Talk:Takezo Kensei

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Character?

Should he be in the character categories? ---- 19:08, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I don't think so. Heroe 19:19, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I put him in the character category because he's the original owner of the sword. Afterall, he is (was) a person. I think he's also a reference, since he's a figure from history. I'd keep him as both. As for the portals, I don't really care how that's taken care of. Personally, I think it should be in both. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:13, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I agree. Mr. Petrelli's a character and he's dead, too. Ditto Shanti Suresh. They're people who are important to the story.--Hardvice (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2007 (EST)

However, I disagree. This guy is more of a legend than someone who could directly influence the story, other than his sword. ---- 00:09, 25 January 2007 (EST)

...so far.--Hardvice (talk) 00:13, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Really, the only differences between Takezo and the others Hardvice listed are that Takezo is much older, and that he's a figure from history. However, I don't think age should matter, and we're not even sure he's really a real person. He's may be Miyamoto Musashi, but even historians can't be sure. (In fact, maybe that's why the writers chose him, so they can be ambiguous about the character's past.) I say that the original owner of a major plot point like the sword is definitely a character - especially in a show where time travel is possible. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2007 (EST)

• To bring this subject "current": As of Season 2, Kensei is currently a character and is in the Character categories.--Danielandthelions 17:09, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Not really a reference....

I'm not sure how this can be a reference article, since Takezo never existed in the real world and he's more of a character starting in season two. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 22:51, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

• I partly agree. When season two begins, we should probably move this article to the character box and have a seperate reference article on Miyamoto Musashi and the differences between the real and fictional Kensei's. Until then, this is both a Heroes 360 and an episode reference.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:15, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
  • I agree, Heroe, this article isn't really a reference. We categorized it as such because "Kensei" is really a term that just means "sword saint", and because there was the possibility of him being (or representing) Miyamoto Musashi. I don't think we should have an article on Miyamoto Musashi, though, since he really is never referenced. If anything, the Musashi connection should remain a note on this page, and we should just drop the reference cat. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:43, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
    • Perhaps putting the differences in a history vs. myth theme page would be better, then, especially since it's been hinted we are going to be exploring legends not just from Japan.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:55, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
      • I don't think we need a full comparison of the differences between Kensei and Musashi. The basic differences can be discussed in the Notes. If Musashi is mentioned anywhere in the Heroes universe, then fine, a reference page could be made. But I'd much rather see any discussion of Musashi confined to a Notes section. When a legend comes up, we can deal with it individually. And in this particular case, the connection between Kensei and Musashi is weak at best, and is nonexistent in the Heroes realm. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:13, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Sooooo, can Kensai be removed from the references portal?--SacValleyDweller 15:43, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

• Thanks for the reminder. I'll take care of it now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:52, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

• I think it's awesome that we had a discussion that this article was a reference article and not a character article, and now we've had a discussion that this article is a character article and not a reference article. Just goes to show how the creators end up keeping us on our toes.--Hardvice (talk) 02:49, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

As for Takezo...

I think any reference to him that involves Kaito and Hiro's stories should have some mention of "the legend" or something to that effect. As we watch Kensei's story unravel, we're noticing things aren't what the story told - The Princess seems to despise Kensei. My first suggestion would be, on the Princess Page, add "according to legend" right after "Takezo gives his life for the princess."--Riddler 22:48, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

• ???--Riddler 17:47, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Agreed. I'm making an effort to describe events as they are shown in the episodes, then noting the legends as such in an effort to note the discrepancies between the legend and how things now happen (e.g. The Battle of 12 Swords in Sword Saint is pictured as a bloodbath, but in Lizards it's Hiro's trickery that wins it.) To be clear, I'm doing this carefully because there's some possibility that they could reveal Hiro being there has caused a Rift and the legends describe how these events occurred before Hiro popped in.--Danielandthelions 18:04, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
    • That's a solid approach. And how cool would it be if, after the story plays out, the videos on yamagatofellowship.org are changed to reflect the "new" history?--Hardvice (talk) 18:17, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Regeneration, huh?

Never thought Kensei would have it...thoughts?--DarkPhoenix 22:02, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

• Guess he made it through his suicide! XD --AvadaNella 22:03, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Ugh...couldn't they have given him somthing different? West has the same power as Nathan and now Kensei has the same power as Claire. Come on, experiment people!--The Empath 22:05, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Sure, Kensei, the man with the power of...*thinks* Hell, give him cell regeneration, say he's Claire's ancestor or something (just a theory, imagine if it was true XD), and call it a day.--DarkPhoenix 22:06, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
    • They talk about their decision to duplicate powers in an interview here if you're interested. I think we'll be seeing quite a bit of duplication, but also quite a bit of new ones as well. (Admin 22:07, 1 October 2007 (EDT))
      • My first thought was "he is a younger Linderman" --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/1/2007 22:10 (EST)
      • I think it's pretty interesting that they're introducing very different kinds of people with similar or the same abilities, and really, it would be more of a stretch if we didn't start to see some of them recur. After all, Chandra was able to research whole classes of powers he was able to identify as potential abilities by analyzing genetic data. It would be pretty odd if most of the abilities he identified were only held by one person, and they all were somehow connected to the story. Instead, two of the abilities he mentions specifically in his book have now turned up on multiple users. Kind of makes sense. There are probably more common abilities and more scarce abilities, just like other traits.--Hardvice (talk) 23:31, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
        • It might not be the same as Claire's, however. One possibility is that every time Kensei dies, he takes on another personality: one life as a drunken mercenary, one life as a hero, one life as a life as a lawyer, one life as a killer. It would make life very interesting for our Heroes, wouldn't it, to find that the monster they will know as Kane was a hero once and may be once again? One could even extend it one random leap furthur and claim that Kensei and Kane are both "Austin" Petrelli, who comitted suicide after learning about his wife's infidelity with Keito, only to rise again as Kane and seek revenge. That's... a bit of a stretch, is it? --Calemyr
          • I sure think it is. Almost as far fethed as the "bits of Peter" or the "Waffles" theories. :P--Danielandthelions 18:08, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
• "Makes" it through his suicide. Lets see if Kensei marries the Princess or if Hiro steals the girl. (Doubt it, since he was too honorable to kiss her while he had time frozen!)--Danielandthelions 18:08, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Isn't Kensai immortal?

I know it's a spoiler but was it Kensai or someone else? I forgot/ Jason Garrick 23:00, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

• it was supposedly Kane, but now I'm not so sure.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:25, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Well, it was revealed today that Claire could regrow her appendages, and, in Five Years Past, she survived the bomb, so im guessing, like Claire, Kensei is "immortal." Dean Harper 01:08, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Maybe, but not necessarily. Regeneration isn't the same thing as not aging.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:15, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
• I think that it will come out in future episodes that he is immortal. When I saw that episode I thought that he had to die in order for his power to kick in, while Claire doesn't have to do that with her power. --Pinkkeith 10:56, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Think we very well might find out in a future episode that both Clare and Kensai is immortal. However, Clare hasn't been around that long. --Xmuskrat 11:30, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
    • He dies with two arrows still stuck in him, and returns back to life. Hiro removes one arrow - and Kensei is still alive when he does so. I think that's a major difference between Claire's and Kensei's regeneration patterns. Kensei might just... not be able to die. He can still get injured and stuff, but if he dies, he returns to life with no injuries. --DocM 17:30, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
      • The other possibility is that the arrow was in his heart, and the heart works the same way as the brain (see: Claire and the stump). Should be interesting to watch the differences or similarities in their powers play out.--Hardvice (talk) 17:37, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
        • People with regenerative healing factors should age much, much slower than a normal human being. The obvious example is Wolverine.--Matt 2108 01:09, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Makes me excited for the scene when Kensei cuts out his heart. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:06, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Barbarian in Japan

Consider hiro's quote when he says (paraphrasing) "My dad told me about Kenzei. He was a savage warrior." I found the Original Wikipedia's article on [[1]] in 16th & 17th Century Japan very interesting. They called them nanbans, which literally means "Barbarians from the South" or "Savages from the south." Was this intentional foreshadowing? Did they tell us last season that Kensei was a nanban? --Danielandthelions 17:14, 3 October 2007 (EDT)