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WHOA.

So, mid-episode thought, but does anyone get the feeling that the telekinetic guy who attacked Noah in 1985 might be someone we've seen before? Sure looks like him, and it would damn well explain a lot. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:17, 1 February 2010 (EST)

• Apparently his name is "Richard". Neeevermind. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:29, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Did... did they...

Did they just retcon 'Company Man'?--Gibbeynator 21:42, 1 February 2010 (EST)

• Actually I don't think so: they show Bennet's being approached by The Company and then afterwards. They never reshow that part from Company Man and to me it still fits in.--WarGrowlmon18 21:44, 1 February 2010 (EST)
  • According to the page here, the earliest point in Company Man was 15 years before the then present story, while a good chunk of this story takes place over 20 years before.--Gibbeynator 21:54, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Now Now

• I really loved this episode, and now that the Carnival is going to New York, does anyone else see the little futures we have seen are going to become one be future for example Sylar being Good, and a Earth being blow-wen up, and Specials being hunt etc if they pull this oh my god--Skyeatsout 22:06, 1 February 2010 (EST)

eli, you cocky fool

Yes, good luck trying to stop peter and sylar. The 2 most powerful specials. R.I.P. Eli. We hardly knew ye.Gamerelite1 22:08, 1 February 2010 (EST)

• I was just thinking that. Sylar is, well, god, and Peter can do whatever Sylar can. Eli's toast.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:09, 1 February 2010 (EST)
  • Did Eli ever meet Sylar? If he did, all he knew was that he could use some low-level telekinesis and electricity - he barely utilized his powers at all while he was in the carnival.--NovaX81 22:13, 1 February 2010 (EST)
    • Yeah I don't think eli has ever met them. Ergo, he has no idea the horrible, horrible rape about to befall him.Gamerelite1 22:14, 1 February 2010 (EST)
      • I think they're trying to set up Sylar as someone who's not going to kill anymore.--Gibbeynator 22:17, 1 February 2010 (EST)
        • That doesn't mean he won't defend his life though.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:20, 1 February 2010 (EST)
          • Eli's an idiot. Maybe Sylar and Peter can finally put a stop to him. I don't like that guy. All Peter has to do is replicate one of Sylar's major powers (he no longer needs telepathy now that he's freed Sylar) and the two will kick some serious ass. Peter and Sylar working together........... oh can't wait to see that fight and Eli obviously loses given Sylar shows up to save Emma. Maybe Peter will be able to replicate all of Sylar's abilities now that he has more time to try to do that and will regain at least some of his former power. Maybe Peter will finally get to kill someone on purpose and finally put an end to Eli himself. I had so wanted him to be the one to kill Arthur Petrelli.--WarGrowlmon18 22:23, 1 February 2010 (EST)
            • • Maybe peter will try using telepathy to make the clones fall asleep n then it'll be revealed the clones dont have minds and sylar will have to do all the work.daevon 22:26, 1 February 2010 (EST)

One of the best episodes ever?

I was so amazed by tonight's episode I was able to look over the tired metaphor of a wall as a personal barrier. Personally, I love any episode where Peter and Sylar are buddies, but this episode had some superb acting and Noah and Claire fate is quite ominous. What does everyone else think?--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 22:08, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Loved it myself, personally I cant help but wonder 'how long will Eli's clones last against both Peter and Sylar'.My guess, not long. -- Tbora 22:19, 1 February 2010 (EST)

It was alright, like a 3.9 out of 5. Kind of slow in the beginning, but picked up right at the end. daevon 22:23, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The Wall (the one in the episode) and what it represented

I think the wall was created by Peter's own fears of letting Sylar go, at least his subconcious fear and most likely anger. It manifested as a wall that blocked them from escaping and it obviously wasn't put there by Matt given what happened. Notice how once Peter accepted Sylar's changed and maybe forgave him at least a bit, the wall was easily broken. I think that was him letting go of that subconious fear and anger that was blocking him.--WarGrowlmon18 22:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

• Yep. I believe you said it fairly accurately.--Halfxwitted 22:32, 1 February 2010 (EST)

• • Well when you consider that even when Sylar fully went at berserk at the wall it did not come down, and that when Peter did forgive him it started to crack it becan.Which actually makes sense when you think about it.I mean Peter did have Matt's ability so his emotions would effect the mindscape greater then even Sylar's own.Same thing basically occurs between Matt inside of the Speedsters Mind when she is dying. -- Tbora 22:32, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The Wrong Focus?

Does anyone else feel that entirely too much time is devoted towards HRG/Claire. Did we actually learn anything relevant in this episode about HRG that warranted taking away time from the plot from moving forward? Pointless filler if you ask me. Also while you're asking me, I feel essential information about the 'years' Peter/Sylar were trapped should have been shown.--Halfxwitted 22:29, 1 February 2010 (EST)

• I think we're supposed to leave that to imagination (and fanfiction for all those writters out there).--WarGrowlmon18 22:33, 1 February 2010 (EST)
  • I agree with you one hundred percent, even if for a filler, the Noah flashbacks were actually pretty cool and developed him further as a character. -- Tbora 22:35, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Hey...

It was that one flashback only ability again! The guys with that ability sure have a hard time staying alive. At least this one didn't have a daughter he was defending.--Ratclaws 22:34, 1 February 2010 (EST)

• Number 1 Rule of Seismic Burst: Seconds after activating your ability, you will be shot and killed. No exceptions. --Whizzles 22:47, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Revelations about Noah

That explains his hatred of specials and his blood-thirsty methods at points although I wish we knew if he ever found Richard or not. Imagine having to go through all of that. He noticably changed, note at the cardealership the last time he wasn't so helpful with the couple and instead was pushing to sell the car he wanted sold.--WarGrowlmon18 22:36, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Peter's dream of Emma

I think I get it now: Samuel is going to use Doyle to force Emma to use her power to summon people to the Carnival where he and the other carnies will terrorize them with their powers and kill them. Emma won't be directly responsible for the deaths, she's just the lure. That preview also confirmed Doyle was controlling her too. I love those lines by Sylar and Doyle: "your one of us!!!!!!!!!!!", "no, I'm a hero." Never thought I'd hear Sylar say that and mean it.--WarGrowlmon18 22:39, 1 February 2010 (EST)

The Carnival's teleportation ability

I know this isn't important, but I really wish they'd give us some kind of an explanation for that as it can clearly teleport.--WarGrowlmon18 22:41, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Howie Kaplan

Didnt sylar say something about howie kaplan beating peter at something? daevon 22:42, 1 February 2010 (EST)