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Oh, I love this idea. These will look terrific. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:22, 12 February 2007 (EST)

Sliced bottom

Heh. The bottom of the quote is getting cut off. "Basement letters" (that's what we call p, q, j, etc. in 2nd grade) are not showing up fully. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:27, 12 February 2007 (EST)

2 speakers

Okay, another issue... Should we keep this template limited to single-speaker quotes, or shall we have a speaker1 and speaker2 variable. My gut says stick with one, since two speakers can go back and forth for quite awhile. Plus, you typically only see single-speaker quotes in print. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)

  • True, in literature ou quote things that people say because they are supposedly wise and knowing. We quote because we like a funny exchange and many times those exchanges are 3-way between two people. I think we should most definately allow 2-people quotes. -- Cuardin 15:33, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • For simplicity's sake, that should probably be a separate template. We can do it with parserfunctions, but it will get kind of complicated.--Hardvice (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2007 (EST)
      • Yeah, I just don't like the idea of a two-person quote in these boxes. It would look funny to have multiple quotation marks, and it would get really confusing to make sure it's formatted correctly. This template actually quite reminds me of the quotes on the CBR interviews. Very simple, nothing long. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:44, 12 February 2007 (EST)

Formatting

I think the font is a bit too big. The lines are practically running together on my test post (viewed in IE 6.0). --Ted C 15:35, 12 February 2007 (EST)

  • Yeah, I just reduced it a bit.--Hardvice (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • Yep. Looks better. --Ted C 15:37, 12 February 2007 (EST)

Float appears to actually default to the left, as the test below shows. --Ted C 15:38, 12 February 2007 (EST)

  • It's because you have a blank float=. Template defaults only work if the variable is missing (or commented out).--Hardvice (talk) 15:43, 12 February 2007 (EST)

Test

Before I hit the ground — when I knew what was about to happen — I had this flash in my head of this girl that I met in Texas. This cheerleader — she could heal herself. God she's a sweet kid. Sad little smile, she just — You were wrong! I don't have to cut her out. I have to remember her!
Peter Petrelli, to Claude
(Distractions)

Just to see what the result looks like with a large quote. --Ted C 15:35, 12 February 2007 (EST)

  • Though it looks okay with this quote, I would be cautious of doing anything too long. I hesitate to suggest a maximum length, I just think if (IF) we use quotes in such a way, we should use a lot of discretion to make sure they're illustrative, punchy, and enhance the article rather than detract. (That's not a judgment statement, just my personal opinion for a guiding principle.) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:46, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • Should we put in a recommendation of only one quote template per page? --Ted C 15:52, 12 February 2007 (EST)


Formatting of articles

Should we start using this across the site? If so, should we retain the "Memorable Quots" section of each character, or move the quotes to the respective episodes in the characters hisotry? -- Cuardin 15:37, 12 February 2007 (EST)

  • I don't relish the idea of mass-changing all the "Memorable Quotes" sections. Furthermore, this template doesn't lend itself well to multiple quotes. I'd just use it once per article for a "signature quote" that really helps that article. --Ted C 15:39, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • Right now, it's really just here for consideration. User:ZachsMind brought up the idea of in-text quotes, so I thought I'd try it out. I really like it, but it solves none of our quote problems ... quotes that are too long will still be too long, and pages that have too many quotes or low quality quotes will still have too many quotes or low quality quotes.--Hardvice (talk) 15:40, 12 February 2007 (EST)
      • If this is to be used, it really would look best on episode pages only. But let's give it some time so people can weigh in before we start making big changes. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:42, 12 February 2007 (EST)
        • I put my test quote on the Peter Petrelli page. Open to comments... --Ted C 15:43, 12 February 2007 (EST)
          • Hmm, I'm not so sure how I feel about it there. It's a great quote and looks nice now, but it could potentially turn into the same problem as having too many images, and turn the page into a maze. I still think it's best on episode pages.... The other problem is that if it's on Peter Petrelli's page, then Peter Petrelli becomes bold, and that looks kind of funny, but could probably be easily taken care of in the template. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:52, 12 February 2007 (EST)
            • I think potential problems can be avoided if we institute a "one quote template per page" policy. --Ted C 16:05, 12 February 2007 (EST)
              • I don't want to speak for User:ZachsMind, but I think the whole idea was to find a way to include quotes in the text when they're needed, like images. An artificial cap on quotes defeats that purpose. For example, a couple quotes on an episode page is probably fine. A couple quotes on, say, Bus accident victim would be overwhelming.--Hardvice (talk) 16:12, 12 February 2007 (EST)
                • Mainly, I think it will just look too crowded if we have more than one of these templates on-screen at the same time. If you have more than one for any given page, you probably need a "Memorable Quotes" section, anyway. This template is an emphasis piece: I wouldn't want it used to throw out a bunch of quotes. --Ted C 16:22, 12 February 2007 (EST)
                  • The context of the discussion that spawned it was a potential replacement for memorable quotes, though. Otherwise, I don't think we need it at all.--Hardvice (talk) 16:30, 12 February 2007 (EST)
                    • Unquestionably, we don't need it. The question is whether we want it. Is it a useful option for pages? I think that it can be valuable for pages where you really want a particular quote to stand out. I don't see it as a good replacement for a "Memorable Quotes" section where you want to have multiple quotes on a page, all more-or-less equally relevant. --Ted C 16:33, 12 February 2007 (EST)
                      • Don't get me wrong, I really like it (heck, I made it!) I just can't help but think that we're making the quote problem even worse if we don't look at using it to eliminate Memorable Quotes from at least most pages. And I think an episode summary with one or two floated quotes and one or two floated images (and no quotes section) would be pretty slick looking.--Hardvice (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2007 (EST)
                        • Emphasis on the "one or two". We're going to have to enforce some discipline in the use of floating quotes. They look good, but it would be easy to over-do them. Same goes for a lot of things, I suppose. We've allowed people to be pretty free with quotes and images so far, but now we're most of the way through the first season, and the quotes and images are starting to pile up. Maybe we should start a Article formatting policies page with accompanying discussion? --Ted C 16:50, 12 February 2007 (EST)
                          • Probably a good idea. But of course we'll just be trading one problem for another: let's say we limit episodes to two images (other than the lead image and the title shot) and two quotes. People will spend all their time edit warring which two images and which two quotes. There will be six-page discussions about the relative merits of pictures of Claire getting a manicure versus pictures of Hiro doing something goofy. I just don't see a solution that doesn't cause more problems.--Hardvice (talk) 16:55, 12 February 2007 (EST)

Margin

Okay, here's the margin logic in the template:

{{#ifeq: {{{float|}}} | left | margin-right: 1em; | margin-left: 1em;}}

Now, that should make margin-right 1em if float equals left, and margin-left equal 1 em if float is right, anything else, or absent. Instead, it seems to be putting no margin if float is right, and margin-right if float is absent. This makes no sense. Help plz.--Hardvice (talk) 15:58, 12 February 2007 (EST)

  • I am no help to you there, bud. Calling Orne!RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:02, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • I got it to include the padding without regard to the value of float by moving the test to be the last thing in the style block. That indicates to me that there's a problem with the test, since it was also losing some of the subsequent formating.--Hardvice (talk) 16:08, 12 February 2007 (EST)
      • Never mind, I got it. I changed it so that the test only filled in the word "left" or "right", and now it seems to work.
        • Never mind some more, I was using IF instead of IFEQ.--Hardvice (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2007 (EST)
    • Sorry guys, I'm in the midst of some settlements projects here at work. I'm going to be busy till the end of the month I think. --Orne 17:09, 12 February 2007 (EST)