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I started a page for the number 9. Please feel free to make any changes you want. And don't feel like my feelings will be hurt if you delete anything. It's really just a template until anybody actually comes up with anything good.--E rowe 18:32, 28 January 2007 (EST)

  • Looks good so far. Nice job! I've never really given the number much thought, but I'll bet there are a bunch more examples.
  • I want to format the two points that follow the suggestion that the world is at the end of an era so that they are read as supporting points for that. Is that done clearly enough? It looks like somebody (Heroe?) edited them back out to main points.--E rowe 21:18, 28 January 2007 (EST)
    • Yes, it's done clearly enough in my opinion.

      This article is cool for theories, but it really needs to be cleaned up so it's not just a dumping ground for every theory about the number. I'd like to go back to Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite's original quotes in their articles: "The number 9 is pretty important in the grand scheme of things." "We did lots of research ... some of which came from Hindu and Indian mythology. ... We've said the number 9 is important." I think we need to mention just the occurances of 9 in the show (there aren't really too many right now, eh?), and maybe a mention of the number's significance in Hindu and Indian mythology. Everything else is fluff and could probably be cut. Just my opinion. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:23, 28 January 2007 (EST)

      • I think this page should be formatted with tables like the main theories page. Then there are appropriate boxes for supporting points and comments in reply. Something like the Taj Mahal idea wouldn't necessarily have to be eliminated. And the 2 supporting points I made in the bottom section would be aligned more clearly with their main point. Can somebody help with that (or do it)?--E rowe 23:53, 28 January 2007 (EST)

It would be good to throw in the fact that the series is following a series of 9 episode arcs. The current run ends at 18, and ep9 was the Save the Cheerleader episode.

8th Wonder

I don't get this line about the Taj Mahal. First, the 7 wonders of the world is a list from Herodotus. It isn't for some expert to just add an 8th wonder. And as for magnificent things that have been given that label, there are TONS of them. Is there any reason the Taj Mahal should be viewed as THE 8th wonder so that the heroes would then be the 9th? What am I missing?--E rowe 23:23, 28 January 2007 (EST)

A lot of people believe it is the 8th wonder, for whatever reason that may be. The person who wrote it in the article space may have been quoting the interview that spawned the "9 theory" (read this), or may have actually been thinking of a bona fide source. It's easy to find articles on the subject (see here), and even Wikipedia plays with the idea (read this and this). Hope that helps! :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:30, 28 January 2007 (EST)
The Taj Mahal is the most prevalent of the "8th Wonder"s of the world (it's even mentioned in some textbooks), so that's why I pointed to that one as the (semi-)real thing. You can read more about the Wonders in the real Wikipedia. - --Don O. Nova 23:35, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Well the concept of the 7 wonders isn't my beef. And if the only references to the Taj Mahal being the 8th wonder are places about the Taj Mahal, then it doesn't have any more of a claim than any of the other 8th wonders. Do I really need to pull up a hundred links to pages about King Kong that call him the 8th wonder? Or Ander the Giant? Or compound interest? As for the comment on the interview, it wasn't the writer who called Taj Mahal the 8th wonder, it was the interviewer.--E rowe 23:37, 28 January 2007 (EST)
Who says the Taj Mahal is any more prevalent than any of the other 8th wonders? Seriously.--E rowe 23:38, 28 January 2007 (EST)
If you really think the Taj Mahal is THE 8th wonder, or even the main 8th wonder, just Google "8th wonder" and see how few references there are to the Taj Mahal compared to the others. I'm not saying it doesn't deserve the title. I just see no reason to believe that it actually has anything to do with the comic book title, notwithstanding the comment made by that interviewer and repeated here.--E rowe 23:42, 28 January 2007 (EST)
I removed the reference to the Taj Mahal to make this all a bit easier. There are many other sites that are considered the 8th Wonder, so there's no need to argue about which one is the most prevalently recognized. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:51, 28 January 2007 (EST)

Petrelli 9

Perhaps 9 is the number of evolved human bastards Nathan has abandoned? --AverageMan 10:58, 6 February 2007 (EST) It's a HUGE stretch, and I don't really see it working out, but it's a thought... Evil-Jeremy 10:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)

Genetic Code

--MBorzill 18:02, 6 March 2007 (EST) We can see on Suresh's map that he lists different codons on post it notes. Codons can have different lengths, always in triplet pairs. Lenghts of six and nine generally only occur with mutations. This happens when one or more bases are inserted into the genetic message. They typically render a gene inactive. perhaps, these heroes are the exceptions. I don't remember anything from biology, so if anyone here is qualified to research this, cowboy up. The rest of these 9 hypotheses seem to be reaching.

Read: Francis Crick, Nobel Laureate at


Latest CBR

I'm not in the mood to clean up the article, but anybody who is interested in the actual influence the number 9 has on the show should read the lastest CBR interview. Good stuff! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:35, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Heroes as allegory for Hindu myth

I don't know where to post this, so I hope you'll excuse my edit. From the reading I've done both at university and in the four years since, it is clear to me that Heroes is a very specific type of allegory, and Five Years Gone only confirms this for me. A few terms to consider: Rama, Ravana, Navratras, Akashic Records, cosmic involution, Chakra. There are two moments in Five Years Gone which are absolutely convincing for me: first, the fact that Niki Sanders and Peter Petrelli are romantically involved, five years later; second, and most importantly, that when Sylar and Peter Petrelli meet in the hallway at the end of the episode, Sylar invokes Manipur Chakra and Peter Petrelli invokes Svadhistan Chakra to counter it.

On another random Heroes blog, I mentioned that it would be quite useful to attempt to categorize the heroes into sub-classes based on the elemental manifestations of their powers; I'll finish this edit by listing the six Chakras, into which each hero we've seen can be classified:

  • Muladhara: earth element, associated with the number 56
  • Manipur: water element, associated with the number 52
  • Svadhistan: fire element, associated with the number 62
  • Anhata: air element, associated with the number 54
  • Visudhi: ether element (think Hana Gitelman, Micah), associated with the number 72, and
  • Ajna: mind element (think Matt Parkman, The Haitian), associated with the number 64.

The numbers associated with the elements are said to be the number of cosmic 'rays' necessary to cause that element to invoke its cosmic involution. How many rays are there in total? 360. Like a circle. It's the universal sakti -- the number of creation.

Lander 05:21, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Um.... the nine unknown men are starting to make A LOT OF SENSE if you look into it. Especially about the nine books. Each of the nine men must guard a truth that could shatter society, and each have a corresponding book to them:
    • Propaganda
    • Physiology
    • Microbiology
    • Cosmology
    • Alchemy
    • Communication
    • Gravitation
    • Light (control)
    • Sociology

Now it is quite obvious that two can be represented by two of the remaining individuals from the group of twelve: Alchemy (Bob) and Communication (less obviously, refers to all forms of communication including telepathic and extraterrestrial but obviously now Maury Parkman) But one is interesting in a subtle way -- microbiology seems to be referring to curative measures and it is said that the reason the Ganges is a healing waters is because the man in charge of the microbiology book placed healing microbes into the water. Now I bet that it is quite easy to see Daniel Linderman being this character. Other subtle gifts were Propaganda and Physiology, which speak of "molding mass opinion" and "the death-touch." The death-touch made me instantly think of the woman from Paris in the Graphic Novel. Gravitation is exactly what you would have guessed: flight. I could not find Cosmology and Sociology explained any further, And light seems to be used as like lasers and other light controlling features. Now with Propaganda, Angela Petrelli came to my mind for there are a few theories that she has a similar power to Eden, and of course Nathan came to mind for gravitation. Sociology, Cosmology, and Light are, however, a mystery to me. Now I could be trying to hard to fit this into the heroes realm, but for me, they were like light bulbs turning on. Also, they are said to want to protect the earth, in an almost "greater good" kind of way, similar to Linderman, Angela, (and from tongihts preview)Bob's mentality. Are y'all with me on this? Random guy 04:12, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

  • What nine books are you referring to? Pretty interesting, though I think the writers stated that Angela's ability has to deal with her "moving from point A to B".--Bob (talk) 04:18, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, I know, I was thinking about that two... could she also be able to fly like her son? anyway -- I looked all over for this and found it at an obscure site. I will post it. ok so maybe not so obscure: a portion of the text I read is on Wikipedia, but a lot of the supplement was found when i read this Random guy 04:30, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Though you can also look at it as some of the other supers (none 12): Claire/Microbiology, Matt/Communication, Eden/Propaganda, Isaac/Cosmology, Niki/Physiology(she definitely has a death touch), Nathan/Gravitation, Claude/Light... ummm... which leaves out Peter, Hiro, DL, Micah, and replaces them with "lesser" characters, and still doesn't give us a clue about Sociology, and Alchemy is related to Bob and no other character. I have to find more about this. I also have this strange feeling someone is wathcing me now.I haven't felt this way in a while. Creepy!!! Random guy 04:40, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Okay, So I work at a library and found some ancient Sanskrit scriptures from the Asokan era... I know I am really into this lately, I will probably end up reading some guy name Jocolliot who wrote a book about the 9UM. Random guy 20:01, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
    • The Nine Unknown Men is so obviously the unifying mythology behind Heroes that I think all the rest of it should be sidelined in favor of it. If nothing else, Bob the transmutator kind of gives it all away. Each book represents a discipline & each hero potentially has all the powers within that discipline but only manifests one power to start with. As for Cosmology, does "space & time" ring a bell for anyone? And the Sociology discipline is also described in NUM mythology as predicting the course of history. And do I really have to point out that the current story arc is about a biological plague on the horizon? Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that NUM is the master key to Heroes. Do we have a separate page for NUM yet?Scalefree 00:16, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
      • I think adding a page is a great idea. Just as long as I am a part of it. :)Random guy 01:50, 11 November 2007 (EST)
      • You can make that a user subpage. I'm not really sure how you say it's "obviously" anything, because I'm still confused as to what you're talking about. Not to discredit what you're saying, but it's all speculative. I can go through cereal mascots and say they correspond to the original twelve, but I can't say there's an "obvious" nor definite correlation. So if you'd like to make a page about it, feel free to make it on your user namespace.--Bob (talk) 02:01, 11 November 2007 (EST)
        • Well, ok I made this just now, spent a lot of time on it and it was my first, hope you enjoy it. User:Random guy/Nine Unknown Men. :) Random guy 03:43, 11 November 2007 (EST)
          • I was sure others would pick this up eventually :) --Unfalln 18:06, 27 November 2007 (EST)


I don't understand the goal of finding 9 anywhere. I mean, if Hiro has 1231425345423 hair on the head, then 1231425345423/1231425345423=1, and 1x9=9 OMFG. But what's the point ? With one number you can get any number you want. I post this because of the 23.04.2007=>2+3+4+2+7=>18=>1+8=9... I just think you people are taking drugs :) Btw, I'm borned in 1987, 1+9+8+7=25=>2+5=7 and 7+2=9 woot, I'm Heroes-related! -- FrenchFlo (talk)        17:11, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

  • You're right, people seem to be finding meaning where there is none. It seem very much like LOST-style theorizing....Check out the latest CBR interview -- Aron Coleite and Joe Pokaski pretty clearly confirm how the influence/reference 9 has on Heroes. I haven't really had a chance to go through and get into the reference in depth (maybe on May 22?) but essentially, this whole page should probably be overhauled. It shouldn't be a theory dumping ground anymore, and should be converted into a reference. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:39, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Good point. But just so you understand, the only numbers where the digits add up to nine are multiples of nine. So you can't perform that operation on just any number as you suggest.--E rowe 20:54, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Australian Number of the Beast

I don't think there's any real Australian number of the beast, at least not anything with any actual legendary or religious background. Obviously, when you turn 666 upside-down it's 999, and compared to people in North America Australians are upside-down, but an Australian number of the beast? When I googled it I couldn't come up with anything that looked remotely serious. Did I miss something?--E rowe 20:59, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Main Image

I changed the main image to Mr. Parkman's door. I also saw a better shot of it in tonight's episode (Fight or Flight). It was right after Mr. Parkman left after imprisoning Matt and Nathan. Maybe someone can upload that image?--E rowe 21:33, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

  • The perfect "9" shot is at 19:18 on the online video of Fight or Flight at The camera zooms right in to the number after Maury leaves the apartment. Can anyone upload that shot to use for our main image here?--E rowe 12:51, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

No one reads Dante anymore?

I'm surprised that there's no mentioning of the nine circles of Hell. To me, at least, that's the most obvious reference. --Borowki 18:56, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

  • Could you elaborate? Is there a reference or allusion of some kind to that in the show?--E rowe 18:59, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
    • ummm... If you are referring to Dante's Inferno and the Canterbury Tales by Chaucer, there only seven circles of hell. ( Random guy 22:02, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
      • ok scratch that, there are two others after the seventh, the seventh is just the one for violent sinners. way to go finding that reference. Random guy 22:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
        • Don't forget the positive: the nine spheres of heaven. Random guy 22:47, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
          • I figure people would at least remember the Onion article "Tenth Circle Added To Hell" :-) --Borowki 17:16, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Crop circle

Has anyone ever seen this crop circle before:

interestingly enough it has 9 points and a symbol that looks eerily like the heroes symbol...

Plan 9 from Outer Space

Admin just brought this up. Can we add it to the list of references?--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:16, 16 January 2008 (EST)

  • I said it purely as a joke. What does this movie have to do with Heroes? (Admin 01:50, 16 January 2008 (EST))
    • The Symbolic Meanings of the Number 9 section lists all sorts of ancient myths related to the number 9, so I'm thinking we might add some urban/modern myths as well such as the one described by that movie.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:20, 16 January 2008 (EST)
      • I feel like any references on that page should have some kind of direct correlation with Heroes in some way or else it becomes one large page listing all the places where 9 appears anywhere regardless of any potential connection to the show... and that doesn't strike me as very useful or relevent to Heroes. I could go for it if The Company ever referred to something as "Plan 9" or something, but currently I don't see any relation to the show. (Admin 02:27, 16 January 2008 (EST))
      • I see a lot of religious references there, too, without any direct reference to the show. While my thought would be to eliminate them as well, they've claimed that there are religious overtones to the show so I can see that as a potential reason to leave them in. However to me the ground for their inclusion is tenuous at best without some kind of direct reference to something within the show. (Admin 02:30, 16 January 2008 (EST))

Make it 10 or 11 ;)

"Obviously there are a lot more than 9 people on the show with powers. But there might be a main group of 9. The promotional image of the main characters includes 12 people, 9 of whom are known to have powers. These 9 people appear in Peter's vision.

The nine with powers are: Peter Petrelli, Nathan Petrelli, Hiro Nakamura, D.L. Hawkins, Niki/Jessica Sanders, Micah Sanders, Isaac Mendez, Claire Bennet, and Matt Parkman."

Assuming season 1 only: Sylar's pretty main. ;) (and so is the Haitian). Stevehim 10:08, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I think it refers to the actors credited as main/regular. In this case, there are only twelve of them, unless you include Jessica. Sylar became a regular in Season 2. - Tristan0709 talk 20:17, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Sylar became credited as a main/regular after Homecoming--Steelymcbeam 17:51, 18 January 2009 (EST)

Sylar and Peter's relations are also related to 9

I dont think anyone noticed that G is nine letters apart from P what does that make in Heroes?Something to do with Peter's and Sylar's relations.Sylar's real name is Gabriel Gray and he has A LOT to do with Peter Petrelli.G=9 letters from P.Its gotta do somethin with Sylar's and Peter's relation ship doubled by the initial and main letters are reapeated twice.Weird way of working like this,maybe I have IA now.LOL.--ZeroTime 06:06, 1 June 2009 (EDT)