Talk:Candice Willmer

Appeared in Company Man

She was the nurse that was caring over Parkman at the end of the episode....and later was shown again in next week's preview. Right? HiroDynoSlayer - 18:14pm 2-26-07

• She was listed in the credits, so yes, I believe so. --Fcphantom 23:41, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Power

So...do we know what her power is? (Heroe) 22:26, 16 February 2007 (EST)

• The spoiler for Missy Peregrym said she was a "temptress" (some kind of pheromones, maybe, but that seems awful Eden-esque), but then again, it called the character "Faith" so who knows how accurate it was?--Hardvice (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2007 (EST)
  • Just as a heads up, we're going to have to come up with a better name for her power. "Temptress" is a person, not a power. I'm sure we'll understand more when the ep airs, but I'm thinking "temptation" will be her power. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:41, 21 February 2007 (EST)
    • Her power could be anything, really. She could be a temptress who can channel the spirits of the Marx Brothers for all we know. I think we're reading too much into the word "temptress".--Hardvice (talk) 21:58, 21 February 2007 (EST)
      • Right, totally agree. I'm just mentioning it because over at evolved humans, she's commented out, and her power is listed as "temptress". I just want to make sure we don't start calling her power "temptress". Ugh. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:41, 22 February 2007 (EST)
        • I read somewhere it's more than likely shape-shifting of some sort, but we'll have to wait and see (look for her to do a nice Simone impression).--Baldbobbo 00:41, 27 February 2007 (EST)
          • How do you guys know what her power is like? Did NBC send out a spoiler?
            • See Spoiler:Candace and Spoiler:Parasite#Published Spoilers. (I guess it was revealed in the The Ausiello Report?) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:50, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Next Question

Should we assume the character is actually called "Candace Willmer", since she has appeared that way on the list three times already? I mean, the NBC blurb also called "Eric Roberts" "Eric Robert" and thought "Aron Malsky" was the actor's name. (Insert regular caveat about NBC confusing DL with the Haitian and periodically spelling Niki with two k's here.)--Hardvice (talk) 22:32, 16 February 2007 (EST)

If the only reference to "Candice" is a single NBC blurb then I'd go with Candace for now unless we see "Candice" show up more frequently. If we find that they changed their mind and actually changed her name to Candice we can always fix it. Though the more reliable sources have repeatedly shown Candace, so I'd put more trust in them. (Admin 22:42, 16 February 2007 (EST))

So far it's the NBC blurb and TVGuide, but since TVGuide is just going with what the NBC blurb says...let's move her.--Hardvice (talk) 22:46, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Ok. It may go without saying, but I'd leave the redirects for Candice in place for now at least until we know for sure what her name ends up being. (Admin 22:49, 16 February 2007 (EST))

I have a feeling when it comes down to it, they'll go with what's on the list. They pay pretty close attention to it -- I mean, they made a printout with names from the list. Hopefully the people that "matter" will throw us a bone and keep some continuity. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:25, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Spoiler Info up so early?

Since this is the character page, why is the spoiler information up? I left most of it as a comment in other pages since that episode doesn't air until 5 Mar. Normally the character pages reflect what has actually aired.--Baldbobbo 14:02, 24 February 2007 (EST)

• If the character hasn't appeared yet at all then typically the character page gets created with the spoiler information, but the character doesn't get linked to from non-spoiler pages. That way people interested in spoilers can still find out beforehand, but people who avoid spoilers don't get exposed to it. (Admin 14:11, 24 February 2007 (EST))
• Actually, I just checked and the page is currently linked to from the list, so you're right it shouldn't have spoiler information in the main article. (Admin 14:14, 24 February 2007 (EST))
  • I just delinked Candace from the list for now, so we're ok and can continue to add spoilers to her article until she airs. This is like how Claude's article was entirely made up of spoilers until he aired. (Admin 14:18, 24 February 2007 (EST))
    • Cool beans.--Baldbobbo 14:26, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Redirect

I notice there's no redirect from "Candace" to "Candace Willmer" How do you make one? Heroe 12:29, 3 March 2007 (EST)

• Edit Candace. For content just place #REDIRECT [[Candace Willmer]]. (Admin 12:31, 3 March 2007 (EST))

Thanks. Heroe 12:38, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Whoever put "Dynamic Camo"

• This isn't that. Dynamic Camo is the ability to blend in with your surroundings unseen... aka Invisibility.--Riddler 22:43, 5 March 2007 (EST)
  • I suppose it's possible that it's considered dynamic camo, but I agree Invisibility would be more likely. In any event one of the best reasons to not call it dynamic camo is that we've gotten that term from Chandra's files I believe so we need to wait until they actually explicitly identify someone's power as dynamic camo before we can call it that. (Admin 22:55, 5 March 2007 (EST))
  • Define: Dynamic - Refers to actions that take place at the moment they are needed rather than in advance. Almost all of the abilities are dynamic, I know, but Candace's power appears to take a little concentration, like Hiros. Claude's invisibility is dynamic (camo). Nathan's flight - Dynamic (Flight).--Riddler 22:58, 5 March 2007 (EST)
    • Also, I didn't mean to sound snappy there. :P --Riddler 22:59, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Spelling

Although NBC.com likes to call her "Candice", the name is spelled "Candace"on the list, which is the only canon source to date for the spelling.--Hardvice (talk) 14:11, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Faith

What ever happened to her being called Faith? NBC sucks with their promo tags for episodes.--Baldbobbo 01:03, 9 March 2007 (EST)

• As far as I know, Faith was only ever in fan-published spoilers. Not that NBC doesn't suck sometimes, but this time, the first official mention of her was as Candace. Or Candice, at least. I guess they do suck after all.--Hardvice (talk) 02:09, 9 March 2007 (EST)

I'm so glad that....

No has tried to change this page to "shapeshifting" Heroe(talk)

• Why, is Candace Willmer's nickname "shapeshifting"? :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:25, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Real Appearance

Wouldn't it be funny if Sylar caught Candace, and she reverted to her normal form to be played by Rosie O'Donnell? --AverageMan 10:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

• 'cause if I was dumpy in real life and I could shape-shift, I'd appear to look pretty darn good. --AverageMan 19:24, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Changing the Effect?

Any thoughts on why they changed the visual effect used when Candace uses her power? Did they think it was too confusing, or do they want to show her more as a shapeshifter and less an illusionist? I guess that falls in line better with the original description of a character wielding a tremendous amount of sex appeal. Nevertheless, it was kind of jolting. It's not like they even tried to make it look the same as in Parasite. --ZyberGoat 00:06, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

• They've done similar things with some of the other powers (precognition and invisibility come to mind). I think it's a creative challenge to not repeat yourself. It also keeps the story moving ("We've already paraded the power the first time it was used, now we're just referencing it to make sure you remember.") And then there's the issue of different directors with different visions. Plus, it certainly helps keep the budget down. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:14, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Is the Illusion only visual?

Does her illusion only fool the eyes, or can it fool other senses too? If not, surely HRG would have noticed the difference in hairstyle and clothing while hugging 'Claire' in .07% --Havoc 04:12, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

• In .07%, Candace didn't seem to go "full force" with her power--she really only changed her appearance. In Parasite, she exerted a lot more control over her surroundings. She was able to somehow hide Simone's body and change a few other details in the room. That's why her power is not called "shape-shifting" but "illusion". — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:45, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Just to be clear, I meant that if her power of illusion cannot fool the sense of touch, then HRG would have noticed a clear difference between what he was seeing (i.e. Claire's hair) and what he was feeling (Candace's hair). So is this what tipped him off that it wasn't really Claire? Or was it something else?--Havoc 07:22, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
    • In the commentary, we learn that the original script had the following complete line of HRG to fake Claire: You're not you...you smell like a stripper. The writers removed the extra excerpt before it got filmed, and Jack and Hayden (HRG and Claire) argued futilely for them to reshoot it. So she either can't modify smell or she didn't know what Claire smelled like.--MiamiVolts 09:28, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
      • More likely she didn't know her smell. She had met Sandra before making her illusion, so that's probably why she pulled Sandra off so well for Bennet to mistake his own wife.--Bob 10:28, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
        • Bennet even kissed Candace when she was Sandra, and it still fooled him. I think "Claire" came in the cell, there was no tipoff, other than a really bad lie. Bennet's a smart guy and he knows the resources the Company has, and is aware of "what your girl Candace can do." I'm sure he was thinking "Why is Claire here? That makes no sense? (And why is she wearing a cheerleading outfit?)" I believe it was just a case of Bennet using good logic, not a limitation in Candace's power. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:28, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
          • I agree. I think it was a case of "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." He knew better than to fall for Candace's tricks again. --Ted C 11:35, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
• Hey, would a camera see Candace's real form, or her illusion? Heroe!(talk) 15:17, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
  • We don't really know yet. If her power affects other people's minds (like The Shadow), then a camera would see Candace's real form. If it actually creates a holographic image, then the camera might be fooled too.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
    • At first I was going to say this might have implications for observers that Candace isn't aware of. It just occurred to me though that Future Sylar was using Candace's powers to impersonate Nathan in Five Years Gone and showed as Nathan while on all the TV broadcasts to the nation (although I suppose it's still possible that Future Sylar could have been mass-affecting the entire world?). Guess we'll see.. --Glue 16:25, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Note that Candace mimicked Simone's voice long after she was dead, and Future Sylar mimicked Nathan's. I think, like Hana's wireless data transception, all this might be attempting to delve too far into "how it works" again. --Glue 16:29, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

On others' pages

I think that when Candace imitates someone it should be on their pages as well, so that it is the same perspective as when watched on TV. It may have to be worded different, like: Jessica appears to... ...but is revealed to be Candace. The same for Sylar when he has her power. -Lөvөl 15:47, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

• At first thought, I would tend to agree, but the character history section is a history for that specific individual. If Candace is aping Niki, then her actions aren't really a part of Niki's history. The whole reason the character histories are written confined to the character's perspective is that it thus limits their content to the character's own appearances and actions.--Hardvice (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Move to Candice?

• We should probably discuss this, since her name has appeared as "Candice" on-screen, but we have the situation where we have two conflicting canon sources. Technically, neither spelling is confirmed, and I think the way we have it set up is sufficient (we note both spellings and the other redirects here, which is what we did with, say, Hana Gittelman), but is there a strong preference for moving this?--Hardvice (talk) 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Displayed as prominently as it was, I think it's probably time to make the switch. --Ted C 07:25, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, I agree it should get moved. It's listed in the opening credits as "Candice". If only they had also listed her last name too.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:21, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Wait, when was it spelled "Candice?" I didn't see that. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) ^{Random Page!} 19:09, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Opening credits of episode 21.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:10, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I just checked the episode and I see it, too. When they cut to the first scene with Candice and Micah it prints their names. I would change it to Candice and redirect Candace. As prominent as the on-screen info was if it were a typo I think they'd have seen it. They either changed their mind as to the spelling later on in the series, made a mistake on the original list spelling, or perhaps the Human Genome Project has her name misspelled. :) (Admin 19:23, 8 May 2007 (EDT))
    • It might just be a mistake. Let's wait to see if it happens again. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) ^{Random Page!} 19:25, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I believe that virtually every written reference to it except for The List has spelled it Candice, so if there's a mistake it's probably with The List. We dismissed NBC's spelling because they don't have the best record when it comes to details, but now we have strong corroborating evidence. (Admin 19:28, 8 May 2007 (EDT))
        • I think moving the page to Candice is a good idea. NBC spelled her last name Wilmer, but the list says Willmer. I'm torn as to which spelling it should be for the last name--we've never seen Candice Willmer, but the list is a better source than NBC (or is it?). I'm tending to think "Candice Willmer" is the better choice. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:54, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Fat and Old?

I don't remember her comments suggesting she is fat or old, they may have suggested that she may not be as attractive as she makes herself appear, but fat and old? Did I miss something? -Lөvөl 15:13, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

• In the Company's facility, Micah commented to Candice, "I have a cousin that eats like you. He's huge." And Candice replied, "So am I." Then later on, when Micah and Candice are at the polling station, there's an exchange where Candice replies that she might really look like Ms. Baker, and that Micah wouldn't know. It could be, though, that Candice is just teasing Micah both times, but I think that's what people have been discussing.--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:08, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
  • She also, when talking about how peoples judge your appearance, looks kind of sad... As if she already lived this experience before.. Something with her voice and eyes made me think this.. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        04:16, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Fat, yes--but I'm not sure that it really implies being old. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Ok, did any of you think that she's maybe just being a normal girl who thinks they are fat and ugly compared to other people, when clearly they're not?--The Empath 19:33, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

• We have new stuff about that question, according to the season finale, when Niki/Jessice knock her out, she fall on the floor and then, fake micah disapear. What is interesting is that Candice actually stay in the shape we know, I mean, when knocked out, if fake micah disapear, it means that she can't use her power anymore, so, she should be in her true shape. I mean that she is not fat and ugly, she is as we see her in every episode. -- FrenchFlo (talk)        07:37, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
  • What's weird is that the writers more-or-less confirmed she's overweight in the last CBR--and then we didn't actually see it. Odd.--Hardvice (talk) 12:41, 25 May 2007 (EDT)