Talk:Mental manipulation

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December 2006-December 2007

Could the Hatian's ability of memory manipulation be his only power?

I think that something like neurocognitive deficit is too wordy, although i think mental manipulation is an inaccurate term, its one that is not as wordy.

Could perhaps that the Haitian's blocking ability is related to his memory erasure, like the Haitian makes the mind forget they either had an ability or know how to use it subconsciously. horrorman 20:47, 11 December 2007 (EST)

• They're definitely related somehow. People certainly don't forget that they have powers, since many of them try to use them in his presence. It's possibly he's instead causing them to forget how to activate their powers; however, were that the case, it seems likely that the effect would be permanent, like his memory erasures. Instead, the effect only lasts while they are in his presence.--Hardvice (talk) 22:59, 11 December 2007 (EST)

It's seems to make memories forget permanently he must be in physical contact range to do so i.e. with his hand over their eyes. But perhaps with abilities he can induce an electrical signal of sorts sometimes unwittingly as we see with his father that makes the subconscious deactivate the triggering mechanism. It doesn't affect inherit powers either because he allows them to be active, or due to their passive nature and therefore not requiring concentration he cannot shut off the trigger. horrorman 23:03, 11 December 2007 (EST)

• • I think that his ability is MEMORY DELETION. He seems to require physical contact to make the forgetting permanent but at a distance especially with evolved humans he makes them forget the subconscious triggers of their powers. Passive powers are simply activated constantly in the conscious mind and it requires no triger so he [The Haitian] cannot negate it. And for active powers if you struggle hard enough (causing injury or nosebleeds(Fallout)).horrorman 12:00, 12 December 2007 (EST)
    • Consider this analogy that, while complete speculation, may help understand how The Haitian's power could work. I don't know how many people have ever tried placing a magnet near a CRT television (which are becoming less and less common nowadays), but a magnet will discolor the image (don't try this out on a good television, please). If you leave the magnet close to the television for too long the discoloration becomes permanent. His powers may work in a similar way. He may be able to interfere with the part of the brain that manifests the abilities. When he erases memories he could be using more intensity so that the interference leaves a permanent effect (like the magnet above). If his power works along these lines there are some interesting possibilities... could he kill someone by interfering with autonomic parts of the brain? It's interesting (albeit complete speculation on my part). (Admin 12:29, 12 December 2007 (EST))

I think this may be true, he seems ot have caused significant brain damage to Mrs. Bennet such as a hemorrage and complete memory loss at times. He must use a sort of electrical signal to kill the brain cells.

horrorman 12:44, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Could the Haitians ability be lethal?

• The Haitian was able to turn his villagers into mindless zombies by simply reaching in and taking their memories. Could he perhaps erase the brains capability of working, killing them?

horrorman 18:17, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Remove rename

• So are we all in agreement that there's not enough evidence to say that "neurocognitive deficit" is explicitly a reference to the Haitian's power and/or its effects? If so, we should remove the rename.--Hardvice (talk) 02:19, 13 December 2007 (EST)
  • I am. that change would have been an eyesore. Although to me it would be like that time the Anaheim Angels thought they changed their name to The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:35, 13 December 2007 (EST)
    • Yeah, there's no evidence neurocognitive deficit is related. I pulled the rename template.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:42, 13 December 2007 (EST)

"Call in a Nullifier! Call in the Haitian!"

Nullification? As of the newest Graphic Novel, at least. --Riddler 04:12, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

• Unfortunately, the comment isn't the same as explicitly saying the Haitian's ability is "ability nullification". The Haitian can both nullify abilities and erase memories, so that's why we have mental manipulation. I see what you're saying, though. See talk:constriction for a similar discussion.--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:39, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
• When it comes to this ability name I'd really like to see the writers (or an actual episode of the show) give us a name for it. It's an ability we've seen for so long and is complicated to completely qualify with a single term so it'd be nice to have an authoritative source explicitly name it. An assignment tracker page would be fantastic. (hint hint) (Admin 10:43, 15 July 2008 (EDT))
• One could say he nullifies the target's memory. Also, the debate has been going on for so long now, if a profile was created, odds are the writers would just call it mental manipulation, like what happened with mediumship. --Yamawhata? 17:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Mediumship? Huh? RD Hall called it that before we even really had the page created. In fact, he sent me an email after our interview and asked me if we had created the page yet. By coincidence, we had used the same name he said. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:50, 2 September 2008 (EDT)