Talk:Maya Herrera

Known power

I'm confused on something. On the "known power" space, it says Maya's power is "none". However, we know she has a power, we just don't know exactly what it is. So is her known power still "none"? --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 20:21, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

• Right, if we take into account spoiler info, we could add her to the evolved human category but since the exact power is not known, "known power" should be "none". Minus spoilers, also, we don't know she has a power. She could simply have a virus similar to one described in Chandra's book.--MiamiVolts (talk) 20:42, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
• You said it yourself, Heroe: we don't know what her power is. So she has no known power. Confusing, I agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:08, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Shouldn't it make more sense to put "unknown" rather than "none"? When you use "none", it seems to state that she doesn't have a power at all, which isn't true. -- Reubs1 03:42, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • She doesn't have an "unknown known power". She has no "known power". Ergo, "none".--Hardvice (talk) 03:48, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
• I've updated it on the theory we know she has the power to kill people, even though we don't know almost nothing about how she kills people. --Ted C 10:07, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • On a related note, would we want to create a page called Hana's power, to be renamed later when we know more about it? --Ted C 10:09, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Don't you mean Maya's Power? You could make a user sub page. I would like to see it. -Lөvөl 04:31, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

I have thought the way we use the 'known power' box is confusion as well. This option is really has a tri-phased answer, and the way it is designed presently, it is can only handle a two-phased answer (Y/N). What if we changed the label to just say: "power:" (removing the 'known'); and then we only support 3 answers.

1) power: none (no power exists) or

2) power: Flight (a power exists, and we have agreed upon its name) or

3) power: uncertain (a power exists, but we are yet uncertain of its name...and their might be a better word than uncertain, but the premise it conveys should show a yet-to-be-named power definately exists)

This tri-phase approach would remove the confusion, and we would know for every person, whether or not they have a power, and if it is certain, what that power is. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 10:17 (EST)

• That would be an acceptable solution to me. --Ted C 13:04, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • I like HiroDynoSlayer's solution, but it opens debate on whom we are sure is an evolved human. ie. is Charles Deveaux evolved? I'm okay with that, but I think that's the main reason this was not previously changed as HDS is now suggesting.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:21, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • "Uncertain" actually allows more leeway than HiroDynoSlayer suggests, since it can be used for characters who may or may not have a power, although there is reason to think they do. You could also use "uncertain" for people about whom we suspect a power without being sure, and using "undefined" for characters we know have a power without knowing what it does. --Ted C 13:25, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Right. The extra "leeway" is exactly the reason I think this was not done before. The tradeoff is clarity for certainty, and we should let the other admin voice their opinion; though, don't get me wrong--I do like the idea, I'm just playing a little devil's advocate here so we don't get our hopes up too soon that this will get changed.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:36, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
        • Maybe 'Undefined' is a better term than 'Uncertain' to describe the 3rd phase of 'Yes, they have a power, we just aren't ready to name it yet' case. Maya is the best current example, we know she has a power, we just haven't come up with a name for it yet. Here power isn't none, but it is Undefined. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 14:37 (EST)
          • I'm beginning to think the solution I implemented is the best: a short statement of what we know. We know she has a power and that it can kill people, but that's about all we know. --Ted C 11:04, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
• In Today's "The Daily News", there was a section of interviewing with Dania Ramírez. Although she wouldnt spill the beans on maya's powers, she did say "Trust me, you don't want to make her cry". Maybe her tears release an aromatic virus? Divinebaboon 22:36, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
• The trouble is, the minute we change from "known power" to "power", everybody who hasn't displayed a power becomes "uncertain". You can never prove that somebody doesn't have a power. Rufus could have a power. The bus driver could have a power. Mr. Muggles could have a power. That's precisely the reason we don't categorize into "people who have a power" and "people who don't have a power", but rather into "people who have displayed a power" and "people who haven't displayed a power" -- in other words, people who have or don't have a known power. And technically, Maya doesn't have a known power. It's possible (though contradicted by every shred of available evidence) that she has no power whatsoever. Consider this: Alejandro has the power, when separated from his sister by more than a hundred yards, to summon magical pixies at her location that turn all of a person's body fluids into 10W30. Now there's absolutely no reason to suppose this is true, but it's certainly not disproven by anything we've seen. Alejandro and Maya believe she has a power, and when Alejandro was not present (and Maya was conveniently off camera), something caused an entire truck load of people to die a very sticky death. But we can't even assume that this is a result of Maya's power (though it almost certainly is), because we didn't see her use a power. The only three-way classification that's even vaguely plausible is "people who haven't displayed a power", "people who have displayed a power", and "people who haven't displayed a power but we're really pretty sure they probably have one", and that's just silly and largely arbitrary.--Hardvice (talk) 05:06, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Agreed. I think the problem is some users want to spread speculation via the infobox, but it's not the place to do it. More than likely, Maya has an ability and Alejandro has one as well that neutralizes it (based on their dialogue and spoilers) but until we actually see Maya's ability in action versus the effects of it, then we don't know she actually is an EH.--Bob 05:38, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
    • That's my guess, too. (Another fun possibility: they both have the same power, but just cancel each other out when together--after all, we've only seen Maya on her own around other people.) Still ... imagine those 10W30 pixies, eh?--Hardvice (talk) 05:47, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Actually, Tim Kring just said in an interview, "Alejandro has the power of summoning oil fairies." I'll have to get back to you with a link later. :) ... I think it's important for all of us to remember that Heroes Wiki is primarily a site for reporting, cataloging, and classifying things that have occurred in the Heroes world. Now, we're also a fan site, and people (myself included) have some great theories--and Heroes lends itself to great speculation. But there's a place for strict reporting, and for fun speculation--the infobox and main namespace is not the place for taking really good guesses or for saying "this prolly happen'd." It's a fine line, difficult to see at times, and one of the main reasons we're so quickly approaching 100,000 edits. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Reflections on Four Months Later

I think she has the power to explode people's brains. Or something.--IMax 00:55, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

• As Hardvice mentioned on the episode page, until we witness the use of her power, we can't name it, but my guess is that she is altering the makeup of people's blood stream (thus the black-colored blood; the GN Maya and Alejandro showed with the autopsy that the black fluid is not limited to the eyes/face, but is in the chest cavity as well).--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:02, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Spoiler Tags Still Necessary?

We now know that Maya and Alejandro are characters, even if we don't know that they'll be on the show without spoiling it. I think we took Hana's spoiler tag off when her first comic was released, so why not these two? --AvadaNella 00:41, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

• The main reason is that unlike the Hana graphic novel, this graphic novel didn't confirm their identities so that's still a spoiler. On a related note, if the article is despoiled we should swap in the graphic novel photos for their portraits, but we don't have to do that yet cause the characters were not officially introduced in the graphic novel.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:58, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Exactly. Hana's was a different case, because she was introduced as a graphic novel character first, and there had been no spoiler article for her. It wasn't until much later that she became an episodic character. These characters were first identified as episodic spoilers, then introduced as GN characters, and will eventually be seen as episodic characters. Now, had the characters been explicitly identified in the GN, we'd be in the curious position of making a spoiler character into a GN character and then into an episodic character, but since they weren't explicitly identified, they should remain spoiler characters.--Hardvice (talk) 03:04, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Ah, I gotcha. Sorry if I came off with a little "do-it-like-this-or-it'll-be-wrong" attitude. =P --AvadaNella 00:27, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Not at all. We all just like to give very detailed answers sometimes to help clarify things. :) (Admin 00:32, 20 September 2007 (EDT))

Maya's Power Name

Can we come up with a name for her ability? Could we start with something simple like, Viral Poisoning (since the GN uses the phrase these people were poisoned by somebody and it says the ability to host a deadly virus? At least that would allow us to get her catalogued and listed, and if we need to tweak the name later, it would all be in place. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 10:45 (EST)

• Not until we see her use her power. I think it's not a bad idea, though, if we want to talk about what it could be. You're right about my deriving the name viral poisoning from the graphic novel. :)--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:03, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

TV Guide called it an instantaneously killing vrius, jsut my 2 cents. Dean Harper 18:29, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

I came up with the name Poison eye. I don't think it's particularly descriptive, but it sounds cool. :) --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 19:32, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

• Yeah, I agree with Miami. In the powers section I just wrote down what best I could. I don't think we could write anything until further episodes. And I can guess we'll being see more of Maya. I personally, in theory think she has a Feral Transformation and can petrify people. Jason Garrick 22:15, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Personally I think its some sort of virus/posion creation that kills anyone, but until we actually see it all we can do it theorize.--The Empath 21:53, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
    • I have a suggestion - call it "contamination". --DocM 12:06, 28 September 2007 (EDT)

Description of powers

The Powers section on this page needs a bit of tweaking. Besides being partly written in the wrong person, I'm not entirely sure that "there are many hints that you do not want to upset Maya or something bad will happen." There's also a bit of speculation that needs to be adjusted. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:05, 28 September 2007 (EDT)