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Google translations
- How would people feel if I just took Google Translations out of the sidebar completely? We've got a number of localized wikis already even though only a few of them are being actively updated. The quality of the Google translations is pretty poor and might even be distracting people from wanting to work on the localized wikis. People would naturally still be able to go directly to Google and translate the site from there, but I'm thinking we may be better off not making the Google translations so prominant. Plus it'll help unclutter the sidebar a little. Any thoughts? (Admin 21:12, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- At the same time, I can move the "in other languages" portlet up right below the sidebar in its place so that on pages where we have localized versions it will display those links. (Admin 21:16, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- Right, instead of just removing it maybe you can consider adding it to Heroes Wiki:Languages and adding a 'Translations' link to the sidebar as was done at Bionic Wiki.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:20, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- To be honest, the Google translations are so poor that I'm happy to just get rid of them entirely. If people use Google or Altavista or something built into their browser, then great. If not then I don't think offering them Google translations is really helping out that much considering just how unreadable the translated text is. MiamiVolts, have you tried translating the site into Spanish using Google and seeing how accurate it is by any chance? Is it understandable or just aweful? (Admin 21:24, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- So it's better to have nothing at all for the languages we don't have wiki's for? It's not perfect, but it's not so terrible either that it doesn't help. I think it helps more than you realize. For those that don't understand english, it's probably better than nothing. It also helps vice versa, and I've been using it on occasion to translate to/from Spanish words I don't know or have forgotten. If it's a very long page, I might translate it first to get a gist of it. You might also check with the users on the French, Spanish and Portugese wikis as they are doing a lot of translating and it might be helping them to do their translations.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:34, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- People are still able to use Google translations by going directly to Google, I just don't know if having the links so prominently on the site is helping or hurting. People may see them and assume that the issue of translating the articles is solved already. It could be discouraging people from contributing on the other wikis. At the same time, you could be right and it might be helping people. All the feedback I've gotten so far about the Google translations has been negative so far so I'm not sure if they're very valuable as a sidebar item anymore. Of course, I'm interested in hearing opinions. I can always change it back if we want. (Admin 21:44, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- I think you misunderstood me, then. I'm fine with them not being a sidebar item, and in fact I didn't like them there. However, I do think they should remain "in" the site. So that's why I'm suggesting to add a link to 'Heroes Wiki:Languages' in the sidebar and re-add the autotranslator links there so people can know that both the autotranslator and the alternate language sites exist.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- That sounds good to me. (Admin 22:14, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- I think you misunderstood me, then. I'm fine with them not being a sidebar item, and in fact I didn't like them there. However, I do think they should remain "in" the site. So that's why I'm suggesting to add a link to 'Heroes Wiki:Languages' in the sidebar and re-add the autotranslator links there so people can know that both the autotranslator and the alternate language sites exist.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- People are still able to use Google translations by going directly to Google, I just don't know if having the links so prominently on the site is helping or hurting. People may see them and assume that the issue of translating the articles is solved already. It could be discouraging people from contributing on the other wikis. At the same time, you could be right and it might be helping people. All the feedback I've gotten so far about the Google translations has been negative so far so I'm not sure if they're very valuable as a sidebar item anymore. Of course, I'm interested in hearing opinions. I can always change it back if we want. (Admin 21:44, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- So it's better to have nothing at all for the languages we don't have wiki's for? It's not perfect, but it's not so terrible either that it doesn't help. I think it helps more than you realize. For those that don't understand english, it's probably better than nothing. It also helps vice versa, and I've been using it on occasion to translate to/from Spanish words I don't know or have forgotten. If it's a very long page, I might translate it first to get a gist of it. You might also check with the users on the French, Spanish and Portugese wikis as they are doing a lot of translating and it might be helping them to do their translations.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:34, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- To be honest, the Google translations are so poor that I'm happy to just get rid of them entirely. If people use Google or Altavista or something built into their browser, then great. If not then I don't think offering them Google translations is really helping out that much considering just how unreadable the translated text is. MiamiVolts, have you tried translating the site into Spanish using Google and seeing how accurate it is by any chance? Is it understandable or just aweful? (Admin 21:24, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- I have no problem getting rid of the Google translations. (Though while we're on the subject of the sidebar, we should probably capitalize "Heroes merchandise", and make it italicized, if at all possible.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:21, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Actually, MediaWiki automatically converts the labels to lowercase and it's probably not worth the trouble to modify the code. (Admin 22:29, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- That's kinda what I figured. When I tried to fiddle with it awhile ago, nothing worked. I just wasn't sure if it was my lack of knowledge or MediaWiki's lack of flexibility. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:31, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Calling the link 'Translations' makes more sense to me than Languages. Languages could just be a list of the languages spoken in Heroes the series. Can you change it?--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:46, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- That makes sense to me. I'll change it. If there's some reason I'm overlooking, Admin, please change it back. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:56, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Calling the link 'Translations' makes more sense to me than Languages. Languages could just be a list of the languages spoken in Heroes the series. Can you change it?--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:46, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- That's kinda what I figured. When I tried to fiddle with it awhile ago, nothing worked. I just wasn't sure if it was my lack of knowledge or MediaWiki's lack of flexibility. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:31, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- Actually, MediaWiki automatically converts the labels to lowercase and it's probably not worth the trouble to modify the code. (Admin 22:29, 21 September 2007 (EDT))
- Right, instead of just removing it maybe you can consider adding it to Heroes Wiki:Languages and adding a 'Translations' link to the sidebar as was done at Bionic Wiki.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:20, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Google Translations Bug?
- Thanx, Ryan. BTW: Did I port something wrong with the links? There's a couple bugs I'm trying to figure out. The accented characters are printing correctly for me for Google translations on Bionic Wiki but here they show as gibberish. Also, the "Automatically translated" frame at the top keeps being removed.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:53, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
- No problem. I have no idea why those things are happening. I'm heading to bed in a few minutes, though, so I don't really have time to look at it now. Plus, I'm kind of ignorant when it comes to those questions. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:00, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
- I just double-checked by entering both site's addresses manually at Google translate, and I get the same results, so it's not a template problem, it's a server option problem.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
- The "automatically translated" frame disappearing at the top is expected. Can you give me an example of where the foreign characters aren't being displayed properly? Using Google Translate there shouldn't really be anything specific to the site that would affect the display of foreign characters. If you can give me a link that doesn't appear to be working for you that'd be helpful. Also perhaps a screenshot of what you're seeing specifically. (Admin 01:18, 22 September 2007 (EDT))
- I just double-checked by entering both site's addresses manually at Google translate, and I get the same results, so it's not a template problem, it's a server option problem.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
- No problem. I have no idea why those things are happening. I'm heading to bed in a few minutes, though, so I don't really have time to look at it now. Plus, I'm kind of ignorant when it comes to those questions. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:00, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
- Ok, screenshots have been sent by e-mail. It is a weird bug, imho. It works with the frame, but not without.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:07, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
- This only appears to be a problem in Internet Explorer and isn't limited to just this site. If you use Google Translate to translate http://cnn.com for instance it looks fine in IE until you remove the frame at the top, then the characters get all messed up. In Firefox it comes up fine. It looks like a problem with Google's tool. The Heroes Wiki automatically breaks out of any frames which is why the characters look strange by default. We're just going to have to wait for Google to fix their tool or switch the translations so they use Altavista Babel Fish instead. (Admin 10:23, 22 September 2007 (EDT))
- So I changed us over to Altavista Babelfish. Yahoo has a Babel Fish translator too, but they use an ip instead of a name address. The font is a little bigger than with Google translations, but I'd rather have bigger font than gibberish text.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
- This only appears to be a problem in Internet Explorer and isn't limited to just this site. If you use Google Translate to translate http://cnn.com for instance it looks fine in IE until you remove the frame at the top, then the characters get all messed up. In Firefox it comes up fine. It looks like a problem with Google's tool. The Heroes Wiki automatically breaks out of any frames which is why the characters look strange by default. We're just going to have to wait for Google to fix their tool or switch the translations so they use Altavista Babel Fish instead. (Admin 10:23, 22 September 2007 (EDT))
2.01 Four Months Later
This just aired, where is everyone?! --SacValleyDweller 01:20, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
- Out on the west coast, perhaps. :) It finished on the east coast 3 hours ago. (Admin 01:22, 25 September 2007 (EDT))
- I'm on the east coast, too, but after watching JourneyMan now I got to come back and watch a YamagatoFellowship video and a new Hana video. Heroes 360 galore!--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:45, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
- I slapped something together on that new Hana post, but the video in it needs massively better translation services than my 2-years-and-counting rusty 3 years of Spanish can render on speach.--SacValleyDweller 02:05, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
- I'm on the east coast, too, but after watching JourneyMan now I got to come back and watch a YamagatoFellowship video and a new Hana video. Heroes 360 galore!--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:45, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
Character Histories
How are we going to put Season One and Season Two into the sections in Character Histories? The issue is trying to work around the fact that we can't squeeze an H2 or H3 "Season #" heading between an H2 "Character History" and an H3 episode title. I'm certainly not in favor of changing every character page (and item and event and place page, for that matter) to fix the headings. :) So here are a few choices:
Leave the seasons and the episodes both as H3:
==Character History== ===[[Season One]]=== <summary> ===[[Season Two]]=== ===[[Four Months Later]]=== <summary>
Put seasons and Character History as H2:
==Character History== ==[[Season One]]== <summary> ==[[Season Two]]== ===[[Four Months Later]]=== <summary>
Put summarized seasons as H3 and current season as H3:
==Character History== ===[[Season One]]=== <summary> ==[[Season Two]]== ===[[Four Months Later]]=== <summary>
Leave off current season, and keep summarized season as H2:
==Character History== ===[[Season One]]=== <summary> ===[[Four Months Later]]=== <summary>
Personally, I'd go with the last choice. I'd leave the everything as it is, and just not include the "Season Two" heading until after it's summarized. Not only is it the easiest choice (fewest changes to articles), I also think it's the most aesthetic choice. Then the History (H2) is broken down into a summary for Season One (H3) and a summary for each each episode (also H3). When we're in the middle of Season Three, it would carry through, and would still be easy and good-looking. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
Advertising Slogans
So, I was thinking we might come up with a slogan for our Wiki to put in mine and other's sigs for when we post on other forums as an ad. Here's some I've come up with. I'm not sure which is best. Feel free to add on, correct, or let me know it's just plain too corny... ;)
- BionicWiki.com and HeroesWiki.com--making the Wiki world a little larger
- Bionic Wiki and Heroes Wiki--building a fan-run community together
- Bionic Wiki and Heroes Wiki--fan run and fan built community sites
- Bionic Wiki and Heroes Wiki--theories, spoilers, synopsis & other Wiki magic
- Bionic Wiki and Heroes Wiki--not forums, they're a Wiki phenomenon--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:50, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
Chronological Order
I think that most pages should be written in chronological order rather than an episode-by-episode guide. For example, it would be better to say in the right beginning of the Claire Bennet page that her mother is Meredith Gordon and her father is Nathan Petrelli, how she was saved from the fire and given to Noah Bennet rather than breaking down the whole information, saying that in Genesis her foster parents are Mr. Bennet and Sandra Bennet, then in The Fix her mother was revealed to be Meredith Gordon, then in the episode Distractions her father is revealed to be Nathan Petrelli, then in Company Man she was revealed to be given to Noah Bennet. Readers can scan through unwanted information through the chronological biography. The episode-by-episode guide can still be kept for readers who want no spoilers or information from an episode.
For other pages that the chronological order cannot be applied, it should be changed into other formats. For example, for the article Suicide, it should be done character-by-character, as Peter's "suicide attempt" arcs through at least 3 episodes (Genesis - One Giant Leap). Again, readers will be more comfortable reading the whole incident under one topic rather than finding different fragments of the same incident through different episodes subtopic. Chrisyu357 11:19, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Fixed bug breaking section editing when transcluding templates with sections
- Well, the title pretty much says it all even if it's a mouth full. If you've ever tried transcluding a template that has sections in it you may have noticed that when you subsequently tried to edit a section in the article you'd either get an error that the section didn't exist or it'd have you editing the wrong section. Unbeknownst to me until I figured it out today this was being caused by a modification I made a long time ago to automatically convert two dashes automatically into —. Now that this is fixed you'll find that section editing now works properly again even when templates define their own sections. In addition if you edit a section that has been transcluded it will take you to the section in the template itself so you can edit the appropriate content. (Admin 17:19, 13 October 2007 (EDT))