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Talk:Maury Parkman
Rename?
Okay, "Worse than the boogeyman" is, franky, silly. It woud be much more professional if it was something like "Man watching Molly" or "Molly's enemy" --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 17:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I agree. "Worse than the boogeyman" is ridiculous! It doesn't even convince the reader right away that the article is even about a person. "Man watching Molly" is MUCH better. -- Novajoe23 18:09, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Are we sure it's a "man"? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Molly calls the person "he", so I would assume the person is male.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Male is not the same as man. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- That's a good point.--Ice Vision 11:46, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
- Male is not the same as man. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- "Man watching Molly" makes the guy sound like a pedophile...--Ice Vision 18:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- "Man watching Molly" isn't accurate. She never said he was watching her, but that he could see her if she saw him. --Riddler 19:12, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- How about something simple, like "New Villain" or "Mysterious Bad Man"?--Sauron18 19:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I think the current name is okay for now, but here's my suggestions: Molly's monster... or Monster (reflected clairvoyance).--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Well, as long as we have sufficent redirects, because it took me a long time to find the article. The actual article could be something as simply as "He", or "Him", as long as it's referenced elsewhere and easy to find. --Sauron18 19:51, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- There's also "Man who can see Molly" Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 19:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- How about Sauron? ;-) In all seriousness, "Man Who Can See Molly" is the best suggestion. It's more specific than "him" and doesn't sound silly like the current title.--Pearse 20:58, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I added Man (reflected clairvoyance) and Man who can see Molly to the possible nominations. They both fit the form of additions we did as for the unnamed characters from walls. For that GN, we named them by their power (ie. Agent (electromagnetism) and Agent (enhanced speed)).--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Yes, but, we don't really know if that's his power, so it would be speculation. --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 21:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I added Man (reflected clairvoyance) and Man who can see Molly to the possible nominations. They both fit the form of additions we did as for the unnamed characters from walls. For that GN, we named them by their power (ie. Agent (electromagnetism) and Agent (enhanced speed)).--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- How about Sauron? ;-) In all seriousness, "Man Who Can See Molly" is the best suggestion. It's more specific than "him" and doesn't sound silly like the current title.--Pearse 20:58, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- There's also "Man who can see Molly" Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 19:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Well, as long as we have sufficent redirects, because it took me a long time to find the article. The actual article could be something as simply as "He", or "Him", as long as it's referenced elsewhere and easy to find. --Sauron18 19:51, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I think the current name is okay for now, but here's my suggestions: Molly's monster... or Monster (reflected clairvoyance).--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- How about something simple, like "New Villain" or "Mysterious Bad Man"?--Sauron18 19:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- "Man watching Molly" isn't accurate. She never said he was watching her, but that he could see her if she saw him. --Riddler 19:12, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Molly calls the person "he", so I would assume the person is male.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- "Reflected Clairvoyance" would be sheer speculation. We can't use that.--Riddler 21:56, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- What do you mean speculation? If he can see her when she is seeing him, that means he is reflecting her clairvoyance... but if you think there is speculation as to whether Molly is just imagining his power should we go with the "Man who might be able to see Molly"? Lets keep the current name then, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Just because he can see her doesn't mean he's reflecting her clairvoyance. He could have the power to into a giant rock, for all we know! --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- "He could have the power to into a giant rock". He could have what??? LOL, you lost me there...--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Just because he can see her doesn't mean he's reflecting her clairvoyance. He could have the power to into a giant rock, for all we know! --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- What do you mean speculation? If he can see her when she is seeing him, that means he is reflecting her clairvoyance... but if you think there is speculation as to whether Molly is just imagining his power should we go with the "Man who might be able to see Molly"? Lets keep the current name then, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Remember, Clairvoyance is only the term we gave it. Reflected Clairvoyance sounds odd anyway.--Riddler 22:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- My suggestion is "Being who can see Molly" as it's not clear that "Man" or "Monster" would be correct (especially given he is speculated to Uluru, but it is not known), but "who can see Molly" is the clearest way of signifying and identifying what we know about him. Alexwill 22:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- That's the best suggestion I've heard so far. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:56, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
How about we name him "Molly seer"? It's short, simple, and to the point.--Ice Vision 23:00, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- That's nice and short, but can we trust Molly's description?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- We don't have anyone else to trust, do we?--Ice Vision 23:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Not yet, so that's why I prefer the current name. Describing him by an ability we don't know for certain is wrong, imho, unless we want to guess in which case we should be using proper nomenclature. His very existence is tied to believing it's not just a nightmare Molly has thought up. So if you want short and accurate, how about "Molly's greatest fear"?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:34, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- We don't have anyone else to trust, do we?--Ice Vision 23:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- "Worse Than Sylar" would have been okay, but I absolutely prefer "Molly's Greatest Fear." --Voo
Image
I realize we haven't seen this guy yet. Would an image of Molly talking to Matt about him be appropriate for now? Or is the consensus to leave this without an image for now?--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- That would be misleading. Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 20:36, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Any images of Molly should be thumbnailed or go in a gallery, not in the infobox. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Identity
- You all know Molly's talking about Uluru, right? See CBR 22. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- That would be my theory as well. But since they didn't exactly spell it out in the CBR it remains just a very good theory.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:19, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I don't exactly feel like reading the whole interview, but could someone kindly tell me where it is? Thanks.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Here you go:
- I don't exactly feel like reading the whole interview, but could someone kindly tell me where it is? Thanks.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- That would be my theory as well. But since they didn't exactly spell it out in the CBR it remains just a very good theory.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:19, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
| Jereme Zuanich wants to know if we'll see a resolution to the Uluru character, the big blue rock monster on the cover of Micah's "9 th Wonders" comic. "It was drawn and painted by Isaac and was also on Hiro's screen saver when he first stops time. Will this be a new more serious foe on day, perhaps once our heroes begin to master their abilities? Is there any chance this monster actually exists, or is he a manifestation of something else?" There will be some hint of the Uluru mystery before the end of the season. Uluru means a lot of things to a lot of people. It might not refer to a person, but rather a concept. One of our favorite CBR readers wrote a very interesting theory about Uluru and the connection to the Aborgine dreamtime myths and theory. Is Uluru a person? Or is Uluru an ability? Or a concept? We'll see. |
--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Thank you so much. I appreciate it.--Ice Vision 22:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Why do we need this, exactly?
- This whole article feels pretty premature. It's pretty much just here for the quote, which is way too long anyway. I'm not sure we need an article for this (or a protracted argument about what to call it) just yet.--Hardvice (talk) 23:30, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I'll second the nomination to delete it--for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:50, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- Thirded. Makes sense to me. --Riddler 23:57, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- I'll second the nomination to delete it--for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:50, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
- It is an integral piece of the current Heroes puzzle, though. I feel like deleting this page, though information is scarce, is a jump that should not be made. --Zenebas 01:05, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
- Everything we currently know about this individual can be summed up on the episode page, though. We don't even have any independent corroboration that this character actually exists, apart from the beliefs of a scared little girl who refers to the main Season One villain as "the boogeyman". Chances are good we'll have enough information to start an article that isn't so ... pointless ... come the first episode of next season.--Hardvice (talk) 02:11, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
- I agree that deleting is a bad idea. Clearly, this character will be very significant, and what information is known now should be here. Alex W (talk) 10:22, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
- If anyone's counting votes, mine would be to keep the page. There are entries of similar size about far less important characters as this and people reading the wiki will be looking for any information about this man, whatever we decide upon calling him. There's already the speculation that the character is Uluru, and there's bound to be more details over the next few months, so the page could be quite helpful.--Pearse 13:04, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
- I agree that an article like this will be helpful, but until "Volume Two," I don't think we need this article.
- As far as the Uluru speculation goes, I'd imagine, even in the Heroes World, that "giant rock-monsters" don't exist. In my humble opinion, I think Uluru was just a vision 'Isaac' had while he was high and his power got the better of him.
- Of course, the show does need an antagonist (or two) for the second season. But I think that, while this article could (and probably will) be very necessary during the episode Generations (September, 2007), it just doesn't need to exist right now.
— Rewind, 6:52 UTC; Wednesday, May 23, 2007
- I say not to delete it because it almost reveals a whole nother evil, something the Heroes could be afraid of and a mystery. I say keep it. What does it hurt by leaving it? Jason Garrick 15:54, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
- People are already linking to it externally, so let's keep it. Plus it sounds like this will be an important part of things to come, so people are interested in knowing any information about it already. I'm not a huge fan of the name, but I can't really think of anything better. (Admin 16:00, 23 May 2007 (EDT))