Talk:Empathic manipulation
| Ability Naming Conventions | |
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| The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order: | |
| 1. Canon Sources | Episodes |
| 2. Near-canon Sources | Webisodes, Graphic Novels, iStories, Heroes Evolutions |
3. Secondary Sources |
Episode commentary, Interviews, Heroes: Survival |
| 4. Common names for abilities | Names from other works |
| 5. Descriptions of abilities | Descriptions |
| 6. Possessor's name | If no non-speculative description is possible |
| Source/Explanation | |
| The name "empathic manipulation" was explicitly listed in the January 27, 2009, press release about Syn Anders. | |
User:Shadowulf1 09:33, 28 January 2009 (EST) I think it's a good name, because it may seem like an extension of Persuasion at first, but it must first make physical and emotional contact; that's awesome...
existence of page
I don't really have too strong an opinion about whether or not this page exists, but I think we should discuss it here first. This is a confirmed ability. However, we have never seen it in action. It wouldn't be the first time we have a page for such a situation--an ability that is confirmed, but we haven't seen. Until Sylar, we had never seen Bridget Bailey's clairsentience--we had only taken her word from her emails. We had never seen the Constrictor use his ability--he started to, but if I'm not mistaken, he's never actually used it fully. We don't know the full extent of David's ability because we don't know if he's used it fully or not, and we're not really sure about nerve gas emission (the guy was sweating, but was he emitting nerve gases?)...The point is not to debate those other examples (which may or may not apply to Syn's ability), but to discuss whether or not to include empathic manipulation. My gut says to allow the page since we have so much information about it, but another part of me says that we really don't need the page at all, that it can all be included on Syn's page. I don't know. Any other thoughts? (In the meantime, I'm going to clean up the page so it at least is put to a fair test.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:14, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- Yes, but unlike those examples. we've never even seen Syn use her ability in a graphic novel, webisode, or any other part of Evolutions. We've just been given an AT page for it, nothing else. With bridget we at least got stories of her power use and a picture of a plaque. With Syn we have no examples of it being used. therefore no images to use besides the AT photo, which would be a terrible choice. We really have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise we'll be soon making a page for deoxygenation and the Guyanan local's ability. --Piemanmoo 22:58, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- Neither one of which is a confirmed ability, or for which we have even the slightest bit of information. We have a lot of information and confirmation about Syn's ability. Again, I'm not really for or against the article (though I don't mind it), I'm just putting the opposing arguments out there. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:12, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- I understand, but I feel that until we get any more information about the ability we should leave it at the bottom of the page with the other unconfirmed ones. Any form or story or example outside of the AT would be enough , but as it is right now it's just too bare. --Piemanmoo 23:16, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- I think the assignment tracker is enough to keep the page. It's definitely a confirmed ability, just not a demonstrated one (visually). I guess it's kind of like Bridget's ability, as we have confirmed examples of it being used given OOC, so that should make it exempt from the demonstration requirement, imho. I'm not opposed to getting rid of the page, but it doesn't belong listed with unconfirmed abilities like deoxygenation and the Guyanan's ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- I don't see any problem with keeping it, we are listing what we know, we have been given stories or what the ability does in the assignment tracker. Since we have information on this abilty inlike some others. --posted by Laughingdevilboy
- I think the assignment tracker is enough to keep the page. It's definitely a confirmed ability, just not a demonstrated one (visually). I guess it's kind of like Bridget's ability, as we have confirmed examples of it being used given OOC, so that should make it exempt from the demonstration requirement, imho. I'm not opposed to getting rid of the page, but it doesn't belong listed with unconfirmed abilities like deoxygenation and the Guyanan's ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- I understand, but I feel that until we get any more information about the ability we should leave it at the bottom of the page with the other unconfirmed ones. Any form or story or example outside of the AT would be enough , but as it is right now it's just too bare. --Piemanmoo 23:16, 25 February 2009 (EST)
- Neither one of which is a confirmed ability, or for which we have even the slightest bit of information. We have a lot of information and confirmation about Syn's ability. Again, I'm not really for or against the article (though I don't mind it), I'm just putting the opposing arguments out there. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:12, 25 February 2009 (EST)
Talk 11:50, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- I agree with piemanmoo, it's not really an ability we know enough about yet and it hasn't been demonstrated at any point. If we did we would have to make pages for things like shadow manipulation which are on the AT map. --IronyUTC CH 11:58, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- I disagree, we know far more about empathic manipulation and it is on the assignment tracker, the map has abilities with hardly any information and most are unconfirmed. Empathic mimicry is a confirmed power on a near-cannon source (if I am right in thinking). I really dont see anyharm in keeping this page. --posted by Laughingdevilboy
- I agree with piemanmoo, it's not really an ability we know enough about yet and it hasn't been demonstrated at any point. If we did we would have to make pages for things like shadow manipulation which are on the AT map. --IronyUTC CH 11:58, 26 February 2009 (EST)
Talk 12:45, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- There have been no demonstrations yet, I think this is a bad page. --IronyUTC CH 13:20, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- I would strongly agree with deleting the page. I mean we have never seen the ability, (probably never will, lol) so we should just be patient for the time being --Lolwut 13:00, 1 March 2009 (EST)
- There have been no demonstrations yet, I think this is a bad page. --IronyUTC CH 13:20, 26 February 2009 (EST)
- I think the page needs to STAY. I mean look we got the most ridiculous powers that have only been soon once and we make a page for them. We need to ask yourselves do we make pages for powers we seen, powers we know a lot about, or in both cases? Now the content of this page is well... complete #@!&. It needs a complete rewrite, because if I'm correct it looks like a lot of it is copy and paste from the assignment tracker (which I felt it looked like it was written by a teenage fan boy instead of staying true to the professionalism that we have always seen). --OutbackZack 13:50, 1 March 2009 (EST)