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Blocking Abilities

It seems to me that there is still question over whether or not it is the Haitian that blocks the mental abilities. The times that we know that powers have been blocked, he has been there. But HRG has been for a few of them as well. For Sylar at the paper firm, The Haitian may have been in another part, or outside completely, of the building.

It seems to me that including that as fact is premature. (Jared 18:47, 8 December 2006 (EST))

Mr. Bennet told Matt after he abducted him: "Trying to hear my thoughts, Matt? Not with my friend here. He's special, too." Also when Eden tried to use her power on Mr. Bennet it cut to The Haitian making some effort to block her. Jack Coleman has said in an interview[1] that at this point Mr. Bennet will not be revealed to have any powers. It's actually pretty clear that the blocking is being performed by The Haitian. (Admin 18:55, 8 December 2006 (EST))
I'm not convinced. That said, if I'm the only one that is not convinced, I'll write myself off and drop the question. (Jared 19:16, 8 December 2006 (EST))
Bennet was not in the bar - it was the Haitian that blocked blocked Matt using his telepathy. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2006 (EST)
If it helps, I just noticed on the Theories page we have a link to an interview[2] where a couple of producers/writers explicitly say it was The Haitian that blocked Matt's powers. (Admin 22:51, 8 December 2006 (EST))
See it. Ok. Ignore me. Jared 17:05, 9 December 2006 (EST))
  • I also believe that sometime in the future, it will be revealed that Bennet has an ability. The biggest piece of evidence for me is his job: either he's doing it for power (which it's pretty clear he has little to none) or more likely, he's doing it because he too is a metahuman. We know that he's been doing "the job" for longer than Claire has been alive. I think that like Claude (invisible man), he is a 1st-Generation metahuman (this would make Micah a 3rd generation) who is doing the job he is doing in order to help those like himself.-- YoShIe (talk) 21:18, 8 December 2006 (EST)

I'm starting to get the sense that the Haitian's power-blocking ability is more useful against projected powers (those that affect people other than the one with the power) than against personal powers (those that only work on the person with the power). It seems to be effective against Matt's telepathy, Eden's persuasion, and Sylar's telekinesis. It seems less effective against Nathan's flight and Sylar's intuitive aptitude. Alternatively, the more concentration it takes to do something, the more effectively he interferes. I'd like to keep this observation in mind as we collect more data on his power. --Ted C 21:01, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Knock-outs

  • While I am in the camp that believes the Haitian can knock people out with his power, I don't think that's what happened to Matt Parkman. I'm pretty sure the Haitian has to touch someone to knock them out, which didn't happen to Matt. Matt was probably drugged, just as Mr. Bennet said. When told to "take down" Nathan, the Haitian started moving toward him, but Nathan took off before the Haitian could get a hand on him. In "Homecoming", Sylar dropped like a rock when the Haitian grabbed him, even though he seemed to be fighting Eden's suggestions before that. Hopefully we'll learn more about his in future episodes. --Ted C 09:31, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Merge with telepathy?

  • to me, "Mental Manipulation" sounds just like another term for telepathy. A lot of the things the Haitian has been shown to do are things that powerful telepaths can all accomplish. (e.g.: Professor X) is anyone else for merging this with telepathy? Heroe 14:38, 3 January 2007 (EST)
    • It doesn't seem quite the same. There is no indication that the Haitian can read surface thoughts, for instance. --Ted C 14:44, 3 January 2007 (EST)
    • Emphatic "no". "Telepathy", despite what it means outside the context of Heroes, is used here to describe Matt's power to read (and so far only read) thoughts. There's no indication the Haitian possesses this power, and he certainly can do things Matt cannot.--Hardvice (talk) 15:12, 3 January 2007 (EST)
      • IAWTC 110%. Mind reading and power blocking/memory erasing are quite different. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Images

"The Haitian's power somehow causes Matt to collapse on the floor of a bar." ~ Mr Bennet clearly says that Matt was drugged. As the caption is inaccurate, the picture does not belong on this page. Branfish 11:53, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Mr. Bennet does claim that, but given what is known about The Haitian it does seem more likely that it was he that caused Matt to lose consciousness. He has used his power to subdue Sylar and tried to use it to subdue Nathan before he flew away. It would have been difficult to have actually drugged Matt at a public bar without getting close to him. Maybe they drugged him afterwards and that's what he's referring to, but when he loses consciousness at the bar it seems to me that it was most likely The Haitian's powers. Any other thoughts? (Admin 12:09, 19 January 2007 (EST))
It's possible Bennet was lying (he's been known to do that), but I agree with Branfish: we have no reason to believe that the Haitian's ability necessarily explains Matt's (or Ted's, or Sylar's, or Nathan's) collapse. In each case, an alternate explanation has been given: both Matt and Ted were drinking probably drugged drinks, Nathan was already asleep (and could have been drugged in his sleep if need be) and Sylar was fighting a losing battle against Eden's suggestion. The AWI is big and powerful enough that they could have accomplices spiking the drinks (puts a different spin on the bartender's "just shut up and order a drink" thoughts, no?). I'd say there's just not enough evidence one way or the other to assume it's the Haitian's doing.--Hardvice (talk) 12:18, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Of course, it also occurs to me that there's not much point in Mr. Bennet lying to Matt about drugging him if they're just going to wipe his memory again anyway.--Hardvice (talk) 12:33, 19 January 2007 (EST)
I don't know what Mr. Bennet's purpose was exactly in telling him he drugged him. Maybe it was simpler than going into detail about The Haitian's power, maybe like I said they did drug him subsequently. I'm not sure. To me, though, the encounters with The Haitian (including Mr. Bennet asking him to "put him down" regarding Nathan) make me fairly certain that it was The Haitian responsible for Matt losing consciousness as well as ultimately Sylar when they captured him. Of course, I've been wrong before. :) (Admin 12:40, 19 January 2007 (EST))
I agree it's likely that it's the Haitian's doing (though that opens other questions ... if he could knock Matt out across the room, why not Nathan from a couple feet away? Why tranq Sylar with darts in Fathers and Daughters?). I just think it's far from confirmed when every instance of him knocking somebody out has another plausible (and in some cases given) explanation.--Hardvice (talk) 12:53, 19 January 2007 (EST)
I firmly believe it was the Haitian's powers that knocked Matt out. However, it's just that - a belief. I was unwittingly speculating when I added the photo - it's not confirmed, and there is certainly evidence that it may not have been his powers. I'll remove the pic now. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:29, 19 January 2007 (EST)
I'm not sure what image was being discussed, but it occurs to me that it might be valid example of the Haitian using his powers to block Matt's telepathy. --Ted C 13:31, 19 January 2007 (EST)
It was this pic, which is a good example of the Haitian's powers, if it is, indeed, part of his powers. Ultimately, it's speculation, so it was removed. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:36, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Magnetic Wipe

I just had a thought- his powers seem to be a mental version of electromagnetic interference. The telepathy-block seems to be similar to interfering with radio waves, while the is similar to wiping a floppy disk using a magnet. This really doesn't, but it might help to zero in on what his power actually does. Webrunner 13:53, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Hmm, interesting theory. I think we've got a lot to learn about this mysterious power. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:28, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Two For One?

With the obvious exceptions of Peter, Sylar, and possibly Hiro, every 'special' character in this show only gets one power. The Haitian's ability to wipe memories is decidedly different from his ability to block people's powers. How come he gets two completely different abilities? -- ZachsMind 17:23, 23 February 2007 (EST)

  • They're probably two facets of the same power -- altering people's minds to either block access to their powers or to erase their memories (and possibly do other stuff we haven't seen). Similarly, Hiro's got one power (to manipulate space-time) but it has multiple effects.--Hardvice (talk) 18:24, 23 February 2007 (EST)
    • For awhile, I think we had the Haitian listed as having two powers -- I know Hiro was listed as having three powers. But when Bennet told Sylar that all the other evolved humans had only one, we moved to consolidate. That's why we came up with the all-encompassing (though quite bland) "mental manipulation" for the Haitian. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:57, 23 February 2007 (EST)
  • The Haitian's power might be described more specifically as "mental interference", with a couple of applications: scrambling powers that target other people's minds (like Telepathy and Persuasion) as well as messing up people's memories. --Ted C 13:47, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Sylar Wiped?

Regarding "Sylar has a flashback of Charlie and the Burnt Toast Diner, despite having had his memories erased by the Haitian"... when did the Haitian wipe Sylar? Was it in a novelization that I missed, or something? --Ted C 13:47, 28 February 2007 (EST)

  • I think that's speculation. The Haitian and Eden took Sylar after Homecoming, and the Haitian blocked Sylar's powers. I think some believe he wiped his memory. He very well may have, but there's no evidence of that. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:56, 28 February 2007 (EST)
    • Assuming the intended to question Sylar, I would think wiping his memory to be self-defeating -- at least if done before they were through examining him. --Ted C 15:58, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Can't Block Invisibility?

Is it possible that Claude (and to a lesser extent Peter) can realise when they're not invisible.. and the Haitian had merely turned off his power to take them by surprise? If he can block Hiro's power.. Claude's doesn't seem that hard. Just trying to rationalise my belief that Haitian can block all powers :D Puff0rx 09:47, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I think the Haitian blocks all powers too. But I think the main reason Claude and Peter's invisibility weren't blocked is because the Haitian works for Peter's mother, Angela.--Ice Vision 11:48, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
    • The impression I'm getting is that he interferes with people's concentration. Powers that can be "always on" like regeneration and invisibility aren't affected by the Haitian, but powers the more concentration required, the more effectively he blocks them. I've rolled back the certainty on my statements, though. --Ted C 17:48, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
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