Talk:Crumpling

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources	Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources	Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources	Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities	Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities	Descriptions
6. Possessor's name	If no non-speculative description is possible
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Quotation marks?

Like for bliss and horror, perhaps this page should be surrounded with quotation marks, because "crumpling" is the official name, but it isn't a very adequate description. -- LightSpectra 22:00, 25 December 2007 (EST)

• Actually, it is an adequate description. Crumpling is exactly what Marcus does. He crumples objects. --Ice Vision (talk) 22:11, 25 December 2007 (EST)
  • He turned people inside out. What you would expect from "crumpling" is that they'd be smooshed, not inverted. -- LightSpectra 22:23, 25 December 2007 (EST)
    • Correct me if I'm wrong, but those corpses don't look like they've been "turned inside out". The police officer was probably wrong or was just using a figure of speech. The bodies look like they have been literally crumpled, crushed, and dehydrated. Here's a definition of "crumple" from dictionary.com:
      

–verb (used with object)

1. to press or crush into irregular folds or into a compact mass; bend out of shape; rumple; wrinkle.
2. to cause to collapse or give way suddenly: That right hook to the midsection crumpled him.

–verb (used without object)

1. to contract into wrinkles; shrink; shrivel.
2. to give way suddenly; collapse: The bridge crumpled under the weight of the heavy trucks.

It actually fits the power quite well. --Ice Vision (talk) 22:30, 25 December 2007 (EST)

• I agree, I think "crumpling" is a very adequate term to describe what Marcus does, and does not require scare quotes. When the Arizona officer says that "something turned them inside out", I personally read that as a figurative term, not a literal description of the corpses, especially in light of the images Micah Gunnell drew. Kinda like when somebody says they "opened a can of whoopass", nobody is actually getting out a can opener. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:52, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Power names template

I just added the power names template. Since the name comes from a GN and not an episode, it's near-canon and not canon. If it turns out Marcus is one of the villains in volume 3, we could end up renaming this ability but until then I think this name will stick.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2007 (EST)

See Also

Added a "See Also" link to super strength. From what I've seen, they're very nearly the same thing, except for the fact that Marcus's power is apparently only limited to his fingers, and Niki/Jessica/Peter can't turn things inside out. Yet. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 10:39, 26 December 2007 (EST)

• Actually, I don't think they are the same. My theory is that Marcus's ability actually modifies the matter he touches such that it becomes softer, and thus is more easily bent or crushed/crumpled. Niki's ability is an amplification of her own strength. She doesn't alter her surroundings. I realize it's just a theory, but it makes sense to me.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:11, 26 December 2007 (EST)
  • I removed it because it is speculation, as we really have no idea how the power works. -- Lulu .:talk:. 13:50, 26 December 2007 (EST)
  • I didn't say they were the same. I said they were very nearly the same. But whatever... Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 13:53, 26 December 2007 (EST)
    • Implied speculation is still speculation. If several people think it should remain, I won't mind it being there. -- Lulu .:talk:. 14:12, 26 December 2007 (EST)

Scientific name

Not that it matters, but I thought maybe some of you would be interested in knowing that "object deformation" is a form of psychokinesis and the common name for it is "spoon bending".--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:11, 26 December 2007 (EST)

• Even if we had no name and were going to make up our own, psychokinesis seems too broad a term, based on your link, to use for just crumpling. -- Lulu .:talk:. 14:16, 26 December 2007 (EST)
  • I agree, if we were going to use a scientific name, "object deformation" is what I'd suggest. Psychokinesis is definately too broad. I gave the link just so you and others could see that this ability isn't something new. I realize that we're going by a canon-supreme naming system and am not suggesting to do otherwise.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2007 (EST)
    • I too liked the idea of "(object) Deformation" when I saw it, unfortunately we are stuck with crumpling. :[ -- Lulu .:talk:. 14:29, 26 December 2007 (EST)
      • Well, it's better than crunking--that'd be fun to see Marcus do! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:23, 26 December 2007 (EST)

How stupid

Tsk, tsk, Chuck, you really couldn't think of something cooler? Something like magnetic manipulation, or weather control. But crumpling? Lame! "Fear me, for I can crumple things!" --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 19:40, 26 December 2007 (EST)

• Don't blame Micah, he's the artist. The writer of Normal Lives is Chuck Kim, the same writer who came up with The Trial of the Black Bear. Hrm. That said, if Chuck's the only writer left doing graphic novels (he's written the past 3), I'd rather have him do it than to not have any novels at all.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:57, 26 December 2007 (EST)
• My bad. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 20:07, 26 December 2007 (EST)
• The power doesn't appear to have anything to do with magnets or weather, so what are you complaining about? The guy can crumple/compress things, probably by vibrating molecules or something. Crumpling's a simple term everyone can get. --PeterDawson 18:47, 1 January 2008 (EST)