Talk:Rebel

Redirect

Should Libertad redirect to the graphic novel page? Then this page should probably be renamed "Libertad (character)". Any thoughts? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2009 (EST)

• why are we calling them libertad when they signed their text "Rebel" and on of the upcomming episode descriptions calls the character "Rebel" --Action Figure 21:13, 10 February 2009 (EST)
  • Great point, I hadn't thought of that. Libertad really should redirect to Graphic Novel:Libertad, and this page should be moved to Rebel. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • But as I noted at Graphic Novel talk:Libertad, the character is not actually signing the text "Rebel", but asking everyone he/she texts to rebel. It is speculative to say the character is calling him/herself "rebel", but it is not speculative that the introduction says the character is called "Libertad" (I already had fixed the Libertad graphic novel links to avoid the standard graphic novel links pointing to the character).--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • I think Ryan needs to get an interview with Rebel to clear all this up. He had good luck with Evs Droppr, so it shouldn't be too hard for him. --Piemanmoo 23:02, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • HA! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:28, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • I'm not so sure about the Rebel part. I took it that the person was using his name as a verb, taking advantage of this connection to make the traffickers believe that he is real. The traffickers refer to the character as "Rebel", and when the "Rebel & be saved" message pops up, they are convinced that Rebel is someone helping them. Also, if you look at this spoiler page, you'll see that the mysterious ally is named Rebel. --Radicell 06:57, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • They say "Rebel told me...", "Rebel sends you..." --Juba 07:19, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • Right. The characters in the story are assuming Rebel is his name, but it's actually a message that Libertad is sending. Libertad says in the novel, "I'm sending everyone a message, rebel". Then Libertad goes on to say "They take from it what they want".--MiamiVolts (talk) 10:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)
            • So Libertad is just a messenger?--Alen76 13:36, 12 February 2009 (EST)
              • Yeah, kind of like Evs Dropper was; but, instead of warning about the Company, Libertad warns about Danko's team. He/she seems to like making references to South American culture too.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2009 (EST)
                • I still think that "Libertad" is the idea in our head about "Freedom", and "---Rebel" is clearly the signature of the SMS! --Juba 04:01, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Who is Rebel?

I have a good feeling Peter is Rebel, because at the end of Trust and Blood he is seen with a phone and says 'if we can find each other so can they.' He will also have Claire's number and seems a likely candidate.

Rename article "Rebel"

I really think this needs to be renamed, agreeing with Juba. We've pretty much used the name Rebel everywhere else on the site, and the text messages that Claire gets are all signed Rebel, not ended with a verb telling Claire to rebel. I've added a rename tag. --Radicell 03:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Agreed. Two episodes (with multiple text messages signed as "rebel") seem to outweigh one graphic novel in my eyes. -Thunderforge 11:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Yeah, Rebel would be better.--Alen76 12:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)

On top of that the Indian woman from episode Building 26 said a fax came in for Hiro and Ando from Rebel.--OutbackZack 13:19, 17 February 2009 (EST)

The graphic novel says the character is named Libertad, but in the episode everyone refers to Rebel. It's debatable as to whether it actually is the name he/she desires and whether it is actually a signature, but it's the most common usage now so that's what we should use according to past experience. I think it's okay to change it. Where the Libertad name comes from and where it is noted should probably be in the notes section, since the graphic novel is very explicit about the name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)

So, I think that's kinda settled. What do moderators think? Will you change the name?--Alen76 15:40, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I don't mind it being now, since technically there is consensus. However, some people get upset when people switch so fast without allowing more input, so it's probably a good idea to wait at least till tonight for others to comment.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I say change to "Rebel", it's what is used in the show. --Powermimic 22:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)

I think the move was a good idea. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)

First Mentioned

Currently, it says that Rebel is first mentioned in Libertad but shouldn't it be Trust and Blood? Bacon warrior 16:34, 17 February 2009 (EST)

That is true. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Ok, it's been fixed.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)

When?

• I was just wondering when was said character ever refered to Libertad? What ep/novel? --Lolwut 12:30, 18 February 2009 (EST)
  • It's been used twice. The introduction of Graphic Novel:Libertad explicitly says that the character's name is Libertad. Also, there is a painting on the side of a wall in the novel that says "Viva Libertad!". I'm guessing that's something Harmon painted.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)

GN Character

I'll move this page to "Rebel" since there appears to be a consensus. However, why is this guy a GN character? He didn't explicitly "appear" in Libertad, he was mentioned. However, he was also mentioned in episodes, so shouldn't he be similar to Samson Gray, in that he hasn't appeared yet but has been mentioned? Plus the image we're using for him is from the episodes too. --Radicell 05:47, 19 February 2009 (EST)

• I don't think he should be considered a graphic novel character. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)