Graphic Novel talk:Betty, Part 1

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Identity

I'm willing to bet that Betty is actually Candice.--Ted C 10:33, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

• That seems to be the direction they want us to think they're going. And regardless of how it pans out, Betty's power as already expressed fits the profile of our definition of "illusion" well enough that it should be mentioned.--E rowe 10:43, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Miss Pricher

I don't think there's any way this can be a reference to Betty. First, the cheerleaders call her "Betty Somebody" earlier (implying they don't even know her last name) and don't realize she's not a new student. Second, I just can't imagine Betty having a conversation with these cheerleaders about the Homecoming theme (nor can I imagine her giving a crap about it). I think Pricher is almost certainly the cheerleading teacher.--Hardvice (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

• Great point about "Betty Somebody". I agree, I was thinking about the idea that Betty probably couldn't care less about the Homecoming theme--I'd imagine she'd avoid the event like the plague, and not think the theme was genius (unless, of course, the theme was to ditch the dance, or to crown the fugliest girl there). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Plus, when people legally change their names, they don't usually change their last as well. So Betty's last name should still be "Willmer/Wilmer" --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 22:53, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Sorry, the part about not changing their last name isn't true. As we know, Sarah Ellis became Eden McCain. Hardvice might be right about Betty not caring about theme, but then again the theme might be goth-related and then she would care about it. Also, the comment of "Betty Something" is addressed to the brown-haired student and the person who mentions Miss Pricher thinks it's genius is hidden.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:25, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
      • Eden might not have legally changed her name. She could have just started signing her as Eden McCain on documents and such. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 23:46, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
        • You can legally change your surname (and lots of folks do) just as easily as your first name. Ask Charlie or Martin Sheen, or Elton John, or John Wayne.--Hardvice (talk) 23:51, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
      • Even still, if I was talking to you about somebody and you mentioned that you didn't know their last name, I wouldn't refer to them by it (especially for such an out-of-character thing as Betty caring about the homecoming theme) and expect you to know who I was talking about. And then there's the "Miss". There's no real indication that they're using it sarcastically, and I don't buy that High School girls routinely use titles to refer to other students, particularly ones they despise so much. It just feels a lot more like they're talking about an adult, especially since teachers are almost always "Mister So-and-So" or "Miss Whatsherface" or "Coach Hassenpfeffer". It's not impossible that it's Betty's surname, but in my opinion it's extraordinarily unlikely.--Hardvice (talk) 23:51, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
        • I'd like to say a lot of things are extraordinarily unlikely, but then Heroes is fiction so everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Sorry Hardvice, but you set me up for that one. Heh. ;)--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:57, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
          • I asked Ryan, "Any chance that Miss Pricher will be mentioned again?" He replied, "I don't think Miss Pricher has any significance or will be in there later." I'm assuming he's not talking about Betty. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:43, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
            • Hrm. Then I'll have to agree with you then that Miss Pricher's not Betty and is not directly related to her. I do hope, though, that they clearly specify Betty's last name in this GN series. I doubt that we'll be visiting Betty again anytime soon.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:21, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
              • I doubt they'll give her last name. Ryan Odagawa told me the names of the three cheerleaders, the jock, and Ren's last name (he asked me not to release that information until after the series is finished), but he never said anything about Betty's last name. That doesn't mean we won't find it out, but when Betty's identity is revealed, it really won't matter what her last name is, since Betty will just be a redirect to the character's current name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:48, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
                • That would be a shame, then. Also, I think her last name does matter, especially when Volume Two is going to be called "Generations" I want to know her last name in case more of her family gets introduced. We would list the last name in the infobox if we had it, just like we do with Eden McCain/Sarah Ellis.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:23, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
                  • It's of course possible that her last name will be revealed, or even that we'll get a glimpse of her parents and family in the next 3 GNs--Ryan O. has taken to calling her Betty and not ... that other name. If her family is revealed in Generations, I'm sure it'll be quite obvious, and not a hidden "do you know her last name?" kind of thing. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:39, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
• I agree. Students usually call adults "Mister" or "Miss" and classmates by their first names. Calling Betty "Miss Pritcher" would not make sense in the context. Disney42 20:47, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Betty's Last Name (Part 2)

Only thing I don't understand is where she'd get a name like Willmer without having exposure to it previously. Either it is her original last name, or Willmer has some other important significance with the story I reckon. On a different note, I can see you all secretly hoping that Betty's last name is really Petrelli. --Unfalln (talk) 08:53, 29 June 2007 (AEST)

• Actually, no... I would like to find out her last name is really Linderman--now that would really shake things up. Heh.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:43, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
  • New theory: Betty is the offspring of Angela and Uluru, given up for adoption to Mr. Muggles, who's really Mr. Linderman's shapeshifting wife. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 23:42, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Shh. We don't find that out until Season Ten after they've exhaused every other plot. (Admin 01:27, 29 June 2007 (EDT))
      • Heh, if only there could be 10 seasons... Her last name's probably important or else they'd have given it in part 1. I think she's too young to be married to Mr. Linderman (the caption read Not long ago), but being his daughter might work.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:31, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Maybe Ren's last name is Willmer... didn't somebody mention that he couldn't tell us that until Part 4 either? Could be because it's important that way... --Maelwys 09:08, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
    • It's not Willmer. Ren's last name is one that we have not yet heard anywhere on Heroes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

A brunette, a blonde, and a redhead enter the bathroom

This sounds like the beginning of a joke ;). Although brunette is commonly used to refer to any dark brown or black hair, it actually means "little brown-haired girl". Though it is pretty minor, I would prefer accuracy, but I can't think of any terms for black hair that would work. Maybe thats why I haven't heard any jokes about someone with black hair ;). -Lөvөl 04:13, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

• Brunette can alternately mean someone with brown hair or someone with dark hair. Though "black-haired" is more accurate, "brunette" is perfectly acceptable. Personally, I find it tiring to read "the black-haired girl did this", "the girl with black hair did that", so I changed it up for some variety. If you want to change it, feel free. :) (Thank goodness she's not bald, eh?) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:29, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Problem solved. Ryan Odagawa asked that we specify the lighter-haired girl as being brown-haired, and the other as being black-haired. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:10, 27 June 2007 (EDT)