Talk:Invisibility

Quote

I'd appreciate it if someone who recorded the show could double check the quote. --Ted C 23:11, 22 January 2007 (EST)

• Fixed. --Fcphantom 00:08, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Claude/Vagrant

I linked "vagrant" to "Claude", but I'm not putting the name into the article until we hear it on screen. --Ted C 23:13, 22 January 2007 (EST)

We can leave Claude's name as "vagrant", but I think it's okay to call him Claude in general. Even though the name hasn't been revealed on screen, it has been released in other public media. Just my opinion, though. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:37, 22 January 2007 (EST)

I agree, I prefer Claude as well over vagrant. Revealing a name like this isn't spoilerish. Now if we were talking about Mr. Bennet's first name on the other hand... :) (Admin 09:35, 23 January 2007 (EST))

Does anybody else have an opinion this - I'd like to change "vagrant" back to "Claude". Afterall, Nobody ever calls Mr. Bennet by that name on the show as far as I can remember - he's always just "HRG" or "the man with the horn-rimmed glasses" or "Claire's dad". Plus, we include a lot of other little facts about places and people that are not revealed onscreen (Niki's age, for instance, was released in a press packet; we don't limit ourselves to only screenshots of Isaac's paintings - we also use promotional ones.) I say it's okay to call him Claude. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Fine by me, then. --Ted C 15:39, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Sounds good. (Aside: Jackie calls him Mr. Bennet. So does Eden when she introduces him to Isaac. So does Chandra when he calls.)--Hardvice (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Mechanics of Invisibility

• Interesting power Claude has. I don't, however, understand how he was able to pick wallets, etc out of bags sitting right infront of people on several tables without them noticing. Wouldn't those items "float" in the air? Also, what about his clothes? Does his power have some sort of proximity or does he have the ability to consciously makes certain things invisible? Also, how is he able to walk around in crowds like that without anyone "feeling" him. Even invisible, he's going to affect the air, make noise, and such (like when it rains on him). They need to seriously explain his power a little better.- Yoshie (talk) 09:35, 23 January 2007 (EST)
  • Claude seems to be "telepathically invisible", for lack of a better term. He is somehow affecting the minds of other people to keep them from noticing him. I don't think they can hear him either, although they can hear and see incidental effects (like the stuff he knocked over during his struggle with Peter). When Peter is "tuned in" to his power, he sees through the effect; that wouldn't be plausible if Claude were making himself transparent or bending light around himself (either of which would -- technically -- leave Claude blind when using his power). --Ted C 09:40, 23 January 2007 (EST)
    • There's also the thing with Peter. He chased Claude down the street. I assume that at some point he was visible, and then became invisible. So what, no one on the crowded street corner noticed some guy just vanish (while still shouting to another person who was never visible)? - Yoshie (talk) 09:42, 23 January 2007 (EST)
      • If it is a sort of mind-control effect, then it's quite plausible that it makes the disappearance itself unworthy of notice. Also, Peter may have been invisible to others from the moment he first saw Claude. --Ted C 09:45, 23 January 2007 (EST)
        • Perhaps, if it were a sort of suggestion to "ignore" him. But what about when he and Peter were fighting and people were looking right at where they were? I just don't think telepathic invisibility covers everything we saw last night. - Yoshie (talk) 09:56, 23 January 2007 (EST)
          • Not so much an "ignore me" power (makes me think of the "Somebody Else's Problem Field"), but the ability to delete himself from other people's perception, up to a point. He can pick up a wallet without anyone noticing, but he can't knock over a table without creating a commotion, even though bystanders won't know what knocked the table over. --Ted C 10:57, 23 January 2007 (EST)
  • I'm sure we'll find out more soon, but I see a couple of options. Perhaps anything he touches also becomes invisible, so once he grabs a wallet or when he took the cell phone off the table it's invisible and they don't see it until he puts it down. Or perhaps they would have seen it floating as you said. He may just be taking advantage of the fact that people aren't paying attention and are less likely to see something a wallet being taken out if there's not a person standing there doing it. Hard to say for sure yet, but we'll probably find out in the next episode. (Admin 09:45, 23 January 2007 (EST))
    • Invisibility is going to be one of those things like time travel and flight - there's a lot of suspension of belief as to the actual mechanics of it. Hiro might create time paradoxes, Nathan might need to endure high winds and friction, and Claude might make things he touches invisible. Maybe we'll find out, maybe we won't. Hmmm... - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2007 (EST)
      • Well, we already know he makes his clothes invisible, so a small object he picks up, like a wallet, isn't much of a stretch. --Ted C 15:38, 23 January 2007 (EST)
        • True. Now what about the light pole Peter was leaning against when they were arguing? Would that not also "become" invisible or whatever Claude's ability is doing?- Yoshie (talk) 16:49, 23 January 2007 (EST)
          • I'd be inclined to say there must be a limit. We already saw that the table they knocked over didn't become invisible. At present, I think that he can only make something invisible if is carrying it. --Ted C 17:25, 23 January 2007 (EST)
            • Particularly since he's also touching the ground. Otherwise, it would just be silly. I see two likely possibilities: 1) his invisibility extends to whatever (small) objects he's holding or touching or 2)his invisibility extends to whatever he wants it to that he's holding or touching. This works out nicely if it is just a mental power to not be seen.--Hardvice (talk) 17:30, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Sounds

• I took out the comment that this power also keeps people from hearing him. During the struggle between Claude and Peter before they hit the table one of the bystanders starts looking, possibly hearing an argument taking place nearby and not knowing where it's coming from. I'm sure we'll find out for sure in one of the next episodes anyway. (Admin 09:33, 23 January 2007 (EST))

Gallery

• Anyone have a capture of Claude stealing the money from the wallet? --Ted C 16:06, 23 January 2007 (EST)

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Trivia

We need a trivia section -- why would an invisible man need money? Not exactly like he could walk up to a store clerk and buy something, and it's definitely not a morality thing, since he's just pulling it out of people's wallets.

Would explain where my keys got to though. :)

While Claude can presumably walk away with most of the necessities of life (food, drink, etc.), there are some needs and wants that you just can't carry. If he wants a service, for instance, he's going to have to reveal himself and pay for it. --Ted C 15:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Hmm, what do you mean by "service", Ted? Could you please elaborate for us all. hehehe. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:46, 26 January 2007 (EST)

I think he means services like health care, haircuts, counselling, etc, stuff in which a certain level of communication is required. --Reubs1 18:35, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Passive

Oddly enoguh, Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski talk about this in this week's CBR Behind the Eclipse. They basically say Claude has full control over his invisibility, but chooses to remain invisible most of the time.--Hardvice (talk) 17:27, 19 February 2007 (EST)

• Well, I guess we could just say it doesn't require effort or concentration. --Ted C 17:34, 19 February 2007 (EST)

The pole...thing

Claude made it turn invisible. How can we add this into the definition? He can become invisible and make items vanish at his will. --Riddler 23:51, 19 February 2007 (EST)

possible Invisibility error in Unexpected

• I noticed that as Peter throws Claude off the building, Bennet and the Haitian take off the heat sensing goggles. However they appear to see with their own eyes Peter as he flies up into the sky. Did Claude's invisibility stop once he was shot and therefore Peter wasn't mimicking it? It's possible since it's been stated that Claude can choose to be invisible or not. FlyingMan 19:36, 20 February 2007 (EST)
  • That's how I understood it. Sure, it's speculating either way, but I kind of assumed Claude could be visible if he wanted; when he was shot, he wasn't concentrating on being invisible. Or perhaps Bennet and the Haitian saw what they needed to see through the goggles. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:29, 20 February 2007 (EST)
    • That makes sense, Claude definitely wouldn't be focusing on staying invisible during that pain. Either that or maybe the Haitian's ability blocking affects invisibility as well. FlyingMan 22:48, 21 February 2007 (EST)
      • They wouldn't need the googles if the Haitian could disable invisibility. Maybe Peter was too busy thinking about flying to make himself invisible at the same time? --Frantik (Talk) 23:07, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Order of Examples

Examples from Company Man have been entered at the top of the list, putting them effectively in chronological order, but I thought we were ordering such lists by airdate. Which is it? --Ted C 17:30, 27 February 2007 (EST)

• Personally, I think if there is an episode cite, it should go in episode order. Galleries are another situation. However, I'm pretty sure all (or most) examples on the powers pages are chronologically ordered. They need to be standardized one way or the other, doesn't really matter which. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:50, 28 February 2007 (EST)

Time for Examples of Invisibility?

What's our cut-off for an Examples article? Is it number of examples, or number of images? In either case, couldn't we merge the galleries and the examples on these like we did with The Symbol and Isaac's paintings?--Hardvice (talk) 04:20, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

• • I was actually just about to get around to making an examples page today or tomorrow. :) I'm hesitent to merge the galleries and examples because they don't always match up 100%. For instance, the example of when Peter showed up in Nathan's office would be lost since that effect was achieved with camera cuts and not special effects. Unfortunately, the powers differ slightly from the paintings and symbol sightings because the image is not necessarily the example. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:35, 16 March 2007 (EDT)