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Rename?

Okay, "Worse than the boogeyman" is, franky, silly. It woud be much more professional if it was something like "Man watching Molly" or "Molly's enemy" --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 17:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I agree. "Worse than the boogeyman" is ridiculous! It doesn't even convince the reader right away that the article is even about a person. "Man watching Molly" is MUCH better. -- Novajoe23 18:09, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Are we sure it's a "man"? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Molly calls the person "he", so I would assume the person is male.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • "Man watching Molly" makes the guy sound like a pedophile...--Ice Vision 18:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • "Man watching Molly" isn't accurate. She never said he was watching her, but that he could see her if she saw him. --Riddler 19:12, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • How about something simple, like "New Villain" or "Mysterious Bad Man"?--Sauron18 19:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
          • I think the current name is okay for now, but here's my suggestions: Molly's monster... or Monster (reflected clairvoyance).--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
            • Well, as long as we have sufficent redirects, because it took me a long time to find the article. The actual article could be something as simply as "He", or "Him", as long as it's referenced elsewhere and easy to find. --Sauron18 19:51, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
              • There's also "Man who can see Molly" Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 19:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
                • How about Sauron? ;-) In all seriousness, "Man Who Can See Molly" is the best suggestion. It's more specific than "him" and doesn't sound silly like the current title.--Pearse 20:58, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
                  • I added Man (reflected clairvoyance) and Man who can see Molly to the possible nominations. They both fit the form of additions we did as for the unnamed characters from walls. For that GN, we named them by their power (ie. Agent (electromagnetism) and Agent (enhanced speed)).--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
                    • Yes, but, we don't really know if that's his power, so it would be speculation. --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 21:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • "Reflected Clairvoyance" would be sheer speculation. We can't use that.--Riddler 21:56, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • What do you mean speculation? If he can see her when she is seeing him, that means he is reflecting her clairvoyance... but if you think there is speculation as to whether Molly is just imagining his power should we go with the "Man who might be able to see Molly"? Lets keep the current name then, imho.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Just because he can see her doesn't mean he's reflecting her clairvoyance. He could have the power to into a giant rock, for all we know! --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • "He could have the power to into a giant rock". He could have what??? LOL, you lost me there...--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Remember, Clairvoyance is only the term we gave it. Reflected Clairvoyance sounds odd anyway.--Riddler 22:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • My suggestion is "Being who can see Molly" as it's not clear that "Man" or "Monster" would be correct (especially given he is speculated to Uluru, but it is not known), but "who can see Molly" is the clearest way of signifying and identifying what we know about him. Alexwill 22:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

How about we name him "Molly seer"? It's short, simple, and to the point.--Ice Vision 23:00, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

  • That's nice and short, but can we trust Molly's description?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • We don't have anyone else to trust, do we?--Ice Vision 23:21, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Not yet, so that's why I prefer the current name. Describing him by an ability we don't know for certain is wrong, imho, unless we want to guess in which case we should be using proper nomenclature. His very existence is tied to believing it's not just a nightmare Molly has thought up. So if you want short and accurate, how about "Molly's greatest fear"?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:34, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • "Worse Than Sylar" would have been okay, but I absolutely prefer "Molly's Greatest Fear." --Voo
  • Whatever name is chosen, I think an acronym should be made up right away, like how Noah Bennet was often referred to as HRG in the beginning. --Discar

Image

I realize we haven't seen this guy yet. Would an image of Molly talking to Matt about him be appropriate for now? Or is the consensus to leave this without an image for now?--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Identity

  • You all know Molly's talking about Uluru, right? See CBR 22. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:59, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • That would be my theory as well. But since they didn't exactly spell it out in the CBR it remains just a very good theory.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:19, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • I don't exactly feel like reading the whole interview, but could someone kindly tell me where it is? Thanks.--Ice Vision 22:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Here you go:
Jereme Zuanich wants to know if we'll see a resolution to the Uluru character, the big blue rock monster on the cover of Micah's "9 th Wonders" comic. "It was drawn and painted by Isaac and was also on Hiro's screen saver when he first stops time. Will this be a new more serious foe on day, perhaps once our heroes begin to master their abilities? Is there any chance this monster actually exists, or is he a manifestation of something else?"
There will be some hint of the Uluru mystery before the end of the season. Uluru means a lot of things to a lot of people. It might not refer to a person, but rather a concept. One of our favorite CBR readers wrote a very interesting theory about Uluru and the connection to the Aborgine dreamtime myths and theory. Is Uluru a person? Or is Uluru an ability? Or a concept? We'll see.

--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

  • That personally tells me nothing concrete at all that Molly is referring to Uluru. It's just an ambiguous 'uh-oh' thing. Plus if Molly is going to call Sylar a boogeyman she'd probably say 'a big rock guy can see me'. OUChevelleSS 19:10, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Thank you so much. I appreciate it.--Ice Vision 22:53, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Why do we need this, exactly?

  • This whole article feels pretty premature. It's pretty much just here for the quote, which is way too long anyway. I'm not sure we need an article for this (or a protracted argument about what to call it) just yet.--Hardvice (talk) 23:30, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I'll second the nomination to delete it--for now.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:50, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
      • Thirded. Makes sense to me. --Riddler 23:57, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
  • It is an integral piece of the current Heroes puzzle, though. I feel like deleting this page, though information is scarce, is a jump that should not be made. --Zenebas 01:05, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Everything we currently know about this individual can be summed up on the episode page, though. We don't even have any independent corroboration that this character actually exists, apart from the beliefs of a scared little girl who refers to the main Season One villain as "the boogeyman". Chances are good we'll have enough information to start an article that isn't so ... pointless ... come the first episode of next season.--Hardvice (talk) 02:11, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree that deleting is a bad idea. Clearly, this character will be very significant, and what information is known now should be here. Alex W (talk) 10:22, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • If anyone's counting votes, mine would be to keep the page. There are entries of similar size about far less important characters as this and people reading the wiki will be looking for any information about this man, whatever we decide upon calling him. There's already the speculation that the character is Uluru, and there's bound to be more details over the next few months, so the page could be quite helpful.--Pearse 13:04, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I agree that an article like this will be helpful, but until "Volume Two," I don't think we need this article.
As far as the Uluru speculation goes, I'd imagine, even in the Heroes World, that "giant rock-monsters" don't exist. In my humble opinion, I think Uluru was just a vision 'Isaac' had while he was high and his power got the better of him.
Of course, the show does need an antagonist (or two) for the second season. But I think that, while this article could (and probably will) be very necessary during the episode Generations (September, 2007), it just doesn't need to exist right now.

— Rewind, 6:52 UTC; Wednesday, May 23, 2007

  • I say not to delete it because it almost reveals a whole nother evil, something the Heroes could be afraid of and a mystery. I say keep it. What does it hurt by leaving it? Jason Garrick 15:54, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
  • People are already linking to it externally, so let's keep it. Plus it sounds like this will be an important part of things to come, so people are interested in knowing any information about it already. I'm not a huge fan of the name, but I can't really think of anything better. (Admin 16:00, 23 May 2007 (EDT))

Vote on rename?

I think there should be a vote on renaming the article. The two I think are the best are "Being who can see Molly" (which was mine) and "Molly's Greatest Fear", but there were others in contention. I'm not sure how such things are done here: I'm guessing similar to wikipedia but slightly different, so if an admin wants to get this started the way things are usualyl done, I think that would be good. Alex W (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

I'm proposing a voting system. The name gets one bullet. Add your name after it with two bullets if it's your vote. Hopefully, this will make counting workable --Ted C 16:13, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Come on people, we need votes! :D --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 20:04, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I would say we have enough votes now. Should we close the voting and move the page? --Heroe!(talk) (contribs) 22:06, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Enough votes? It's a tie: Ryan is neutral (voted for both); MGF has Ted, myself, Voo, Ice Vision; BWCSM has Heroe, Alexwill, Pearse, Kschang. Does Admin want to weigh in on this?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:35, 27 May 2007 (EDT)


  • Molly's greatest fear
    • --Ted C 16:13, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --MiamiVolts (talk) 16:19, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
    • This one works so long as it's "Molly's greatest fear". — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:43, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
      • On second thought, she never says it's her greatest fear--that's assumed. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:50, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
        • Note that I would accept 'Being Molly fears' but saying the being can 'see' Molly is just as much an assumption as saying it's her greatest fear, imho. Can we stop playing name switcharoo and leave the original name for now, please?--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
          • Well, she says he can see her, but she never actually says she's fearful of him. I'm sure she is, but that's still assumed. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
            • I think she's mentioning him because she fears him too, so I still prefer MGF. But check out this link to the recap. It says that Molly "cautions" of an even worse villain that "knows" when she's thinking about him. And it leaves out whether-or-not the villain can "see" her. Dare I suggest "Molly's villain" or "Villain Molly knows"? We only know of his existence due to Molly.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
              • I think that recap is in accurate. In the episode Molly clearly says she doesn't want to think about him because when she does "he can see me". Alex W (talk) 11:41, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
                • The recap is a canon source: it's not inaccurate. It may be incomplete but it does hint at the possibility that he can't actually "see" Molly, but simply "knows" when she is thinking about him. You didn't like "Molly's villain?" as a name? ;)--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --Lotrabc 13:09, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --Fystlotra69 17:17, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --I Live In Your Closet 13:46, 28 May 2007
    • --Lastword2 17:45, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Being who can see Molly
    • -- FrenchFlo (talk)        16:00, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
    • -- Heroe
    • -- Alex W (talk) 08:35, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
    • This is also acceptable. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:43, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I'd prefer "person" or "man". "Being" seems to imply they might not be human, and I don't see Heroes having aliens or supernatural creatures. Still gets my vote though.--Pearse 14:06, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
    • I prefer this to others, as it shows the WHY, not the effects. Others only show effects. Perhaps, change it to "Being who can sense Molly"? -- Kschang 21:29, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
    • --Bob 04:24, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Molly's fear
  • Leave it alone
    • This is Molly's wording, not ours. Disney42 00:01, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
      • If you want to get technical, "worse than the boogeyman" is actually never said by Molly. But even still, it's an adjectival phrase, not a noun, like all our other character names. It simply doesn't fit with our naming conventions. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Molly Greatest Fear!
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