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Is Linderman a supporting character? He hasn't even appeared yet.... And if he is, then why aren't the waffles? -- Cuardin 15:49, 29 January 2007 (EST)

He has to go somewhere, and considering how connected he is to everybody, he'd look silly on Minor Characters. And he hasn't occurred, let alone recurred, so that rules out Recurring Characters.--Hardvice (talk) 15:57, 29 January 2007 (EST)
I get you point, even if the "Since he doesn't exist, he can't be a minor character, ergo he is a major character"-logic taes a while to digest :P -- Cuardin 16:10, 29 January 2007 (EST)
Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. Still ... even unseen, he's a bigger story element than, say, Molly Walker or Jackie.--Hardvice (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2007 (EST)
I do think he's weird here, but I see no other option ... unless we make "Portal:Unseen Characters", but I'm neither sold nor, um, bought? on that idea. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:20, 29 January 2007 (EST)
Hi. I don't think Linderman qualifies as a "main" (1st-tier) supporting character at this point. He really is still on the periphery (if aired episodes have precedence in telling apart canon from speculation). I think the primary supporting characters should be those in (or closest to) the fore of the story. In this case, I believe those who readily qualify are the ones that are aware of the existence of the 'heroes', either from being a hero himself/herself or being a confidant(e) of a main character.
Thus I suggest taking out Linderman and Tina, and swapping in Janice Parkman. --Mercury McKinnon 19:32, 8 February 2007 (EST)
I agree Tina has to go. Janice fits here, too, you're right. But by your definition, Linderman would stay - he certainly knows of Isaac's precognition, and I'm sure he's aware of others' powers. Again, he's weird anywhere since he hasn't been seen. But he'll make his appearance soon enough, and I'm sure then he'll definitely belong as a supporter. May as well leave him here until then. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:37, 8 February 2007 (EST)
Hi again. Actually, I don't think Linderman qualifies 'as a supporting character by my "definition". At this point, and on the basis of aired episodes, Linderman is on the periphery rather than near the center of the story, making him a peripheral character. In contrast, supporting characters, um, support the leads, which implies more interaction (and screen-time/presence) with main characters. In the case of Heroes (at least at this stage of the story), possibly the height of this interaction/support is being in on a hero's secret.
And as to whether or not Linderman is aware of the heroes, isn't that more speculative than canonical? I don't know of a scene (please set me straight if I'm wrong) that establishes/confirms that as fact.
So I think Linderman is more of a "recurring character". Despite his non-appearance, he definitely has had recurring mentions.
I do expect that Linderman is being set up to be a supporting (maybe even major) character, but I think he is not one yet at present. [I keep repeating this phrase because I thought that canon (what has actually been shown/seen) always trumping speculation (what has not been confirmed) is a guiding principle on the Heroes Wiki].
All that said, I do respect people who have been building up this Wiki longer than I have. So let's leave Linderman's name (and non-image) in the supporting characters list for another episode or two. But if his presence hasn't increased by then, let's move him to the back row.
Thanks. --Mercury McKinnon 04:14, 9 February 2007 (EST)
Right, much of Linderman's involvement is speculation, but since our arbitrary designation of whether or not a character is supporting or recurring is really fan-based and not canon-based, it kind of hits a fuzzy line. I don't really care where Linderman goes, I've said I think he's weird anywhere. But we haven't really decided on a definition for supporting or recurring yet. I don't really think it should be based on whether or not a character is "in on a heroes' secret." If Lyle regains his memory or sees the tape again, I don't think that means he should become supporting. Brody knew about Claire's power before his memory was erased, too. And we even have some evolved humans in the recurring and minor categories — they certainly don't belong as supporting characters. Though it makes sense in some realms, it can be seen as a pretty capricious way to define a character, if you ask me. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:00, 9 February 2007 (EST)
Linderman doesn't really seem like he belongs with all these other characters imo.. he's closer to recurring imo.. even though this is the 1st time we've seen him, he's been on the phone before. but considering this is the first time weve seen him, he's hardly a supporting character. --Frantik (Talk) 22:26, 5 March 2007 (EST)
This distinction could go back and forth--for me, he's mentioned and referenced more than many other characters. Personally, I think he's supporting rather than recurring. Doesn't really matter, though, does it? It's just a quirky Heroes Wiki-based distinction. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:29, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Sylar

  • Isn't Sylar a main character? Being the main villain in the show...--Arnisturlu 13:37, 19 February 2007 (EST)
    • No. The Main characters only include those who are signed as series regulars. Zachary Quinto has not been signed as a series regular. The only series regular added is Jack Coleman as Mr. Bennet, who became a regular as of Six Months Ago. This is pretty much the only category that isn't completely arbitrary.--Hardvice (talk) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (EST)
      • What's interesting is that Tawny Cypress is a main character, but has appeared less than any other main character, and less than some supporting characters. James Kyson Lee is a supporting character, but has appeared in every episode so far. Things that make you go "hmmm"...RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:10, 19 February 2007 (EST)
      • Sylar should be classified as a main character, as in an interview with Zachary Quinto, he said that the character is in season 2. --Thyrs chc93
        • In Season Two, if/when Zachary Quinto is signed on as a principal actor, then Sylar will be promoted. Until then, he should stay where he is since he is still not given full billing. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:52, 20 May 2007 (EDT)


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Updating actor counterparts

If the changes made to the supporting/recurring characters stay as they are, then Deirdre Quinn, Rena Sofer, and Lisa Lackey all need to be adjusted accordingly, as well as their portals and Template:actornav. I don't have time to do this, I'm headed to work. Have a good day, y'all — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:04, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Classifying characters as of the 2nd hiatus

I think now's a good point to reassess character classifications as to Supporting, Recurring and Minor. As I see it, characters should be reviewed from the standpoint of significance / how central they are to the story. To put it another way, if a new viewer wanted to get up to speed on Heroes, which characters would the viewer have to be familiar with to appreciate the story.

As I've said before, I believe "Supporting Characters" should be those that closely support the Main/Principal Characters, from their being frequently-appearing foils or confidants. These are characters that a (casual) viewer would most have to know about after the leads. Sandra Bennet and Angela Petrelli I feel have been shown to be more significant characters in the story, and that viewers should know them to a good extent. I have upgraded them to Supporting.

"Recurring Characters" are those that have appeared more than once. However, they could be distinguished from Supporting Characters by their lesser significance. A viewer would probably only need to have some idea of who a recurring character is (or more precisely what they did) in order to appreciate the story -- (for example, that Hiro loved a waitress; the Sureshes were helped by a spirit guide; Claire has a brother) but need not know these characters in more depth (the viewer could possibly not even have to know the character's name). In the case of Thompson and Candace, I have admittedly speculated that they will play a significant role, but again from the standpoint of a viewer just tuning in to the show after the 2nd hiatus, I feel that these 2 are characters that they will need to know about to follow the story when it resumes. Accordingly, the Heroes Wiki should probably highlight these characters over...

"Minor Characters", I think, are those characters that a casual viewer could not know about but still not miss out on the story. Sakamoto and FBI Agent Thayer I think are, at this point, not as essential to the plot as other characters that have recurred. I have moved them from Recurring to Minor.

--Mercury McKinnon 15:05, 8 March 2007 (EST)

  • I like the changes made. I'm especially glad to see Angela promoted. (Kring in Entertainment Weekly: "[Angela Petrelli] is one of several puppet masters pulling the strings" along with Kaito Nakamura and Mr. Linderman.)

    I agree a character's status should be based on their screen time. Some have said in the past that it should be based on their knowledge of powers, or how much "support" a character gives. That kind of distinction lends itself to a whole lotta debate and back-and-forth, and just too many problems. I say stick to screen time--there should be no debate if that guides our classifications.

    Last thing: when promoting/demoting a character, don't forget to also promote/demote the actor. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2007 (EST)