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***** We've covered it, but we're creating an inconsistency. Instead of going with a higher level of canon, we're naming it based on an extra aspect or byproduct, which is wrong. Whether it's an aspect or byproduct is irrelevant. Peter called it Lightning, and thus it takes the second level of the naming convention. We have to rename this if we want to keep true to our standards. Either way Levitation will be noted. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:52, 7 December 2008 (EST)
***** We've covered it, but we're creating an inconsistency. Instead of going with a higher level of canon, we're naming it based on an extra aspect or byproduct, which is wrong. Whether it's an aspect or byproduct is irrelevant. Peter called it Lightning, and thus it takes the second level of the naming convention. We have to rename this if we want to keep true to our standards. Either way Levitation will be noted. --[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 22:52, 7 December 2008 (EST)
****** Actually, it's not an inconsistency. We get to take into account what we saw in the graphic novel, not just what we read, and seeing him levitate is also at the second level of the naming convention. This is a similar situation to the Haitian's ability and Hiro's ability: we know there's two aspects to each ability and we assume they must be part of one core ability, hence we came up with ways to combine them to one name that make sense.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:29, 7 December 2008 (EST)
****** Actually, it's not an inconsistency. We get to take into account what we saw in the graphic novel, not just what we read, and seeing him levitate is also at the second level of the naming convention. This is a similar situation to the Haitian's ability and Hiro's ability: we know there's two aspects to each ability and we assume they must be part of one core ability, hence we came up with ways to combine them to one name that make sense.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:29, 7 December 2008 (EST)
**** Miami...don't worry, I certainly wouldn't move the page on my own. :) I understand it was debated, but it seems a huge inconsistency to me to call this ability electromagnetism. It's entirely speculative (never used once, anywhere, in any kind of source), and Peter specifically calls it lightning. That he didn't use the levitation part of it is, to me, immaterial. I think Peter using it as lightning is enough to assume that's the main ability, and is less speculative than dubbing it electromagnetism, simply because the agent is levitating. We assume that the female agent is able to walk on walls as a side effect of her speed, rather than claiming she has two abilities, so I don't see why we wouldn't do that with the "electric" agent as well. And I certainly don't think that there was another source for the lightning Peter came up with. There were only three agents in the yard, iirc. There was the woman with super speed, the "electric" agent, and the big guy. And we know someone was blocking space-time manipulation, so it's likely it was him; otherwise someone had several powers (which is another possibility for the lightning/levitation thing). Again, we list Sylar's apparent levitaion and healing as side effects of his telekinesis, even though we ''know'' that he has other powers we have yet to see. I agree with Riddler...this page should be merged with [[Lightning]], and a note should be added in the agent's section that it was used to levitate. Or, if we're not sure which power he had (and not willing to connect them), we can list him on both the levitation and lightning pages (though, imo, it was obvious that the lightning was the main ability). Either way, I think electromagnetism is complete speculation, and inconsistent with our naming conventions (as Peter specifically names it). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 23:46, 7 December 2008 (EST)

==Physics==
==Physics==
Taking physics into account, there should be no reason someone with enough control over electricity couldn't levitate with enough electromagnetic propulsion. Heck, Ted made an EMP one time so who knows. In any case, I dont think we should consider the levitation to be an "aspect" of the agent's ability, but rather just a "interesting note" of it.
Taking physics into account, there should be no reason someone with enough control over electricity couldn't levitate with enough electromagnetic propulsion. Heck, Ted made an EMP one time so who knows. In any case, I dont think we should consider the levitation to be an "aspect" of the agent's ability, but rather just a "interesting note" of it.

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities
 Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine electromagnetism's name.
Source/Explanation
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Electric propulsion

  • Electromagnetism is not the only type of electric propulsion. I see no reason not to merge this back with lightning. -Lөvөl 13:54, 29 November 2007 (EST)
    • Wikipedia lists the others as a) electrostatic, b) electrothermal and c) vacuum arc thrusters... a) electrostatic force is the force between subatomic particles... The Agent isn't microscopic, he's not using a stream of particles to levitate, and he's not charging the ground; b) electrothermal is described as using electromagnetic fields to heat a plasma to heat yet another propellant... no plasma or other propellant on the Agent, and this method still uses electromagnetism indirectly' c) vacuum arc thrusters require a vacuum... and the Agent is not in outer space. Electromagnetism is the only rl force known to cause said levitation. Think MagLev trains.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:09, 29 November 2007 (EST)
      • MagLev's use two objects with the same magnetic charge (the track and the train), electricity works the same. Opposites attract and likes repel. Electric repulsion can and does happen as can be seen with some affects of a Van de Graaff generator, or even by rubbing two balloons in your hair and holding them near each other. The Agent doesn't have to charge the ground, just have the same charge, and how do you know he isn't charging the ground? Electric levitation is just as possible as magnetic levitation, it is just unstable and more dangerous. And it is called lightning in the graphic novel. -Lөvөl 04:31, 5 December 2007 (EST)
        • Van de Graff generators and rubbing two balloons together are good examples of static repulsion. With a Van de Graaff generator, if you hold your hand on the metal conductor of the generator, your hair rises and you are okay; but if you remove your hand just a bit, you get shocked as the electric particles must then connect to you through the air (don't try this at home kids, it's not fun). Thus, if it is static repulsion the lightning should be flowing from his hands to the ground at all times to keep him in the air and it isn't. Also, if his power was somehow magically charging the ground, that would quickly be felt by those on the ground. And again, as you mentioned, static repulsion is an unstable form of repulsion, not very suitable for levitating in the air as the Agent clearly was. Future Peter calls his own ability "lightning" in the GN, and I agree Future Peter's ability should be named thus. But since Peter didn't levitate like the Agent, the Agent's power must be assumed a different ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 08:00, 5 December 2007 (EST)
          • The arcs would happen when there are parts of the objects that have opposite charges, it would happen frequently but not necessarily constantly. It would be easier to use electric levitation then to levitate in the earth's magnetic field, as earth's magnetic field is too weak locally to even levitate a very powerful magnet, in order for it to work the object would have to have a very large magnetic field. The insatiability would mean he would have to be constantly adjusting the field, not that it wouldn't work. It is actually easier to explain the Agent's levitation by electricity, then it is to explain Elle's "sharp shooting", witch would require the two objects to be the strongest oppositely charged objects in the area, with nothing between them to interfere or conduct. Ted could produce an EM pulse, Peter hasn't, it doesn't mean they are different powers. -Lөvөl 12:16, 5 December 2007 (EST)
            1. It would be constantly cause if the Agent was charging a portion of the ground and himself to match it as you suggest, then the uncharged ground closest to him would create an arc, not necessarily only towards him but potentially also towards the sky. There's also the problem of a charge affecting the others on the ground, which isn't a problem for magnetism. The earth is already one large magnet, so theoretically the Agent just has to have a strong enough magnetic field around himself to levitate. There is some cool info. about diamagnetism research performed at a Netherlands university, that shows how they made frogs levitate.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:10, 5 December 2007 (EST)
            2. With Ted, we saw him use radioactivity first. If Ted's first action with his ability was the EM pulse, we might have thought the radioactivity was a bonus effect and not the main power. With the Agent, we don't have the advantage to know which came first (the levitation or the lightning bolts), so we need to assume they came at the same time.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:10, 5 December 2007 (EST)
            3. And as for Elle's ability, this is fiction, so you have to suspend a certain amount of disbelief. My thought is that Elle charges herself and her target to opposite polarity in order to generate the lightning.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:10, 5 December 2007 (EST)
              1. After more research it appears I was wrong, arcs would not be frequent or constant, with a properly managed field over a wide enough area, they would not happen unless something interfered. Yes it would affect others on the ground, which for the most part would be minor, but if they got in the way they would get struck. Magnetism could work but it would not just have to be strong enough, but large enough to displace the energy equivalent of the geomagnetic field needed to overcome gravity, see here.
              2. The Agent demonstrated the ability to manipulate electricity and Peter called it Lightning. The Agent did not demonstrate any other magnetic properties, it is speculation to say his ability had anything to do with magnetism.
              3. I think that is the way Elle's ability works, which I also think is the same way the Agent's ability works. It is fiction, I do have to suspend disbelief, which means they could say it was magnetism, forcefields, etc., they said Lightning. I just wish they did somethings with Elle a little more realistic, it wouldn't be to hard.
            • Now I want to do some experimenting, but the ground may be too wet with snow and water to be safe. -Lөvөl 17:03, 10 December 2007 (EST)
              • 2. Peter produced an ability from his hands that shot out electricity, but he didn't levitate. Thus, he didn't replicate the Agent's ability and henceforth didn't name it. It is speculation to claim that the lightning he described could not have come from one of the other escaped prisoners. As further proof, in Powerless, Peter was able to send thoughts back to Matt, so it appears Peter should absorb whatever level of experience of power is present in the person he absorbs it from. Thus, if Peter was to meet Maury, he should be able to replicate his visual (more advanced) telepathy.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:33, 10 December 2007 (EST)
                • Peter didn't send his thoughts to Matt, that was just him talking to Matt in his head, the same way that Noah did to Matt when they were breaking out of the company's prison. --Piemanmoo 22:15, 25 December 2007 (EST)
                  • How do we know this for sure? We don't. It could be either. It's actually more reasonable to say that Peter projected his thoughts. Matt projects thoughts, then Peter copies him. --Ice Vision (talk) 22:19, 25 December 2007 (EST)
                  • But from what we know Peter has only ever read thoughts, not sent them. Since we can't prove if he sent his thoughts to Matt or not, we'll have to assume that the sound what just Matt hearing them, not peter sending them out.--Piemanmoo 14:59, 26 December 2007 (EST)
                    • Yeah, but Peter mimicked telepathy. He has that power. This means that he can do whatever Matt can do, which includes projecting thoughts into others' minds. We can't prove either, but since it's consistent to say that they projected thoughts into each other, it's the most probable scenario. Is it irrational to say that Peter unlocked a new aspect of telepathy after Matt tries to uses that same aspect against him? --Ice Vision (talk) 15:13, 26 December 2007 (EST)
                • Even if it is probable, it's still just speculation. --Piemanmoo 15:19, 26 December 2007 (EST)
                  • True, just like your statement. --Ice Vision (talk) 15:25, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Lightning?

  • I might be wrong but doesn't Peter call this ability Lightning in the graphic novel? I know that there has been a discussion about Lightning earlier on but no one seem to do anything with that discussion, why was electromagnetism chosen? -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 07:08, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Read this archive topic, which addresses exactly that. If you still have questions, I'll restate the reasons.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:07, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
      • So, the levitational aspect of this ability caused it to name it "Electromagnetism" if i understand correctly. Thanx! -- Futurepeter ( U - T - C ) 08:51, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
        • To bring attention to this topic again, I have to point out that we're relying heavily on what people say in some places and not so much in others. For Lightning, we have arguments against renaming it because Peter described it as Lightning. Here, we're going with a descriptive even though Peter explicitly called it Lightning. We're contradicting ourselves and discombobulating (wow, it wasn't underlined in red, that's a real word!) the naming conventions and our standards. For the arguments here that state it should be listed differently with a descriptive name because it has levitation, may I direct you to Enhanced strength and Accelerated probability. The former has a variation that requires fear. The latter has a variation that produces "Lighting". This variant of Lightning involves Levitation. We've lost consistency somewhere. Can anybody find it?--Riddler 01:04, 6 December 2008 (EST)
          • The difference is this ability has something extra that is produced. When this ability was named, the paradigm we were working in was that every character only has one single ability and that byproducts were not possible. Now that paradigm is forever shattered due to Brendan Lewis's and Edward's abilities having other abilities as byproducts. So it might be appropriate to rename this lightning and add levitation as a byproduct, and I'm not opposed to compromise and allow this rename/split if we can keep lightning as being Edward's ability too. What do you guys think? Sound like a good plan?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:18, 6 December 2008 (EST)
            • That sounds good. But I'm not liking these "By products" to be totally honest, though that's probably a discussion for another page. ...But what page?--Riddler 01:23, 6 December 2008 (EST)
          • After reading the previous discussion, I guess I'll throw my two cents in. The powers should be merged for the reasons stated. We don't consider Sylar (in all probability) using his telekinesis as a method of levitation (and healing) as worthy of calling those effects byproudcts, so I don't see why we would here. This is, after all, Heroes, and so it is entirely possible that lightning can allow a person to levitate (so it's just a function of the 'Lightning' ability, much as it is of telekinesis). But it even has a theoretical basis in reality, since electric currents inherrently produce magnetic fields (and vice versa). So, electromagnetism could just be another way the Agent was using his lightning ability. It's very much speculation to say that lightning cannot be used to levitate, especially in the realm of Heroes, so I don't quite see why this ability was separated from lightning based on how it was used, especially when it is specifically named. --Stevehim 11:34, 6 December 2008 (EST)
  • So, there is no opposition?--Riddler 16:48, 7 December 2008 (EST)
    • Wait, we're still debating on whether to keep byproducts at all or call them aspects or something else at User talk:Riddler/Ability byproducts. Until we agree, this can't be moved. Stevehim, the same thing can be said about levitation. How do we know that the agent's levitative aspect of his ability doesn't allow him to produce lightning? There is no way to tell which part is the core aspect of the ability. Sure, we can guess, but should we? We're debating this on that talk page and until we agree please do not move this page. Thanks.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:10, 7 December 2008 (EST)
      • Whether or not Levitation is the core ability or Lightning is, and the other is a byproduct, is irrelevant to this name change. The move is based on what the ability was called; "Lightning." We can't assume anything else because it WAS explicitly named. The byproduct/aspect debate will occur either way.--Riddler 17:13, 7 December 2008 (EST)
        • We've already covered that Riddler. We decided on electromagnetism over lightning because it encompassed both abilities. Peter also called his own ability lightning and he's never used it to levitate, so calling it lightning would be to claim it was the same ability. I think what we should be discussing now regarding this is whether to note the aspects/byproducts/whathaveyou in this ability's infobox and the other ability's infoboxes.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:11, 7 December 2008 (EST)
          • We've covered it, but we're creating an inconsistency. Instead of going with a higher level of canon, we're naming it based on an extra aspect or byproduct, which is wrong. Whether it's an aspect or byproduct is irrelevant. Peter called it Lightning, and thus it takes the second level of the naming convention. We have to rename this if we want to keep true to our standards. Either way Levitation will be noted. --Riddler 22:52, 7 December 2008 (EST)
            • Actually, it's not an inconsistency. We get to take into account what we saw in the graphic novel, not just what we read, and seeing him levitate is also at the second level of the naming convention. This is a similar situation to the Haitian's ability and Hiro's ability: we know there's two aspects to each ability and we assume they must be part of one core ability, hence we came up with ways to combine them to one name that make sense.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:29, 7 December 2008 (EST)
        • Miami...don't worry, I certainly wouldn't move the page on my own. :) I understand it was debated, but it seems a huge inconsistency to me to call this ability electromagnetism. It's entirely speculative (never used once, anywhere, in any kind of source), and Peter specifically calls it lightning. That he didn't use the levitation part of it is, to me, immaterial. I think Peter using it as lightning is enough to assume that's the main ability, and is less speculative than dubbing it electromagnetism, simply because the agent is levitating. We assume that the female agent is able to walk on walls as a side effect of her speed, rather than claiming she has two abilities, so I don't see why we wouldn't do that with the "electric" agent as well. And I certainly don't think that there was another source for the lightning Peter came up with. There were only three agents in the yard, iirc. There was the woman with super speed, the "electric" agent, and the big guy. And we know someone was blocking space-time manipulation, so it's likely it was him; otherwise someone had several powers (which is another possibility for the lightning/levitation thing). Again, we list Sylar's apparent levitaion and healing as side effects of his telekinesis, even though we know that he has other powers we have yet to see. I agree with Riddler...this page should be merged with Lightning, and a note should be added in the agent's section that it was used to levitate. Or, if we're not sure which power he had (and not willing to connect them), we can list him on both the levitation and lightning pages (though, imo, it was obvious that the lightning was the main ability). Either way, I think electromagnetism is complete speculation, and inconsistent with our naming conventions (as Peter specifically names it). --Stevehim 23:46, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Physics

Taking physics into account, there should be no reason someone with enough control over electricity couldn't levitate with enough electromagnetic propulsion. Heck, Ted made an EMP one time so who knows. In any case, I dont think we should consider the levitation to be an "aspect" of the agent's ability, but rather just a "interesting note" of it. Let's put it this way: For example, let's assume that the agent and Elle have the same power. On his page we could put "lightning" and the "byproducts of the ability: levitation". But I doubt that would work, not just because we used that name for Abu's ability, but because nobody else has shown self-levitation by itself and itself only before. If we look at Knox, his page doesnt say "enhanced strength" and then "byproducts of the ability: fear sensing" (or whatever you want to call it). It's because (a)nobody has fear-sensing by itself and (b)people like Niki have used it without that aspect before. Santiago and Brendan have both had other people with thier aspects alone before, while Knox hasn't. So we could simply keep it as a note that his ability does things slightly differently, while still keeping it at the same ability.

tl;dr: we should do it like Knox/Niki's powers are, instead of brendan/claire's powers. Here's an example of how I think it might work.--Piemanmoo 18:31, 7 December 2008 (EST)

  • So you want to list the wall's agent on the lightning/electric manipulation page, but you don't list the limits for him there and instead want to keep this page separate as electromagnestism? That's omitting information, which doesn't sound like a good plan to me. See Riddler's userpage discussion for what I suggested.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:12, 7 December 2008 (EST)
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