at a time, this was specifically said to Tracy and considering he needs to touch people it's quite likely different. -- Signyour Poste
:Yeah, we already had that pretty much figured out last week... <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:00, 10 February 2009 (EST)

== Change Picture ==

Wouldn't it be better if the picture was of Peter using an ability with the person he absorbed it from using the same ability at the same time? [[User:Sac983|Sac983]] 02:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
*It would, problem is, there is no such image, at least we don't have it, nor we can find a moment where such thing happened. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:55, 11 February 2009 (EST)
*Yeah. Be my guest to change it to that one if you can find an instance in the show like that... but I really don't recall Peter and another posthuman ever using their ability simultaneously. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 09:56, 11 February 2009 (EST)
**Peter, in [[Exposed]], used Matt's telepathic ability at the same time as Matt to infiltrate Building 26. I'm not sure if that will make a good picture, though, as telepathic abilities are not that photogenic. --[[User:Balkce|Balkce]] 06:13, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
What about the picture of Future Hiro and Peter on the train, with time frozen? -- Signyour Poste

== Question ==

How did this power technically work? I keep seeing it works by emotions only at the source of the power or just by thinking about the original source of the ability. I just want to make sure how it worked. --[[User:TrueBlueBrooklynite|TrueBlueBrooklynite]] 18:13, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

I thought that it would work only when someone who was empathic and could love unconditionally that they could mimic abilities [[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 18:21, 11 March 2009 (EDT) Gabriel Bishop
*Yeah, I always understood that it was similar to intuitive aptitude except that while IA allows you to understand how a power works and duplicate it, EM would let you mimic the emotional state that activates the power (remember that often times each person's ability reflects their personality). Does that make sense? --{{User:Yamawhata?/signature}} 18:43, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
**Yeah that sounds right. I've always seen it as, unlike Sylar using empathy, Peter automatically absorbs the abilities of those in his proximity, and recalls the abilities through "empathy". It doesn't make much sense (or would be hard to do) when he uses multiple abilities at the same time... --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 04:20, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
***It does sound as though an empath may suffer from a psychological breakdown down the road, having to recall so many feelings that are not his/her own at a given time. Identifying which feeling is external and which one is personal may create an identification crisis. I'm now wondering if future Peter, beside of the guilt he carried from blowing up in Kirby Plaza, may have been suffering from this as well. --[[User:Balkce|Balkce]] 06:00, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
== Empathy vs Sympathy ==
I think some distinctions need to be made. I thought of a couple of places to put my thoughts down, and so this will be copied elsewhere. I am going to discuss Sylars use of what you all are referring to as "empathy" to absorb/copy powers.
First of all, his primary innate ability is intuitive aptitude. And we all know he studied the brain to learn how the power worked and has such a deep understand is able to replicate it. But his intuitive aptitude goes beyond understand powers, he understands how a watch works etc. But he has learned to understand the emotional side of powers, and has a deep understanding of the emotional impact and is able to replicate powers.
Now I would like to throw out a few definitions, I looked up a lot of definitions of both empathy and sympathy. I will just quote something from dicitonary.com. "Both empathy and sympathy are feelings concerning other people. Sympathy is literally 'feeling with' - compassion for or commiseration with another person. Empathy, by contrast, is literally 'feeling into' - the ability to project one's personality into another person and more fully understand that person". So Empathy is more of an effort, you have to put yourself into someone else’s shoes, and (key word here people) '''UNDERSTANDING''' a persons feelings, remember Sylar's base ability intuitive aptitude?
While on the other hand, as passionate as Peter is (was) his power takes no conscious effort, and is therefore sympathy. Sympathy is just something that happens, while the empathy is a conscious effort of thinking and understanding. So I think Empathic mimicry is not a power really, just an aspect of the aspcetof Intuitive Aptitude that allows for power copying, as it deals with understanding. While Peter's ability should have been called Sympathetic Mimicry. And while I am at it, I just want to say I think Peter's power is ability copying, yet how the copying happens is dependent on his personality.
-[[User:da_carnivore|da_carnivore]]
*I always believed that Peter's ability, not how he uses it, but his actual ability is "Power mimicry". It explains how his DNA works, which Mohinder said is like a mosaic. It also explains how he automatically absorbs and sometimes mimics abilities. Now, I do think that Peter found it easy for him to use empathy, "putting himself in others shoes" to use abilities. But he really is just a mimic. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:27, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
**Yeah so do I. Just how he abosrbs the ability is different. What I wanted to say is that "empathic mimicry" has been misnamed, it isnt really a power at all it is more a new found aspect of Sylars IA, as empathy requires understanding of a persons feelings etc.

==CBR confirms Sylar used Empathic mimicry with Elle and James Martin==
...we should add him to this page, with those two examples. Also confirms it wasn't the TK-nosepull like the deleted scene. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 12:54 (EST)</small>
*It confirms nothing of the sort. It only says that Sylar used empathy to get James Martin's ability as he did to get Elle's ability, but it doesn't say anything about Peter's old ability. {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 13:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Why would you say that? Sylar acquired both Elle's ability and James Martin's ability '''the same way that Peter used to do. They empathized with the ability controller, and mimicked the ability into their quiver of abilities'''. Aaron flat-out said it wasn't the TK-nose trick from the deleted scene, and Sylar didn't open up his skull and use [[Intuitive aptitude]] to gain the ability. Here is what the CBR article stated:
<br><br>''"Ninail has a couple of questions about Sylar: How did Sylar manage to remove the shapeshifter's brain for study without cutting the skull? Through mouth and nose, like with the impenetrable skin guy from the season 2 abandoned scenes? From his evil grin '''I assume he hadn't gained shapeshifting through empathy'''"'''...Aaron and Joe reply: '''"'''Empathy''' is not necessarily exclusive from evil – '''it’s more about understanding'''. And '''understanding James Martin was what Sylar’s journey was all about this particular episode'''. "''
<br><br>
Aaron and Joe both correct her premise that it was Nose-TK and wasn't Empathy, but rather confirm that it was Empathy. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 14:06 (EST)</small>
** All they say is that it is an understanding that helped him. Not necessarily empathy. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 14:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
How is this different from what we already knew? - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 14:28, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
*** Actually he said quote: '' '''Empathy'''...it's more about understanding.....understanding James Martin was what Sylar's journey was all about this particular episode".'' The subject of the explanation was '''Empathy''' as to how Sylar acquired [[James Martin]]'s ability, without making a mark on him. The part where he said Empathy was not exclusive from evil was saying that just because Sylar was evil, didn't mean he couldn't emphathize...rather he did empathize to mimic James Martin's ability in this episode. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 15:04 (EST)</small>
**** Ok, for the sake of argument say he did use empathy, it still doesn't change anything, it is simply ability development and does not need to be added to empathic mimicry but rather simply said on sylar's ability. In my opinion anyway. --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 15:26, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
** Would it be a far stretch to say that Sylar used his [[Intuitive aptitude]] ability to figure out how things work, to figure out how [[Empathic mimicry]] worked, and to add it to his quiver just like he has added other abilities? It's just different in that now that he has [[Empathic mimicry]] in his quiver, he can use it directly also, to gain other abilities ([[Electric manipulation]] and [[Shapeshifting]]) instead of his normal practice of using [[Telekinesis]] and [[Intuitive aptitude]] to learn new abilities? That's how I see it. EM is one of many abilities Sylar has used IA to acquire, but EM's own innate feature allows him to use it (EM) to also gain additional abilities without relying on IA at all, if he so chooses. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/7/2009 15:36 (EST)</small>
*** My opinion? Empathy = understand how others feel, therefore empathy = an application of IA that has similar effects to EM, even though EM =/= IA. EM just passively and automatically mimics an ability, requiring the user to think about how they felt about the person they got the ability from in order to access it, IA has an active application which allows the user to understand how a subject feels, acquiring their abilities in a way similar to, yet different from EM. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:54, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
* Why would it matter whether Sylar used a special application of IA or just regular EM if the results were the same? What is the point and meaning in differentiating the two? I see no reason not to list EM as an acquired ability for Sylar other than the fact that it hasn't been explicitly stated on screen. IIRC 'empathic mimicry' itself was never named on screen. It seems like people who don't want to recognize Sylar having EM seem to have this mental imprint that Sylar can only acquire new abilities with IA, and any displays of empathy must be attributed to IA because that's how they 'visualize' the character of Syler. IA = Sylar = Bad guy and EM = for the 'good guys.' It's a bit irrational IMO but the facts are Sylar is acquiring abilities without examining a brain directly, and using empathy. If that isn't EM than I don't know what is. Coming up with theories on why what he's doing is just IA is pure speculation. We have a definition of EM, we have seen specific examples of Sylar fulfilling the criteria of EM. My two cents {{User:Barbedknives/sig}}08:33, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
**people don't want to list sylar as having EM, because he does NOT have it. We know using empathy to gain an ability is an application of IA that is similar to EM. It's in the same way you can use telepathy to persuade people. It's an example of ability homology, not him having the same ability.

== How did we miss this? ==

''“Since Sylar understands and seems to empathize with Luke, does that mean he would've acquired, or can acquire, his microwave powers through '''empathic mimicry'''?”''

'''''Yes it does.''''' http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20086 - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 01:01, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

*See my numerous posts at [[Theory talk:Sylar]] on why Sylar's ability can't be empathic mimicry, also no need to have the same discussion in two pages, if you want, reply at the link, be sure to read everything before doing so. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:48, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
**That discussion is about a theory; I'm just feeding this information into the discussion of whether or not Sylar's empathic mimicry can be accepted as fact. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 18:00, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
What empathic mimicry? Sylar has [[intuitive aptitude]], not empathic mimicry.--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 19:04, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
*Sylar can absorb abilities through empathy (see [[It's Coming]]). Odds are, intuitive aptitude was gained this way. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 19:12, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
**I direct people's attention to [[Theory talk:Sylar#Abilities and Assumptions|this]]. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:54, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

== number of abilities that available ==

Is it possibilty that a number of abilities can be stored and used, we knew that he had loads of abilities, when Peter had this ability, Arthur might have less depending on how much Peter use an ability that Arthur has absorbed. If you at the list what Peter abilities could have but not use like Clairvoyance then Arthur won't have have it and use IA or telepath to find Hiro, IA anaylsing know what Hiro would do or read mind from past, also having IA and telepath that he can develop telepath quickly and make it into clairvoyance. 50000JH

== Sylar has this power... ==

...as well being natural, How Sylar copied Elles power Empathic, IA and then mimicry. Peter having IA is natual

I know people are going to say a character has one ability. 50000JH

When Sylar talks to Ellie he is connecting with her empathicly and then can mimicry her ability.
On sympathic and empathic section here it is saying that Peter does not talk like Sylar did or learn about the person, but being a nurse he dealing with people was his job so being empathic would comes second nature to Peter but not to Sylar and Peter has IA that I reckon he can anaylse human behaviour if possible because of being a nurse but he doing it subconscious and is unaware that is doing it but can't access IA. 50000JH

When Peter was in the cell he manage to phrase
without meeting DL, he can't empathicly think
about DL because he hasn't met him nor can he empathicly
think about Nicki or he gets super strength.50000JH

Sylar said to Noah that he can anaylse
human behaviour. I'm wondering can you,
would it be possible in the real world
to anaylse a thief's mind see how he thinks
by scanning it, I know people will say there
is no logic but if there is, is he using IA
because people personality aren't system and
IA is to anaylse system. When he cuts open
people head we know that he is looking for
the ability source but is he anaylsing the
personality and the person.50000JH

Sylar wouldn't have lost abilities he got via brain examination to the Shanti virus if that was the case. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:33, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

To me what Sylar does was get on empathic level, use his IA to anaylse the person then mimic but with Peter he doing it straight away but not knowing he is doing it. I'm sorry if I repeated myself. 50000JH

* I think IA has a byproduct which acts like EM. Usually, Sylar needs to examine one's brain to understand how one's power works. But how does he absorb it? Here goes the absorbing aspect of IA: after analyzing a power, Sylar replicates it. But Arthur proved brain examination isn't necessary. Still, it required a significant effort to absorb Elle's ability, but I bet it's still needed during brain examination. This process isn't passive. And empathic mimicry ''is'' a passive ability, and this is why what Sylar does and what Peter used to be able to do are not the same thing. {{User:Altes/Signature}}

<Spoiler removed>

Do not mention spoiler information out of spoiler pages. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:04, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

== Season 3 DVD Confirms Arthur's and Peter's Ability Are The Same. ==

Thanks to the Season 3 DVD of Heroes, in the special feature "The Writers Forum", they discuss what Arthur's ability was going to be and in comparison to Peter's and finally give us a definitive answer to what there abilities actually are.

They confirmed that they're ability is (the base) "Ability absorption". Arthur's is a 'Version 1.0' of Peter's. They said, "It's a evolution of Peter's ability". And also that, "Peter always had it in him to do exactly what Arthur did. Always had it in him to steal, but Peter chose the lightness rather than the villainy."

It shows that their power is to 'absorb others abilities'. Peter uses empathy and just has to 'feel' the person, while Arthur chooses to 'take' their power, but both are capable of doing both and in fact are the same ability. Just like Knox's Fear-Strength and Niki's Strength are, or Flint's Blue-Pyrokinesis and Meridith's Pyrokinesis.

I also think that Peter's new "touch" ability is also just another evolution of "Ability absorption" and will be able to hold more powers again soon. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 02:14, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
* Wow. Wow! But what about the assignment tracker map? It lists their abilities under different names. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
** Well for Arthur, 'Power absorption' is correct and for Peter, at the time, he was an empathic power mimic so someone probably came up with 'Empathic mimicry'. But they are really just the name of how they use their ability, not what it actually is. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 03:18, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
*** Yeah, I just wondered why ATM lists their abilities different if they are actually the same. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
**** Oh ****, this is going to mess up so many things around here. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:44, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
* Which disc is this on? - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 16:46, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
** Disc 5. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 23:13, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
***The DVD is not a higher source on the naming convention than the Tracker names. So no, nothing changes. This information is relegated to the notes sections. I haven't looked (don't have the time), but if someone has put in a mainspace article that the powers are the same, please move the information to the notes. Although the writers are the authority, the method of which they state their ideas is what's different-what's cannon (what's on the screen) weighs more than what's cut/just ideas (such as deleted scenes or writer interview/DVD commentary). So no, in cannon, Arthur's ability is '''DIFFERENT''' than Peter's. Please make appropriate edits. Thank you.--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 22:19, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
****No, what's canon is that the Company confirmed assignment tracker tips that used different names for it. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 22:48, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
**** Agree, Bob. I don't think that I've seen any major edits that changes anything. I'll add to the notes now. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:02, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
***** Additionally, the writers say that one ability is "the evolution" of the other. That does not necessarily mean they are the same ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:03, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
****** You mean like freezing and water mimicry? But it was said Peter always could steal powers, he just chose not too. {{User:Altes/Signature}}

I am so confused. How is a Assignment Tracker, more Canon then the actual writers discussing the abilities ? --[[User:Scorvi12|Scorvi12]] 06:36, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
* See [[help:sources]]. The Assignment Tracker is a reliable in-world source. Normally it would be considered near-canon. We have deemed the Assignment Tracker a special case for naming of abilities only since the names are given so explicitly. On the other hand, writers discussing something from an out-of-world perspective is a secondary source. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:03, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
**hmm. so power absorption seems to heavily reflect emotional state. Peter could steal powers if he wanted too, but because he's a nice guy he just copies them, and now he is cut off from everyone and can only take one at a time.

This well mean that someone with power asorption would be immune to space-time manipulation when frozen.[50000JH 17:29, 13 January 2010 (EST)]

== Arthur, Peter AND Sylar? ==
I wouldn't be surprised if next time we'll discover that Sylar's ability is "ability absorption" too, cause Sylar uses its another aspect - hunger for understanding. He already can use the empathic aspect of intuitive aptitude, and BTE said many times it's not different from Peter's ability. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
* Well Sylar can do something that Peter and Arthur can't. 'Understand how things work.' So I think it's safe to say 'Intuitive Aptitude' is it's own ability and Empathic mimicry is a by-product of it. --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 01:41, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
** Actually, it was never stated they couldn't understand how things work. It was also kept secret for a very long time Peter could steal abilities too. So who knows... Maybe Peter didn't actually absorb IA. Maybe Sylar just helped him to unlock this aspect of EM. It's all speculation, of course, but that would be really... dunno. Awesome? Or predictable... {{User:Altes/Signature}}
Arthur told Sylar that he could gain powers by "opening up his heart that a part of him was empathy" that to me is telling a person "how something work" it may not be on the same lines like fixing a watch. Peter had sturcture in his childhood and throughout his life which Sylar didn't.
Sylar work on watches which he could have skills pick up he also read brain examanination books and this being heroes his brain evolved it into an ability, Peter work with the sick so he quickly learn how to read Peter and their emotions. although may not be the case. Peter old ability and Sylar could have the same abilities but in different forms and that Peter current ability, aura absorption could be the same abilities but in other forms [[--[[User:50000JH/signature]] 12:49, 5 October 2009 (EDT)/signature]]

== Is Peter regaining this ability? ==
Ever since he started helping people again, he seems to be moving back to the Peter we saw from S1. Bonding with [[Samuel]], his general nature with people, it all seems like he's regaining empathy. They've even made it subtle as to whether he has [[Samuel]]'s ability as well as [[Super speed]]. Makes me think we could see [[Empathic mimicry]] 2.0, which would be a great story for Peter in terms of dealing with that kind of power again. Anyone else think they're heading this way? -- [[User:Mr_Zeddemore|Mr Zeddemore]] 18:19, 7 October 2009 (EST)
* To me Peter didn't loose the ability when he injected himself but had a mental block that he couldn't trust anyone. Started from Arthur.{{User:50000JH/signature}}
**I have to agree, and I really really hope that is the direction they take his character. I have been resenting his new "ability" from the start, but enough is enough. Sylar lost all of his abilities for an entire season, and now Peter has been dealing with his hum-drum ability since the first-half of season 3. I noticed the change in his demeanor during his talk with Samuel, he really did give off a lot of the old Peter vibes from season 1, I don't care if they put a cap on the number of abilities he can absorb, or the type, just so long as he can have some of his old umph back. I was getting fed up with super powerful sylar and his invincibility dance. I want sylar to get his memory and personality back, I want peter to get his mimicry back, and I want an earth shattering showdown between the two, not 2 minutes of one of them hitting the other with a parking meter and then Peter exploding, I'm talking 10 minutes of all out, balls to the wall ass whooping. It's what I'd like to see, some freaking action. Okay I've rambled enough. [[User:Fourletterfame|Fourletterfame]] 14:25, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
I would like to see the writers develop another form of this ability for Peter, but instead of taking abilities like power absorbtion, he take them like empathic mimicry but can also duplicate an ability to give to another person with or without an ability but has a time limited in which the person he gives it to.[50000JH 16:29, 30 October 2009 (EDT)]

== Description ==
It says when he thinks of the orginal source, could we change this a bit? Or at least said with his power evolutions, he din't needed to think anymore about the source, he could use the powers depending on his emotions. He doens't need to think about the source anymore [[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]] 10:19, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
**Well we're pretty sure he no longer needs to think of the source, but we haven't had any real confirmation on it, so it's best not to change it.[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 18:37, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== Main Image ==

Can we changed the image to moving pictures, either to the second time Peter and Sylar meet, or multi screens e.g future Hiro stopping time on the train, him regenerating after meeting Claire and many others.[50000JH 12:21, 29 October 2009 (EDT)]
*Current image is much better, it shows him using an ability in the presence of the person he got it from. Better than that, only an image of him using an ability at the same time the person he got it from is. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:33, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

== Name change to Power Mimicry ==
Has is been conclusively shown that the actual canon name of the ability is empathic mimicry? Further more, as the description has changed to not reference any involvement with sympathy or empathy, I submit that we rename this ability. For this and many other reasons. If you would like to see a more in depth explanation, see my section on the Sylar theories talk page, 'Abilities and Assumptions,' found [[Theory_talk:Sylar#Abilities_and_Assumptions|here]]. -{{user:barbedknives/sig}} 05:30, 11 November 2009 (EST)
* Assignment tracker map lists Peter's ability as such. {{User:Altes/Signature}}

== Can I ask you something? ==

With EM, Peter automatically absorbed every ability around him, though he may have never displayed some of them. Is it correct? {{User:Altes/Signature}} 10:02, 12 December 2009 (EST)
*Yes, we consider all abilities he is around as absorbed, but he only manifests the ones he actually uses. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 10:12, 12 December 2009 (EST)

== Lead Image ==

Any one oppose of [[:Image:Powers claude grabs peter.jpg|this image]] becoming the new lead image? It's a lot clearer/lighter than the one we have now, and show the two fighting invisibly. Thoughts?--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 20:46, 20 December 2009 (EST)
*My problem with that picture is that it just looks like two people fighting, but shows no clear power use. The one we have right now isn't the best, but at least it shows him displaying an ability. {{User:Vampirate68/sig}} 21:08, 20 December 2009 (EST)
** Agree. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:32, 20 December 2009 (EST)
*** I always liked the one when Peter manifests precognition near Isaac. He looks at the unfinished painting with Sylar and sees something in the empty space. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 03:57, 22 December 2009 (EST)
**** [[:Image:Peter_mimics_precognition.jpg|This one]]. {{User:Altes/Signature}} 04:10, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== Arthur ==

Why do we list Arthur as having absorbed this? It was my understanding that Arthur's name was added only to the abilities he demonstrated and he never demonstrated Empathic mimicry so shouldn't it just read Peter (lost)?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 12:12, 8 January 2010 (EST)
*Because Peter clearly lost this ability when Arthur took it, implying that Arthur absorbed it. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 12:27, 8 January 2010 (EST)


== Past Self ==
== Past Self ==
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***Perhaps it was less of an empathic link with "people", and more of a link with his ''own'' feelings, feeling trapped kicked in the phasing... and just like with Tracy and her freezing, they kick in depending on different situations. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 12:11, 25 January 2010 (EST)
***Perhaps it was less of an empathic link with "people", and more of a link with his ''own'' feelings, feeling trapped kicked in the phasing... and just like with Tracy and her freezing, they kick in depending on different situations. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 12:11, 25 January 2010 (EST)
*I think it's been said before but the act of empathising with someone or something is a a) a conscious choice and b) an active process. Peter's ability violates both of these rules as he absorbed some powers (e.g. Telepathy) without being aware the ability existed so that's a) gone, and some powers (e.g. Phasing) with no effort whatsoever so that's b) gone. If anything, what Sylar does is empathy. Peter's ability is simply misnamed- should just be Power mimicry or Passive mimicry.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 12:09, 27 January 2010 (EST)
*I think it's been said before but the act of empathising with someone or something is a a) a conscious choice and b) an active process. Peter's ability violates both of these rules as he absorbed some powers (e.g. Telepathy) without being aware the ability existed so that's a) gone, and some powers (e.g. Phasing) with no effort whatsoever so that's b) gone. If anything, what Sylar does is empathy. Peter's ability is simply misnamed- should just be Power mimicry or Passive mimicry.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 12:09, 27 January 2010 (EST)
*I got a question: Can't this ability be renamed to anything related to "Power/Ability Mimicry"? I think most would agree that he does not absorb abilities empathically(at least, on most cases). By "empathically", I mean by the traditional sense of the word, which is to relate to others and reciprocate feelings and emotions.--[[User:Realistic|Realistic]]
** No, we can't rename this. "Empathic mimicry" was given to us explicitly.--[[User:Referos|Referos]] 10:30, 31 January 2010 (EST)
***Yup. Another case of the "canon" rule preventing a change even though we all know the name isn't acurate. Thing is, writers can make mistakes too (I study it so I should know), as can any member of the crew who release information. What we should do is always follow the canon, unless we can distinguish that the writers/crew themselves have made a mistake- which is pretty much the basis for one side of the naming conventions debate- a debate which will never conclude, so we'll just have to accept the name in it's incorrect form.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 18:04, 31 January 2010 (EST)
****Peter said he had to remember how he felt when he met Claire, in order to use RCR when Claude pushed him over the edge. Meaning empathetically. I too thought we should have called it Ability mimicry, but I see it should remain as empathic mimicry.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 18:26, 31 January 2010 (EST)
***** It's not our place to decide when the writers make mistakes, Maldini. Feel free to send them an email or something questioning it, but unless we have some other source against it, it's our job to archive what we've been given.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
****** History of the name: we originally called the ability "power mimicry". After Claude used the word "empath" to describe Peter and his power, we moved the page to "empathy". Much discussion later, we combined the two terms and called it "empathic mimicry" on January 31, 2007. At that point, the name was considered a descriptive name--it was based on something said in a canon source, but there was no canon source for the name. It wasn't until August 5, 2008, I believe, that the [[assignment tracker map]] explicitly named Peter's ability. I assume that the writers used Heroes Wiki's name for the power, but I can't be positive. Either way, it's the name that was explicitly given to us, and which we will use. Frankly, I think it's a great name. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:03, 1 February 2010 (EST)
*Remembering how someone made you feel isn't empathy, that's just memory. And it's been proven he could use his powers without "remembering how the doner made him feel" in season 2, when he couldn't even remember who he was, let alone who all his donors were. Plus, it's since been proven that RCR is a passive ability- and doesn't need conscious thought or imperitive, meaning that, in narrative Peter was mistaken due to a coincidence of thought and the passive RCR, and out of narrative, that angle of his power has since been changed or evolved. Empathy is pro-active, simple as. It's not a question of whether it's an acurate name cos it's not, actually, it's not a question at all. And Ryan, I actually like the name too, despite what I'm saying, but I don't have to dislike it to admit it's flawed.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 11:35, 1 February 2010 (EST)
** Well is the discussion about a perceived flaw in the name, or about renaming the ability? There are a few comments above about renaming the ability. Despite whatever flaws one may see in the name (I don't see any glaring flaws), there won't be any changes to the name since it was given to us explicitly. However, if the discussion is about the flaws people see, then I'll step out of the way and let y'all discuss it. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

== The nature of Empathic mimicry... ==

A discussion carried on over from Arthur's page, what exactly is the nature of EM? Over on Arthur's page, it's being said that EM, perhaps due to Suresh's 'sponge' comment, is the only ability Peter ever had- and all the other abilities that Peter mimicked simply changed the nature of his one ability. Technically if this is correct, it would mean that Peter never actually had access to such powers like Telepathy and RCR in the same way that Matt and Claire did, and that every time he used a copied power, the only power he was ever actually using was EM, every time for every borowed power. Now I'm not saying this is correct, but it does raise the question in the light of Arthur's absorbtion- did he absorb 15 abilities from Peter, or just 1, meaning that he, alike Peter, when using these copied powers, was tapping into EM every time. What do people think?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 08:52, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
*Mohinder said that Peter's DNA was like a chameleon, changing itself to make room for new abilities. I believe that Peter's original ability allowed him to integrate new abilities to his system, but was still necessary to access it. For example, Peter had empathic mimicry and mimicked telekinesis. From that point on, he had the DNA needed for both abilities, but in order to access telekinesis, he needed empathic mimicry. Think of as expression of a genetic condition. You can have a gene for a determined characteristic, but if the gene isn't expressed, the characteristic doesn't appear. After integrating an ability, EM would function as an on\off switch. When Arthur took it from Peter, he copied all of the abilities stored in the DNA, and used his own ability as an off switch on Peter's EM, meaning Peter could no longer use it as the on switch to his acquired abilities. I think that's what happened based on Matt Jr. using his ability as the on switch on Hiro's ability. I don't know how it would work on Peter, since he took the formula, and that may have done something to the stored abilities, or perhaps changed the lock for an ability key, so to speak. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
**I think the difference is in the exact usage of EM. I used to think that Peter used his base ability only when making the initial mimic, and after that used the abilities he copied in the same way the original holder would, only Peter had several of course. But if what mc said is true, then Peter doesn't actually have access to Telekinesis at all- only EM, which has re-synched as Suresh was eluding to, to be able to use Telekinetic effects. This could possibly explain why Peter's copied version of an ability is at first and for some time there after less acurate or potent than the original. In this case, Arthur would've absorbed only Peter's loaded EM, as mc suggested, not each ability as an individual, which changes the outlook on things considerably.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 12:14, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
***The reason I said about the fact Peter only has one, is that firstly, his ability is empathic ''mimicry'', ie he mimics the ability, not has, and secondly the writers have said and it has been said on here multiple times, people can only have ''one'' ability. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
****In that sense, it would be one jack-of-all-trades ability which can emulate the effects of other abilities, while not necessarily integrating them into the user. It's just a copy. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:50, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
*****And if that is the case, then we should list it on Arthur's page, but remove all the others singularily.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 16:44, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
******This seems to be confirmed since HRG said Sylar was the only one with multiple powers, but Claude recognized that Peter was "one of those -- an empath".--''<small>[[User:Boycool42|<font color=blue>BOYCOOL</font>]]</small>'' -- '''''<big>[[User talk:Boycool42|<font color=black>THE END IS NIGH.</font>]]</big>''''' 10:36, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
*******I find this discussion very interesting. It kinda bothered when Arthur stole Peter's ability and he acquired all the ones Peter's mimiced, but after reading this and re-watching the chapter in the first volume where Suresh talks about '''EM''' it makes more sense. It also makes for the mixing of abilities to be more plausible it Peter's case; for example '''body insertion''' could be a mixture of '''telepathy, phasing'''... like that discussion indicates, though I am not implying it actually is. --[[User:Inblackestnight|Inblackestnight]] 15:54, 4 June 2010

I've always thought of Empathic Mimicry as a Lock on a Door. Peters Empathic Mimicry is the Key and then there's a Door with a Lock blocking the power. He has to use EM to use what's inside the door. [[User:Alessia1111|Alessia1111]] 13:28, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

I dont think Peter absorbs abilities. Heres how i see it.
Peter is near another evolved human. His ability resequences Peter's DNA to match theirs, granting Peter access to their abiities. He doesnt absorb, he mimics. And when he is not in their presence he uses empathy to recreate that DNA resequencing that grants him access to someone's powers. I remember reading somewhere on the Peter page that when he meets his future self he is only exposed to Empathic Mimicry, meaning peter doesnt actually HAVE the mimicked powers, unlike Sylar, but has to reproduce the resequencing to use them. The reason this ability is so powerful is because Empathic mimicry allows Peter's body to remember all previously mimicked abilities, and all he has to do is recall them. [[User:peterpetrelli15]] 17:38, 22 October 2011 (EDT)
* That's an interesting theory. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:43, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

Another point i was always curious about. Peter's scar. Which leads to Claire's regenerative powers. Ok, so Peter mimics regeneration and heals in Homecoming. He then recalls the ability in distractions. my question is, since rapid cell regeneration is a passive power does Peter have it constantly active once he recalls it? I mean Sylar's ability of Intuitive Aptitude is generally considered passive and Peter seemed to have it constantly active as he was pressed by the hunger, or he seemed under its influence. It has been established that without the ability Sylar isn't affected by the hunger and he only had the hunger in the second season because he still had his ability, he just couldn't access it. Where as when he didnt have the power thanks to the eclipse he didnt have the hunger. So was Peter constantly accessing an ability that long, as IA helps him understand and control powers better. Or was he screwed because it was now constantly active and he couldn't turn it off? I wish they were more clearer on this. Thoughts? [[User:peterpetrelli15]] 19:40, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

== Rene ==

Did Rene help to develop Peter's ability or could he find another way to develop it? In ability development it said,After Rene erases his mind that he recall his abilities without remember the person who he aquired it off.--50000JH 10:55, 26 April 2010 (EDT)
*In a sense, yes, he was the pebble that started the rockslide, though one could argue that had Thompson not recruited him, he wouldn't be there etc. etc. which is a large debate in itself (much like the chicken and the egg). I think the memory erasure only helped him to develop it faster, not the direct cause of it. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 11:04, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

== Doesn't Sylar have this power too? ==

Isn't it obvious that Sylar has this power too? He was able to use this power to absorb electricity from Elle. He was born with the same power as Peter, then he absorbed his father's intuitive aptitude. His original power wasn't telekinesis, and it wasn't intuitive aptitude, it was empathic mimicry. It's beautiful really, how he was an innocent kid with the same power as the good guy, and then his father corrupted him. 03:15, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
* No. Sylar has a similar ability, but not the same ability. [[Talk:Empathic_mimicry/Archive_3#CBR_confirms_Sylar_used_Empathic_mimicry_with_Elle_and_James_Martin|See here]] for a previous discussion on the matter. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine empathic mimicry's name.
Source/Explanation
"Empathic Mimcry"[sic] is explicitly named in Peter's tip in the Assignment Tracker Map.
Archives Archived Topics
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Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]]

Mar 2007-Dec 2008 [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mes]]

Dec 2008-Jan 2010 [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error mess]] • [[Talk:Empathic mimicry/Archive 3#

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Past Self

Could Peter replicate his old ability by touching his past self?(50000JH 18:20, 12 January 2010 (EST))

  • Dont think so, it has been stated that Peter could't absorb abilities from his future self from when he had his old ability. I think the same would be for this ability.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 18:21, 12 January 2010 (EST)
    • What was said is that he couldn't absorb Future Peter's acquired abilities, as he was only exposed to his base power, empathic mimicry. Peter could indeed replicate past Peter's empathic mimicry, just like he can replicate anyone's base power. - Josh (talk/contribs) 18:47, 12 January 2010 (EST)
      • We dont know if it was the ability that didn't made him absorb it or the person, what if he is just is unable to absorb abilities from himself.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 17:22, 13 January 2010 (EST)

I knew he could not mimic his future self, as he did not mimic body insertion.[50000JH 17:19, 13 January 2010 (EST)]

Does he really absorb abilities empathically?

I'm just wondering about this: does Peter, when he still had EM, absorb abilities EMPATHICALLY? By empathy, I understand that it's about feeling what others feel, know their emotions and other whatnots. Peter has met some evolved humans and absorbed their abilites yet he doesn't know much about them, let alone emapthically relate to them to absorb their abilities. Like Phasing from D.L(whom he only met once at Kirby Plaza), Induced Radioactivity(he manifested Ted's ability as soon as he saw him) and Precognition(he manifested Precognition after barely treating(from heroin) and barely knowing Isaac. I really doubt he absorbed abilities "empathically". Thoughts? --Realistic

  • I know what you mean and personally I think the way Peter absorbed abilities sometimes was bad writing. However, we were given the name "empathic mimicry" for his original power, so we should stick to it.--Referos 08:44, 25 January 2010 (EST)
    • Ability Mimicry would have been much better from the beginning but like Referos said, we have been given that name so well we have to stick with it for now -- (WaterRatj) 09:17, 25 January 2010 (EST)
      • Perhaps it was less of an empathic link with "people", and more of a link with his own feelings, feeling trapped kicked in the phasing... and just like with Tracy and her freezing, they kick in depending on different situations. --mc_hammark 12:11, 25 January 2010 (EST)
  • I think it's been said before but the act of empathising with someone or something is a a) a conscious choice and b) an active process. Peter's ability violates both of these rules as he absorbed some powers (e.g. Telepathy) without being aware the ability existed so that's a) gone, and some powers (e.g. Phasing) with no effort whatsoever so that's b) gone. If anything, what Sylar does is empathy. Peter's ability is simply misnamed- should just be Power mimicry or Passive mimicry.--Evil Maldini 12:09, 27 January 2010 (EST)
  • I got a question: Can't this ability be renamed to anything related to "Power/Ability Mimicry"? I think most would agree that he does not absorb abilities empathically(at least, on most cases). By "empathically", I mean by the traditional sense of the word, which is to relate to others and reciprocate feelings and emotions.--Realistic
    • No, we can't rename this. "Empathic mimicry" was given to us explicitly.--Referos 10:30, 31 January 2010 (EST)
      • Yup. Another case of the "canon" rule preventing a change even though we all know the name isn't acurate. Thing is, writers can make mistakes too (I study it so I should know), as can any member of the crew who release information. What we should do is always follow the canon, unless we can distinguish that the writers/crew themselves have made a mistake- which is pretty much the basis for one side of the naming conventions debate- a debate which will never conclude, so we'll just have to accept the name in it's incorrect form.--Evil Maldini 18:04, 31 January 2010 (EST)
        • Peter said he had to remember how he felt when he met Claire, in order to use RCR when Claude pushed him over the edge. Meaning empathetically. I too thought we should have called it Ability mimicry, but I see it should remain as empathic mimicry.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:26, 31 January 2010 (EST)
          • It's not our place to decide when the writers make mistakes, Maldini. Feel free to send them an email or something questioning it, but unless we have some other source against it, it's our job to archive what we've been given.--Riddler 20:52, 31 January 2010 (EST)
            • History of the name: we originally called the ability "power mimicry". After Claude used the word "empath" to describe Peter and his power, we moved the page to "empathy". Much discussion later, we combined the two terms and called it "empathic mimicry" on January 31, 2007. At that point, the name was considered a descriptive name--it was based on something said in a canon source, but there was no canon source for the name. It wasn't until August 5, 2008, I believe, that the assignment tracker map explicitly named Peter's ability. I assume that the writers used Heroes Wiki's name for the power, but I can't be positive. Either way, it's the name that was explicitly given to us, and which we will use. Frankly, I think it's a great name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:03, 1 February 2010 (EST)
  • Remembering how someone made you feel isn't empathy, that's just memory. And it's been proven he could use his powers without "remembering how the doner made him feel" in season 2, when he couldn't even remember who he was, let alone who all his donors were. Plus, it's since been proven that RCR is a passive ability- and doesn't need conscious thought or imperitive, meaning that, in narrative Peter was mistaken due to a coincidence of thought and the passive RCR, and out of narrative, that angle of his power has since been changed or evolved. Empathy is pro-active, simple as. It's not a question of whether it's an acurate name cos it's not, actually, it's not a question at all. And Ryan, I actually like the name too, despite what I'm saying, but I don't have to dislike it to admit it's flawed.--Evil Maldini 11:35, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • Well is the discussion about a perceived flaw in the name, or about renaming the ability? There are a few comments above about renaming the ability. Despite whatever flaws one may see in the name (I don't see any glaring flaws), there won't be any changes to the name since it was given to us explicitly. However, if the discussion is about the flaws people see, then I'll step out of the way and let y'all discuss it. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The nature of Empathic mimicry...

A discussion carried on over from Arthur's page, what exactly is the nature of EM? Over on Arthur's page, it's being said that EM, perhaps due to Suresh's 'sponge' comment, is the only ability Peter ever had- and all the other abilities that Peter mimicked simply changed the nature of his one ability. Technically if this is correct, it would mean that Peter never actually had access to such powers like Telepathy and RCR in the same way that Matt and Claire did, and that every time he used a copied power, the only power he was ever actually using was EM, every time for every borowed power. Now I'm not saying this is correct, but it does raise the question in the light of Arthur's absorbtion- did he absorb 15 abilities from Peter, or just 1, meaning that he, alike Peter, when using these copied powers, was tapping into EM every time. What do people think?--Evil Maldini 08:52, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

  • Mohinder said that Peter's DNA was like a chameleon, changing itself to make room for new abilities. I believe that Peter's original ability allowed him to integrate new abilities to his system, but was still necessary to access it. For example, Peter had empathic mimicry and mimicked telekinesis. From that point on, he had the DNA needed for both abilities, but in order to access telekinesis, he needed empathic mimicry. Think of as expression of a genetic condition. You can have a gene for a determined characteristic, but if the gene isn't expressed, the characteristic doesn't appear. After integrating an ability, EM would function as an on\off switch. When Arthur took it from Peter, he copied all of the abilities stored in the DNA, and used his own ability as an off switch on Peter's EM, meaning Peter could no longer use it as the on switch to his acquired abilities. I think that's what happened based on Matt Jr. using his ability as the on switch on Hiro's ability. I don't know how it would work on Peter, since he took the formula, and that may have done something to the stored abilities, or perhaps changed the lock for an ability key, so to speak. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
    • I think the difference is in the exact usage of EM. I used to think that Peter used his base ability only when making the initial mimic, and after that used the abilities he copied in the same way the original holder would, only Peter had several of course. But if what mc said is true, then Peter doesn't actually have access to Telekinesis at all- only EM, which has re-synched as Suresh was eluding to, to be able to use Telekinetic effects. This could possibly explain why Peter's copied version of an ability is at first and for some time there after less acurate or potent than the original. In this case, Arthur would've absorbed only Peter's loaded EM, as mc suggested, not each ability as an individual, which changes the outlook on things considerably.--Evil Maldini 12:14, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
      • The reason I said about the fact Peter only has one, is that firstly, his ability is empathic mimicry, ie he mimics the ability, not has, and secondly the writers have said and it has been said on here multiple times, people can only have one ability. --mc_hammark 15:42, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
        • In that sense, it would be one jack-of-all-trades ability which can emulate the effects of other abilities, while not necessarily integrating them into the user. It's just a copy. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:50, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
          • And if that is the case, then we should list it on Arthur's page, but remove all the others singularily.--Evil Maldini 16:44, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
            • This seems to be confirmed since HRG said Sylar was the only one with multiple powers, but Claude recognized that Peter was "one of those -- an empath".--BOYCOOL -- THE END IS NIGH. 10:36, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
              • I find this discussion very interesting. It kinda bothered when Arthur stole Peter's ability and he acquired all the ones Peter's mimiced, but after reading this and re-watching the chapter in the first volume where Suresh talks about EM it makes more sense. It also makes for the mixing of abilities to be more plausible it Peter's case; for example body insertion could be a mixture of telepathy, phasing... like that discussion indicates, though I am not implying it actually is. --Inblackestnight 15:54, 4 June 2010

I've always thought of Empathic Mimicry as a Lock on a Door. Peters Empathic Mimicry is the Key and then there's a Door with a Lock blocking the power. He has to use EM to use what's inside the door. Alessia1111 13:28, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

I dont think Peter absorbs abilities. Heres how i see it. Peter is near another evolved human. His ability resequences Peter's DNA to match theirs, granting Peter access to their abiities. He doesnt absorb, he mimics. And when he is not in their presence he uses empathy to recreate that DNA resequencing that grants him access to someone's powers. I remember reading somewhere on the Peter page that when he meets his future self he is only exposed to Empathic Mimicry, meaning peter doesnt actually HAVE the mimicked powers, unlike Sylar, but has to reproduce the resequencing to use them. The reason this ability is so powerful is because Empathic mimicry allows Peter's body to remember all previously mimicked abilities, and all he has to do is recall them. User:peterpetrelli15 17:38, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

Another point i was always curious about. Peter's scar. Which leads to Claire's regenerative powers. Ok, so Peter mimics regeneration and heals in Homecoming. He then recalls the ability in distractions. my question is, since rapid cell regeneration is a passive power does Peter have it constantly active once he recalls it? I mean Sylar's ability of Intuitive Aptitude is generally considered passive and Peter seemed to have it constantly active as he was pressed by the hunger, or he seemed under its influence. It has been established that without the ability Sylar isn't affected by the hunger and he only had the hunger in the second season because he still had his ability, he just couldn't access it. Where as when he didnt have the power thanks to the eclipse he didnt have the hunger. So was Peter constantly accessing an ability that long, as IA helps him understand and control powers better. Or was he screwed because it was now constantly active and he couldn't turn it off? I wish they were more clearer on this. Thoughts? User:peterpetrelli15 19:40, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

Rene

Did Rene help to develop Peter's ability or could he find another way to develop it? In ability development it said,After Rene erases his mind that he recall his abilities without remember the person who he aquired it off.--50000JH 10:55, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

  • In a sense, yes, he was the pebble that started the rockslide, though one could argue that had Thompson not recruited him, he wouldn't be there etc. etc. which is a large debate in itself (much like the chicken and the egg). I think the memory erasure only helped him to develop it faster, not the direct cause of it. --mc_hammark 11:04, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

Doesn't Sylar have this power too?

Isn't it obvious that Sylar has this power too? He was able to use this power to absorb electricity from Elle. He was born with the same power as Peter, then he absorbed his father's intuitive aptitude. His original power wasn't telekinesis, and it wasn't intuitive aptitude, it was empathic mimicry. It's beautiful really, how he was an innocent kid with the same power as the good guy, and then his father corrupted him. 03:15, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

  • No. Sylar has a similar ability, but not the same ability. See here for a previous discussion on the matter. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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