Talk:René

• I thought that the Man at the Bar's first encounter with the policeman was reminscent of an early encounter between a young Professor X and another powerful telepath. I cannot remember the details of that comic book, but it's part of Professor X's canonical origin story. In it, Professor X meets an Indian telepath at a bar on accident, and they end up fighting each other on the astral plane. Ultimately, Professor X defeats him.
• If the "man at the bar" is known as The Haitian in the official scripts, should the page name be moved ? --Orne 15:15, 8 November 2006 (EST)
  • I would say yes. I think the actual article should now be called The Haitian with Man at the bar just redirecting. If they give him an actual name, we can just move it again. Any other opinions? (Admin 17:09, 8 November 2006 (EST))
    • Sounds good to me. If nothing else, he's no longer at the bar. :) --Hardvice (talk) 17:35, 8 November 2006 (EST)
      • Can we get a redirect SED to Hatian.
        ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 22:54, 6 January 2007 (EST)
        • Sure, but I for one would rather not use it for links. It's clearer if we consistently call him "the Haitian" rather than using his fan nicknames. But a redirect is still a good idea for searches.--Hardvice (talk) 23:02, 6 January 2007 (EST)
          • Personally, I don't think it's necessary as it's not not a very popular way of referring to him and I'd hate to see links show up using it instead of the proper name The Haitian. (Admin 00:30, 7 January 2007 (EST))
            • I can see the benefit of having a redirect to an article for searching purposes - especially if we get a fan looking for something that Heroes Wiki calls differently. However, I've never heard him called SED anywhere. I know he was called "Spooky Euro Dude" on the show once, and though I'm sure SED is a legitimate fan name, I think anybody that were to search for SED and not come up with anything could pretty quickly figure out that they should use another search term. Redirects for all nicknames are just not necessary. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2007 (EST)
              • The redirect doesn't really bug me. We can correct links to it just as easily as we can correct red links to SED or piped links labeled SED. In any case, all the links will still read "the Haitian" and there's no extra work, so it's all the same to me.--Hardvice (talk) 00:57, 7 January 2007 (EST)
                • so is it #REDIRECT|SED
                  ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 13:03, 7 January 2007 (EST)

Powers

The Haitian seems to be able to knock people out by touching them. Ryangibsonstewart argues that Eden's suggestion was responsible for him passing out, but he seemed to be resisting her suggestion (with effort) until the Haitian grabbed him from behind. Sylar also resisted her suggestion when she tried to tell him to kill himself, attempting to kill her for her power instead. Basically, Eden's power seems to be a powerful -- but not irresistible -- compulsion.

The Haitian's true power seems to be to interfere with brain function in various ways. He can remove, but apparently not alter, memories. He can interfere with Matt's telepathy and Eden's suggestion, although it's not whether he's actually affecting the superhuman or the target. The ability to knock someone out by interfering with mental function in another way seems quite consistent with his "core" power of mental manipulation (or perhaps more accurately -- mental interference). - Ted C

• Devil's advocate time: It's possible, but unconfirmed. There's no reason to assume he can resist Eden's commands ... in fact, the fact that she assumed she could so easily take him out herself seems to imply that she was confident he couldn't, which would seem odd if her command hadn't worked the night before. We can assume he's not responsible for knocking Matt or Ted out when they were abducted because Bennet tells Matt they drugged him, and Matt asks Ted if he was drinking as well (of course, Bennet could be lying). If he could just knock them out with a handshake, why go to the trouble of bringing somebody else into the scheme (the Haitian wasn't close enough to Matt's drink to drug it, so it has to have been another patron or the bartender)? Also, why tranq Sylar (in Graphic Novel:Fathers and Daughters) if you can just touch him?
  
  I think there's little evidence to support the ability, though I agree it's in line with the way his powers seem to work. The only person who goes down when he touches them is Sylar, and he's just received a suggestion to sleep. Sylar may be immune/resistant to her power, but that's not confirmed, either. He avoids her suggestion to kill himself by acting before the condition precedent is met ("I'm going to put the gun in the slot, then you're going to blow your brains out.")--Hardvice (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2006 (EST)
  • I'm all for letting future events verify the Haitian's abilities, but I think Eden may overestimate herself a bit. Matt Parkman wasn't very compliant when he pulled her over for drunk driving, either; she had to repeat the suggestion what -- three times? -- before it finally affected him? I think the effect of her power increases with repetition, but we'll never know for sure, now (unless we get some really informative flashbacks). --Ted C 15:12, 6 December 2006 (EST)
• You make a good point, Ted C. I actually happen to agree with you, but until anything is confirmed, we should leave it off the page. I guess we'll have to wait until January 22 :( - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2006 (EST)
  • I'm fine with waiting until we get further confirmation, but I wanted to get this into the Wiki somewhere for future reference. The talk page seemed the appropriate venue. --Ted C 15:12, 6 December 2006 (EST)

Eden

"He has the ability to block mental abilities (to date, Matt's telepathy and Eden's suggestion)" When did he block Eden's suggestion? Branfish 03:13, 18 January 2007 (EST)

In Six Months Ago, Eden tries to command Mr. Bennet to let her go, and he tells her that her powers won't work on him. The Haitain is standing in the room. (see this image for reference.) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:54, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Oh, of course, I forgot about the past. Branfish 07:54, 18 January 2007 (EST)

Spooky Euro-dude

OK, could someone explain how someone would call a Haitian a "euro-dude"??? Not much european at all about him to be honest. -- Cuardin 15:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)

• Jimmy Jean-Louis's look and facial features could be interpreted by some to be european (I'd say he could pass for being French -- according to his page, he was an international model not only in Haiti but Paris and Spain?)
• Not to pretend that I'm a fashion expert, but I'd say that the Haitian's fashion sense and image could be regarded as "euro" (by at least some Americans, anyway)
• Sensitivity isn't one of Nathan's major personality traits
• especially when it comes to the correct ethnic/cultural identity of a kidnapper.

--Glue 08:42, 11 February 2007 (EST)

• I'm pretty sure it was a nod to (or making fun of) some of the forums where people have used that actual name. Heroes writers tend to be pretty savvy when it comes to self-referential comments. I swear, when Hiro and Kaito talked about waffles in Distractions, it was because they read about it here. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Sylar

Should it be brought into question about the Haitian's removal (or lack thereof) of Sylar's memory? He looked right at HRG and inquired about Claire. This means one of two things, the Haitian is working with Sylar, or Sylar's new eiditic memory makes him immune to the Haitians powers.

• This is definitely a good point. I'm not sure I would mention it on the Haitian's page (or on mental manipulation) because we're not sure if it's a lack of the Haitian's power or an extension of Sylar's power. My guess is that Sylar's got a lot going on we don't know about. Perhaps we should just mention it in the summary spaces (The Fix, Sylar), maybe the "Notes" sections, and wait to find out more... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:52, 30 January 2007 (EST)
  • It's also possible they just chose not to wipe Sylar's memory because they needed something from him, or thought they might at least. They could also just have not had the chance ... they were still questioning him when he killed Eden, and he got "sick" pretty much right after that.--Hardvice (talk) 12:14, 30 January 2007 (EST)
  • It was my opinion that It had to do with Charlie's power. Her eiditic memory would make it theoretically substantially harder to erase memories. Anomy 20:49, 21 February 2007 (EST)
    • FWIW, Jason Badower theorizes on his blog that Charlie's power overruled the Haitian's mindrape. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk)

Does he work for the Company?

I thought he escaped like Claude since they were going to kill him for hiding someone with abilities? Would that make him formerly employed, similar to Claude?--Baldbobbo 18:47, 1 March 2007 (EST)