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Redirect

Should Libertad redirect to the graphic novel page? Then this page should probably be renamed "Libertad (character)". Any thoughts? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2009 (EST)

  • why are we calling them libertad when they signed their text "Rebel" and on of the upcomming episode descriptions calls the character "Rebel" --Action Figure 21:13, 10 February 2009 (EST)
    • Great point, I hadn't thought of that. Libertad really should redirect to Graphic Novel:Libertad, and this page should be moved to Rebel. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2009 (EST)
      • But as I noted at Graphic Novel talk:Libertad, the character is not actually signing the text "Rebel", but asking everyone he/she texts to rebel. It is speculative to say the character is calling him/herself "rebel", but it is not speculative that the introduction says the character is called "Libertad" (I already had fixed the Libertad graphic novel links to avoid the standard graphic novel links pointing to the character).--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • I think Ryan needs to get an interview with Rebel to clear all this up. He had good luck with Evs Droppr, so it shouldn't be too hard for him. --Piemanmoo 23:02, 10 February 2009 (EST)
        • I'm not so sure about the Rebel part. I took it that the person was using his name as a verb, taking advantage of this connection to make the traffickers believe that he is real. The traffickers refer to the character as "Rebel", and when the "Rebel & be saved" message pops up, they are convinced that Rebel is someone helping them. Also, if you look at this spoiler page, you'll see that the mysterious ally is named Rebel. --Radicell 06:57, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • They say "Rebel told me...", "Rebel sends you..." --Juba 07:19, 11 February 2009 (EST)
            • Right. The characters in the story are assuming Rebel is his name, but it's actually a message that Libertad is sending. Libertad says in the novel, "I'm sending everyone a message, rebel". Then Libertad goes on to say "They take from it what they want".--MiamiVolts (talk) 10:09, 11 February 2009 (EST)
              • So Libertad is just a messenger?--Alen76 13:36, 12 February 2009 (EST)
                • Yeah, kind of like Evs Dropper was; but, instead of warning about the Company, Libertad warns about Danko's team. He/she seems to like making references to South American culture too.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2009 (EST)
                  • I still think that "Libertad" is the idea in our head about "Freedom", and "---Rebel" is clearly the signature of the SMS! --Juba 04:01, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Rename article "Rebel"

I really think this needs to be renamed, agreeing with Juba. We've pretty much used the name Rebel everywhere else on the site, and the text messages that Claire gets are all signed Rebel, not ended with a verb telling Claire to rebel. I've added a rename tag. --Radicell 03:54, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Agreed. Two episodes (with multiple text messages signed as "rebel") seem to outweigh one graphic novel in my eyes. -Thunderforge 11:11, 17 February 2009 (EST)
Yeah, Rebel would be better.--Alen76 12:25, 17 February 2009 (EST)
On top of that the Indian woman from episode Building 26 said a fax came in for Hiro and Ando from Rebel.--OutbackZack 13:19, 17 February 2009 (EST)
The graphic novel says the character is named Libertad, but in the episode everyone refers to Rebel. It's debatable as to whether it actually is the name he/she desires and whether it is actually a signature, but it's the most common usage now so that's what we should use according to past experience. I think it's okay to change it. Where the Libertad name comes from and where it is noted should probably be in the notes section, since the graphic novel is very explicit about the name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2009 (EST)
So, I think that's kinda settled. What do moderators think? Will you change the name?--Alen76 15:40, 17 February 2009 (EST)
I don't mind it being now, since technically there is consensus. However, some people get upset when people switch so fast without allowing more input, so it's probably a good idea to wait at least till tonight for others to comment.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:45, 17 February 2009 (EST)
I say change to "Rebel", it's what is used in the show. --Powermimic 22:17, 17 February 2009 (EST)
I think the move was a good idea. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)

First Mentioned

Currently, it says that Rebel is first mentioned in Libertad but shouldn't it be Trust and Blood? Bacon warrior 16:34, 17 February 2009 (EST)

That is true. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:18, 17 February 2009 (EST)
Ok, it's been fixed.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:24, 17 February 2009 (EST)

When?

  • I was just wondering when was said character ever refered to Libertad? What ep/novel? --Lolwut 12:30, 18 February 2009 (EST)
    • It's been used twice. The introduction of Graphic Novel:Libertad explicitly says that the character's name is Libertad. Also, there is a painting on the side of a wall in the novel that says "Viva Libertad!". I'm guessing that's something Harmon painted.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:21, 18 February 2009 (EST)

GN Character

I'll move this page to "Rebel" since there appears to be a consensus. However, why is this guy a GN character? He didn't explicitly "appear" in Libertad, he was mentioned. However, he was also mentioned in episodes, so shouldn't he be similar to Samson Gray, in that he hasn't appeared yet but has been mentioned? Plus the image we're using for him is from the episodes too. --Radicell 05:47, 19 February 2009 (EST)

  • I don't think he should be considered a graphic novel character. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:02, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Who is Rebel?

I have a good feeling Peter is Rebel, because at the end of Trust and Blood he is seen with a phone and says 'if we can find each other so can they.' He will also have Claire's number and seems a likely candidate. --Kay23 12:20, 22 February 2009

Talk 12:27, 22 February 2009 (EST)

    • Yeah, it could be Hana. It could even be Micah. But maybe it's a new character. Can't wait to find out!--Alen (talk) 12:59, 22 February 2009 (EST)
      • It could also be Richard Drucker, because he has Electronic communication, he could have perfectly survived being deleted. I think it's more likely that Rebel is Drucker than Hana, because in Hana's blog we can read the secret message "HG gone".--brunoar 01:27, 23 February 2009 (EST)
        • I think it could be Hana too as she could have only been deleted on one computer, but as she is "in the atmosphere" this means that she can see everybody and help too Fred1793 14:31, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
          • Just realised, Hana and Richard were deleted in 2008 in the heroes universe it is 2007. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 18:37, 17 March 2009 (GMT)

            • I used Hana as an example of a person with the ability, I think it is more likely that it is someone new, but I will keep my fingers crossed for Hana as I though she was a great character. :) --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 11:05, 23 February 2009 (EST)

              • I personally think it is the long awaited SparrowMeesa yoda 19:43, 23 February 2009 (EST)
  • I'm starting to think whoever it is its connected to Angela and Noah. They're up to something and it may be bringing down this new program.
  • I definitely think it is Micah... both his parents are gone now, he may have been hunted already, realized what was going on, and is accessing the files/images/surveillance from Building 26 via his technopathy. THe text messages come thru very fast (close together) when Claire gets them, like the person who is sending them doesn't have to type. Also, in last week's BTE interview, they confirmed we would be seeing Micah again in this volume.--JessicaHeartsMatt 14:51, 24 February 2009 (EST)
  • I was thinking Rebel might be HRG. He knows that Claire is not going to stay out of the action, so maybe he has decided to try and guide her to let her participate but to protect her at the same time. Jebriggs98 07:45, 25 February 2009 (EST)
    • That might make sense on one level, but I would be disappointed if that were the case. That means he would be working against himself. That means he sent Claire to save the Alex, whom he was going to collect. Hmm, I'd have to see some more development before I bought into that theory. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:36, 25 February 2009 (EST)
  • I think Rebel might be Micah. Some of the things he did in Exposed make sense mostly if a technopath did them and Micah has developed the ability to control electronics from a distance.--WarGrowlmon18 12:27, 3 March 2009 (EST)
    • I don't know who rebel is but I like the theory that he has the power to bring people back to like as he uses dead people to reveal his messages (Eric Doyle, Simon Boliver). Also, Bryan Fuller will bring himself back with a bang. --IronyUTC CH 13:13, 4 March 2009 (EST)
      • Eric was never shown to die, just be knocked out at least. He probably survived and got out before the building went up.--WarGrowlmon18 13:49, 4 March 2009 (EST)
        • Yeah, and bringing dead people back isn't something the writers would do, imagine how much fans would b**** wanting them to bring any dead character they liked such as Adam or Isaac. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:22, 4 March 2009 (EST)
          • Oh, I know, it would get to Pushng Daisies, but its good to see how people think. Anyway, I'm glad Eric back, he's the best.--IronyUTC CH 02:22, 5 March 2009 (EST)
  • Rebel can be more then one person. Perhaps Molly_Walker and Micah teamed up. Molly is keeping track of everybody in her head, that how rebel knows were everybody is. And Micah is in charge of all the messages. And again, there maybe others involved in the operation. Maybe Santiago is helping figuring out the best path to take for all of our heros... who knows.--WOlf 11:30, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Rebel = Libertad?

I'm just curious, how do we know that Rebel is the same as Libertad from the graphics novel? Isn't this a bit speculative, or is there confirmation somewhere? AllUltima 13:50, 22 February 2009 (EST)

  • The introduction to Graphic Novel:Libertad states that Libertad is the mysterious "friend" that sent Claire the "call to arms". Also, in the narration, that person says that he sends everyone a message, REBEL, and they take from it what they choose (he/she includes the word REBEL at the end of most messages and they assume it's a signature).--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Theory

this is micah because he has that computer power thingymabob IceGhost78 oh wait nvm i dont read the graphic novels anymore i should start IceGhost78

  • Well personally I think its either Micah and Molly or Rachel, I would prefer the first but the latter is more likely as she was seen to have been stuck working for Angela in the last webisode for her.
  • I'm not sure, but i got like an e-mail from rebel, kinda part of iStory, and the sender's e-mail address is rebel@samantha48616e61.com.- ExiledPrince
    • I don't think it would be Rachel, why would she send herself things? --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 05:19, 7 March 2009 (EST)

  • Wait so you got an email from that address? That's Hana's name/website whatever, she even uses it to talk to Micah. More ammo for the "Hana is Rebel" theory I guess.
    • It only shows Rebel is using her server, Evs Dropper also used things from Hana after she was deleted, and it wasn't Hana. Also, she's been deleted. Not ammo for Hana is Rebel. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:14, 7 March 2009 (EST)
      • More ammo for Micah as Rebel though. They kept in touch, after all. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 13:13, 7 March 2009 (EST)
        • What I'm thinking is that Rebel is a group of people, just like Evs Dropper. It could be two individuals, at the very least, with one of them at least being a person with powers. They're most likely someone who worked either with Pinehearst or the Company in order to explain the hows and whys of them having an extensive knowledge in hacking and locating supers. Through that they also might have known of Molly and Micah's abilities, and thus recruited them to their aid. They'd have Molly functioning as their tracker system while Micah would do all of Rebel's little tricks such as hacking into the government's mainframe or showing messages on screen, or they might have individuals with similiar powers. I think this is likely because in order for Molly to use her ability she needs at least some knowledge, like the last name of the person they're tracking, in order for Rebel to send those messages. Then again, maybe she got a hold or copy of Mohinder's list? *thinks* So many things are possible. I just want to see Micah and Molly one more time, and Monica too. I'm sure other fans do as well...:C -- Bonchilla 09:11, 11 March 2009 (EST)

What the heck?

I have a problem with the main page for "Rebel". It lists his/her power as "Unknown", when other known evolved humans with powers (especially those from Chandra's List) have theirs listed as "None". An example is "Sparrow Redhouse", who is on Chandra's list but whose ability isn't listed. We need to be consistent, and the title of the item is "Known Ability", which is probably the precedent for setting the people's abilities as "None" even when it is DEFINITE that they have abilities. Reverse this edit if you want, but I'm listing Rebel's power as "none". I'm probably forgetting something, but I'm not even sure he/she HAS abilities. Where's the proof?--Uncanny474 16:45, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Well, somebody fixed it. Thanks for giving me a heart attack--Uncanny474 16:45, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Male?

How do we know that Rebel is a he? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 17:11, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

  • It is from the fact in the last episode and graphic novel Rebel was referred to as male. I personally would prefer to leave the gender blank till we have conclusive proof, but that's my opinion :) --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 21:18, 16 March 2009 (GMT)

    • I agree; since the reference is likely a generic "he", I think we should wait.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:40, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Merger?

Why, after it's been revealed that Micah is Rebel, are the articles still separated? Usually I'd just chalk it up as "They haven't gotten to it yet," but details from Cold Snap (including Rebel's identity) have been added. Is there something I'm missing, or should the articles be merged? Novideus

...They have been merged? -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:25, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
...They totally were not when I was typing this. >.> My bad :P Novideus
  • I don't think we should redirect "Rebel" to Micah but instead leave those two pages apart. They are two different sides of Micah, much like Niki/Jessica, who I believe were left apart. Instead, I propose that "Rebel" gets updated as being Micah and that Micah's page gets a link to "Rebel".--Ikkian 22:41, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
    • ...How on earth is the relationship between Micah and Rebel the same as Niki and Jessica? They're the exact same character. Niki and Jessica were not. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:42, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Actually, Jessica was a spilt personality of Niki that came into play by herself while Rebel is a second life of Micah. It's very similar in nature, even though one is from a psychological disease and the other one is a voluntary hidden life. They should really be left apart, with each mentioning the other one.--Ikkian 22:45, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
        • Split personalities have two different sets of thoughts, feelings, etcetera, as if they were two different people. Micah/Rebel are one person with one set of thoughts, feelings, etcetera, simply with two different names. EDIT: Forgot to sign, silly me. I'm new to this, but nearly ever wiki I've come across has said to sign talk pages. So just for the sake of not breaking any potential rules or adding to confusion... Novideus
          • Couldn't have put it better. I really don't think we should separate the two articles. We didn't do it for Betty and Candice when Betty's identity was revealed... -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:50, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
  • As we've done with other characters who have alternate names (see Linderman=Austin, or Betty=Candice, for example), the two pages have been merged. They are the same character. Rebel's history is Micah's history. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
    • But those characters that have been mentioned didn't live a double life. The additional stuff we learnt only gave more info on those characters that we already knew about. While I do agree that Micah and Rebel are the same person (obviously), I also think that they should both coexist because of their distinctive and different ways of "living" (for lack of a better term). Rebel is simply Micah's double identity and should get it's own page to avoid confusion. Both pahe should, however, precisely mention the existence of the other one. (I'm sorry if this is hard to understand, I'm actually French and sometimes have trouble expressing my thoughts in English).--Ikkian 22:57, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
      • This is the same situation as Nathan's assassin, where we moved the article when we found out who it was. I don't think there will be any confusion as long as the redirect is left in place.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:08, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
        • Yeah, I'm not sure who is confused. Micah is Rebel, and Rebel is Micah. I think it's more confusing to have two different pages. In fact, this discussion thread started out with confusion over why the pages weren't merged. If Rebel were more than one person (like Evs Dropper) or were a name used by multiple people (like Takezo Kensei), then there would be good reason to leave Rebel as its own page. But since the two people are the same (who said anything about a double life--Micah is just doing what he always does: using his power to help others, only with a secret name so he doesn't get caught) they should be merged. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:14, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
          • Rebel didn't only get mentioned in one episode or two like Nathan's assassin was. Rebel was mentioned in almost all of Volume 4 up to today, quite a few Graphic Novels AND a few iStories too. Rebel is a major plot point and should be kept apart. Rebel still IS a secret life of Micah, because otherwise he'd have used his real name. Rebel was the safe way to keep him in the shadows, much like Spiderman's name is a way for Peter Parker to stay hidden. But I am failing to explain my point properly, so go ahead and merge them...--Ikkian 23:19, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

Alex

  • In the GN featuring Alex, West and Noah, West and Alex say that they lost Sparrow. Could that be enough to confirm Alex as a member of "Rebel"?--Ikkian 13:41, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Abigail being rescued and then joining up with Rebel seems to give a precedent for Alex. But it is possible West and Sparrow were simply attempting to help Alex escape capture (as West says to Noah in Scenic Route), in which case he is not a Rebel member. We can't say either way yet. Swm 09:58, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Question

Why West? I could understand he could take flight, but why would he be apart of this new Rebel alliance? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 00:33, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Because he wants to help people like him, like Claire?--Ikkian 12:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
  • and he is badass --Skyeatsout 16:09, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
  • West has a history of being antagonistic towards people like Danko's team because of what happened with him and the Company. It seems highly likely helping other people evade much the same, if not a worse fate would fit well with him. Besides, he may view Danko's team as the "robots", and REBEL as the "aliens" doing their own thing by resisting him. He also clearly has a useful ability.Swm 09:55, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Add Rachel Mills?

She's been shown doing exactly what West/Sparrow/Micah do, in rescuing Eric Doyle from his burning theatre and later breaking out Gordon and Eric (again) in the Agent. We also know Rebel (as Micah), "turned" her into something of a double agent. Should she be added as an official member of Rebel, albeit one recruited at a later date?Swm 10:04, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

  • No. She is no more an "official" member of Rebel than Adam Monroe is an official Company founder. Helping a group does not automatically make one a member. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
    • How exactly are we defining an official member? Swm 13:02, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
      • So far, there have been only 4 official members named: Micah, named originally in (Cold Snap) and earlier this week three more, Abigail, Sparrow, and West named in (Graphic Novel:Rebellion, Part 3). --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/22/2009 13:08 (EST)
        • Quite true. However, it seems to me that the only difference between what Rachel did and what Sparrow (for example) does is that Sparrow's specifically stated as being in Rebel and Rachel isn't. Do we really need such a direct affirmation? Surely at least she deserves a note, much like Claude has? Swm 13:02, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Can I point out that Claire has helped Rebel just as much as Rachel? So if we add Rachel, we add Claire, and subsequently every person revealed to have been affiliated. I say leave her off, notes or otherwise. --Laudo 14:59, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Maybe add her name as a part of Rebel's allies? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 15:06, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
  • I would certainly add Claire as well Laudo. As you say, she's done as much as Rachel. What's wrong with adding everyone who's a part of Micah's "organisation"? It would turn this page into the database for anything and everything Rebel-related, and all you'd need is a list of "known allies". I'm not seeing a big problem here.Swm 06:06, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
    • We should just add a "related articles" page; have the known members at the top, then those who have aided Rebel, and a section for those whose have been helped through Rebel's efforts. --Skullman1392 02:34, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

Gloves

Why do they all wear gloves? Is that some kind of uniform or what? Mateussf 22:01, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

  • xD dunno, but they might wanna leave no fingerprints. -- Altes 03:49, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
  • I wouldn't rule out uniform. Rebel is the closest thing to a superhero team the Heroes universe has ever had. They're always all dressed in black, and, as you say, with gloved hands. --Laudo 00:42, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Monica

Can we consider Monica as a member of Rebel? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • I think so. She seems like she is going to be helping them. Unless she is just an ally.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 12:57, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
    • She was helping Micah before she was captured and Rebel was actually formed... But this doesn't count, right? Green.gif AltesUTC CH