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How do I do re-directs?

  • That depends on what you want to redirect, and to what you want to redirect it.--Hardvice (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2007 (EST)
    • Let's say someone types SED. What code or process do I have to do for it to redirect to the Haitian.
      ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 14:32, 18 February 2007 (EST)
      • SED is already covered on Glossary. We redirect fan nicknames to that page, not to the articles. That way, there's an explanation.--Hardvice (talk) 14:45, 18 February 2007 (EST)
        • How were you able to redirect it to Glossary? before I would just get a blank search results.
          ~ ~ ~ ~ Red = 15:46, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Are there episode commentaries?

  • I noticed you made a reference to that in the article Wind chime. -- Cuardin 01:49, 2 February 2007 (EST)
    • Yeah. On the NBC site, you can watch the last two episodes with side-by-side video commentary (though I'm guessing it's U.S.-only). It's been pretty insightful so far.--Hardvice (talk) 02:52, 2 February 2007 (EST)
      • I suppose no one is recording the commentaries for future reference? -- Cuardin 03:57, 2 February 2007 (EST)
        • I haven't had any luck stream-recording video from NBC yet, but I guess I could try recording just the audio or transcribing it by hand if I get the time. AFAIK, "Godsend" was the first episode with commentary (from Sendhil Ramamurthy, Jack Coleman, and Leonard Roberts). "The Fix" has commentary from Greg Grunberg and Hayden Panetierre, and then Greg and Natalie Chaidez.--Hardvice (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2007 (EST)
        • Of course, if they're going to all the trouble of recording them, they'll probably be on the DVDs.--Hardvice (talk) 04:22, 2 February 2007 (EST)


The link you sent me didn't work. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 20:37, 02 February 2007 (EST)


Okay, I might be hebetudinous (just learned that word - it's a doozy, eh?), but could you just give me the breakdown on the interviews: where to add them, when to purge them, etc. Thanks! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:15, 5 February 2007 (EST)

  • Interviews and Template:Interviews is all there is. Right now, I'm keeping the last 10 misc. interviews on the template, just to keep it from getting too huge. There shouldn't be any more 9thWonders interviews, since they were promotional and before the show aired. There's only one CBR interview per episode, so we should be able to fit the whole season before we archive it. And who knows how many Wizard interviews there'll be ... we can burn that bridge and kill the engineer when we get to it. Hope that propels you from hebetudinousness to near-hebephrenia!--Hardvice (talk) 14:22, 5 February 2007 (EST)
  • More to the point: I added everything to interviews 1) to make the page more useful, 2) so I could list dates, and 3) so I could say a little bit about the interview series. I made the "arcvhive" button on the template jump to the proper section, and if and wehn we archive any of the others, we can do the same.--Hardvice (talk) 14:24, 5 February 2007 (EST)
  • The normal process, then, would be like this:
    1. Add interview to subject's page
    2. Add interview to Template:Interviews. Remove one if misc.
    3. Add interview to Interviews--Hardvice (talk) 14:27, 5 February 2007 (EST)
    • Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for. Hebetude eradicated! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:05, 5 February 2007 (EST)


  • If you keep going with all these contributions through the night I'm going to have to start assuming you're just some very sophisticated bot. :) (Admin 05:27, 6 February 2007 (EST))
    • Just waiting for the GN. Still no sign. :( --Hardvice (talk) 05:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Meredith's travels

  • The info about Meredith's travels is good, but it belongs on Meredith Gordon, not her home.--Hardvice (talk) 13:32, 6 February 2007 (EST)
    • No problem. I thought about it's placement in both places, and picked 'here home' because of those being 'prior homes', but I can see your point in keeping that page dedicated solely to her current home in Kermit. --(HiroDynoSlayer-talk 14:16, 06 February 2007 (EST))

Nice Work

Nice work on the Petrelli family tree. How do you stop an expoding Nathan? --AverageMan 15:25, 6 February 2007 (EST)


Not sure why you had to remove that twice. As you can see I'didn't re submit it.--ASEO 16:36, 6 February 2007 (EST)

  • There was an intervening edit. Sometimes that screws things up.--Hardvice (talk) 16:39, 6 February 2007 (EST)

March 5th

   *  02/07 - Question: So, Nathan is Claire's father. That explains why Peter and Claire will never get together. Any new scoop on Heroes?— Kelly

Ausiello: Block off the evening of March 5 in your Outlook calendar: That's when the series regular gets grim-reapered.

March fifth would be episode 18.

What can I do with this?

  • Do we not have a spoiler article for 18 yet? I can't count that high without taking my shoes off (let's not talk about what happens when we get to 21).--Hardvice (talk) 01:11, 7 February 2007 (EST)
    • Wow you responded quick. I only see spoiler lists up to episode 17 :P --Riddler 01:12, 7 February 2007 (EST)
      • I don't think we have a title for episode 18 yet. You could add Spoiler:Episode 118 and we can move it to the correct title when it's released, or you could just add it to Spoilers for now and wait until the article gets added. IMHO, either is fine, but we're going to have to add an article for 118 eventually anyway...--Hardvice (talk) 01:14, 7 February 2007 (EST)
        • Now before I do this, one more point should be brought up. Someone said that 117 might be the episode on March 5th, and that 118 will be way out in April. Think that's gonna happen? If so, then Spoiler:Episode 118 is useless right now :P--Riddler 01:17, 7 February 2007 (EST)
          • I'm just going to remove the refs above and add the link to the Spoilers page in the general area. That episode is just too far in the future right now; without a title, or blurbs, or airdates, I feel too much could change for us to make an article at this time. --Orne 19:29, 7 February 2007 (EST)


Did you get my Clach discussion recommendation? --Gargyloveswolfy 19:24, 7 February 2007 (EST) They are at it again, read their comments in the discussion page of Clach, please do something about it PLEASE. --Gargyloveswolfy 20:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)

  • I don't see how any of Doop's edits qualify as vandalism. Most of the points he/she makes on the talk page seem pretty valid. Now that the link is labeled as containing spoilers, it does seem on-point. Claire punching Jackie does seem like it doesn't really belong in that paragraph. The only possible objection is the part about whether Claire would have known if Zach were gay, and that's really pure speculation. It definitely belongs in the article (the fact that it's speculation doesn't make it "redundant"), but it could be made clearer that it's speculation. I'm just not sure what you want me to do, or why. I'm not going to ban somebody for making edits they feel are justified, when they are providing a reason for doing so, just to please somebody else with a contrary opinion. I suggest you two sort it out yourselves.--Hardvice (talk) 20:49, 9 February 2007 (EST)
  • My personal recommendation would be to leave the first paragraph and delete the rest. Everything that needs to be said about the controversy itself is said in the first paragraph. The conversy is that, according to the writers, they intended for the character to be gay and subsequently changed the character (reportedly at the request of Mr. Dekker's management). The rest seems to be opinions on whether he was originally meant to be gay or not, but this is already explained by the first paragraph. The opinions are causing contention akin to whether a particular Theory is valid or not so in the interests of remaining objective I'd opt to remove the subsequent paragraphs entirely. (Admin 20:51, 9 February 2007 (EST))
    • That sounds pretty reasonable. I'll change it now.--Hardvice (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2007 (EST)
      • Bet you can't wait until we're all grown up and have a mediation staff and process of our own, eh? :) (Admin 21:08, 9 February 2007 (EST))
        • Actually, in spite of the fact that I actually rather like the character (gay or straight), I can't wait until Zach leaves the show. When they showed Nathan was Claire's dad, my reaction was "ONE DOWN, ONE TO GO".--Hardvice (talk) 21:10, 9 February 2007 (EST)
          • My theory is that it will be revealed that Zach and Claire are half-brother/half-sister. Nathan will be the father of both of them and Zach's mother will be Mr. Linderman's plate of waffles. Just you wait and see. (Admin 21:15, 9 February 2007 (EST))
        • That, and I'm pleased to note that had we merely followed our own rule and removed all speculation one way or the other to begin with, there would have been no edit war at all.--Hardvice (talk) 21:13, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Supporting Characters

Hi, Hardvice. I had also realized that there would be a consistency issue with other entries right after I had edited the index template. I saw the existing discussion at the supporting characters template portal, so I took some time to chime in there (around the time you and Ryangibson stewart were messaging me). Thanks. --Mercury McKinnon 19:42, 8 February 2007 (EST)


Thanks to your LJ that I found this site. <3 Tfo 16:56, 9 February 2007 (EST)

  • And yes, I am still wandering around this site. I'm frankly astonished at the vastness of the material. And none of it written by nine-year-olds. Tfo 17:35, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Grammar question

This isn't really Heroes related, just a grammar question. So I took this big test today, and it talked about Hybrid Electric Vehicles, but it kept referring to them as HEV's, as in "HEV's ues both gas and electric power." Shouldn't it be HEVs? And then (the nerve!), they did the same thing with 1700's, as in "America in the 1700's was a fascinating time." Again, shouldn't it be 1700s, is it accepted both ways, or am I just crazy? (Don't answer that)... — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:50, 10 February 2007 (EST)

  • Yes, the apostrophe is incorrect (but extremely common). You do use an apostrophe when the abbreviation or acronym uses internal punctuation (Ph.D.'s, for example), so that's probably the culprit. Another common problem: abbreviations and acronyms always take an "s" to become plural, even when they end in a non-s syballant (PXs, not PXes). And stylistically, an acronym only takes internal periods when it would otherwise be confused with a word (H.A.L.O.) or when more than one letter represents a single word (Ph.D.) Acronyms ending in "s" take an apostrophe (SOS's), as do lower-case letters of the alphabet used as letter (cross your t's, mind your Ps and Qs)--Hardvice (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2007 (EST)
    • Thanks, smary pants! I consider myself pretty grammar-savvy, but I didn't realize all those exceptions you mentioned. Good info. And can you believe an test for education had those mistakes? Ugh. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:44, 10 February 2007 (EST)
      • Actually, I only know them because I looked it up to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass. I knew the lower case vs. upper case letter one, but I never knew when you do and don't use periods in an acronym.--Hardvice (talk) 23:12, 10 February 2007 (EST)


We already have a shunt picture: Image:Sylar's shunt.JPG. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2007 (EST)

  • Huh. I looked and totally missed that one. Again, it's been a crack-smoking kind of evening.--Hardvice (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2007 (EST)
    • Hmmm, sounds like fun. Invite me over next time. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:19, 11 February 2007 (EST)


Wouldn't the correct word be Liquification?

Liquefaction may refer to:

   * Soil liquefaction, the process by which sediments are converted into suspension, as in earthquake liquefaction, quicksand, quick clay, and turbidity currents
   * Liquefaction of gases in physics, chemistry, and thermal engineering
   * Liquification, the process of making or becoming liquid (a more general term, sometimes used in place of liquefaction in the energy industry, food processing)

--Riddler 22:26, 13 February 2007 (EST)

  • I sure as heck didn't choose it. I'm not a fan of either.--Hardvice (talk) 23:00, 13 February 2007 (EST)
    • Well "Liquification" redirects to Liquefaction. >_> Also, is it just me, or did those puddles on the floor look solid? Like after they are melted they re-solidify? Maybe it's not melting, per se', but moreover dis-assembling the molecular structure?--Riddler 23:03, 13 February 2007 (EST)
      • I'm glad it's not just me. I said that in the talk page last night (and posted a picture), but the general consensus seems to be that they're liquid. My biggest objection to either liquefaction or liquification is that they just don't seem to stay liquid for very long. You can see shadows and gaps under some of the "puddles" where they don't meet the tarp, and some of them have thick, rounded edges. Ah well ... time will tell.--Hardvice (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2007 (EST)

Cosmetic Surgery

Hey there. Will you do me a favor and perform a bit of tattoo removal from Image:Painting niki.jpg, and then reupload the non-tattoo picture over Image:Painting niki money.jpg? I tried to, but it just didn't come out very nicely. You must have better software than I. Thanks, Dave. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2007 (EST)

Isaac's paintings

Thanks for putting up the gallery on Tim Sale. I was going to do that same thing, so I guess Grand Martial, um .... oh never mind. :) I'm snowed in today, so I'm trolling his forum, in case you couldn't tell. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:42, 15 February 2007 (EST)

  • Excellent finds so far! Have fun and keep warm ... I talked to my grandma yesterday (she's just across the NY border from PA) and she said it's pretty awful up there.--Hardvice (talk) 15:45, 15 February 2007 (EST)
    • It's pretty miserable all over the northeast here. I had to chip away like half an inch of ice from my windshield just to use my car. Bleh. (Admin 15:50, 15 February 2007 (EST))
      • It's freezing here in Texas, too. I had to wear pants instead of shorts when I walked the dogs today!--Hardvice (talk) 15:55, 15 February 2007 (EST)
        • I just shouted "you jerk!" at my monitor. :) Shoveling yesterday and today was a beast. It helps to know some good massage therapists, though! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:19, 15 February 2007 (EST)
          • Come July, when it's 103 here, you will have your revenge. I have lived here all my adult life and I'm still not used to it. When we moved here from England (mid-summer), I kept getting snowblind from the sunlight bouncing off the sidewalks.--Hardvice (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2007 (EST)

Six Degrees

How are you finding shows and movies in which Heroes actors appear together? I know how to do a specific search on IMDb, but I'm sure you're not doing a search for every actor. AFAIK, you can't do a search on IMDb for, say "Ben Cain" and "Heroes" ... What's your secret? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:12, 17 February 2007 (EST)

  • Just clicking on each film/movie on an actor's page and scanning the cast list for matches from memory. It doesn't have to be exhaustive, after all.--Hardvice (talk) 14:32, 17 February 2007 (EST)
    • That's kind of what I figured, but I wasn't sure. ... You know, it's too bad that IMDb doesn't have the capability to match actors with shows, or shows with shows. For instance, how great would it be to search for people that appeared in both Heroes and Star Trek? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:41, 17 February 2007 (EST)

Lame articles

Thanks for removing the links from Sparrow and Teresa. (No, there's no sarcasm in my voice.) When I saw that you removed them, I remembered putting the note in, and I actually thought, "Who's the dumbass who linked their names?" Um, whoops!RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:42, 18 February 2007 (EST)

  • There's probably a good chance we'll need articles for them eventually (I doubt it was completely random that they were marked differently), but I'm just addicted to the empty Wanted Pages.--Hardvice (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2007 (EST)
    • Oh, no, I completely agree with you. What's funny is I even checked the Want Ads a few times tonight and didn't even notice those links. I must have snow on my mind. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:32, 19 February 2007 (EST)


Really, "An ubiquitous"? I thought an was used if it the following word started with a vowel sound, not just a vowel. For instance we say "a user", but "an honest man". Hmm, that's new to me. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:38, 20 February 2007 (EST)

  • You see, in civilised parts of the world, it's often pronouned "oo-bih-kwi-tus" instead of "yoo-bih-kwi-tus". Yeah, we should change it back. My limey roots are showing.--Hardvice (talk) 01:41, 20 February 2007 (EST)
    • Cheerio... We'll settle on "The yoo-bih-kwi-tus". Yes, spelled that way. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:48, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Fare Thee Well, Ms. Cypress

I just checked and it's still not up, but I'm betting tonight's graphic novel will focus on Simone. Thought you might enjoy that... Goodnight! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:38, 20 February 2007 (EST)

  • Wow, it JUST came up... looks like it's Hana. Have fun! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:41, 20 February 2007 (EST)

Proactive Picture Gathering

Just for the record, Dave: 0, Ryan: 2. But who's keeping score?RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:50, 22 February 2007 (EST)

  • Well, they did answer my question about the number of names on the list. But yeah, I guess Aron and Joe are camera shy or something.--Hardvice (talk) 03:34, 22 February 2007 (EST)


I was very happy that you made me feel welcome, and not like a total idiot for thinking the way I did about the STM in the last episode. I guess it was nice to not be attacked by the others like they were. Guy 12:26, 22 February 2007 (EST)

  • You're welcome. Like I said over there, I just don't get what's going on. Personally, I think it's somewhat clear that he did use space-time manipulation, and that the scene is probably just poorly executed, but it's at least as unconfirmed as lots of other things we consider unconfirmed, and more so than many. Considering the many totally obvious things we've called unconfirmed (Simone's death, for example), I just can't figure out why, when there's this much debate here and elsewhere, we're coming down on one side of this one. Oh well.--Hardvice (talk) 12:35, 22 February 2007 (EST)
    • It's because to me for instance it's very clear that scene is using space-time manipulation. :) Even based on the audio alone I have trouble understanding how people couldn't be sure he's slowing down time. (Admin 12:43, 22 February 2007 (EST))
      • Nevertheless, a ton of people do think he's not slowing time, whether their belief is inconceivable or not. And they aren't without evidence: the sound isn't quite exactly the same as Hiro's time stopping, and Claude is moving. I personally think both of those are production errors, but I can see how someone would view them as proof that he's not stopping time.--Hardvice (talk) 13:28, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Fan Creations - Incidental Heroes

Hi, You guys have THE most amazing Heroes website!

I'm a huge fan and thought you might want to know about a fan produced video show/parody on YouTube based on Heroes that I'm creating (4 episodes are up already). It's called Incidental Heroes ( ) and chronicles the experiences of Mackenzie who seems to be crossing between reality and the TV show. Mackenzie has the power to see dead people and dead people from the Heroes TV show in particular. Chandra visits her in the first episode and that's what starts her on her adventure.

Incidental Heroes has been picking up some steam with Heroe fans and has been mentioned in a bunch of entertainment blogs.

I thought you might like to know about it and that it would be a great addition to your Fan Creations section.

Thanks a lot!!! Mackenzie

Accidental trim?

Hey, I'm not sure if you realized you wiped out quite a bit of Theories:People. Was that on purpose? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:20, 23 February 2007 (EST)

  • That's amazingly weird. I added one line to one table.--Hardvice (talk) 20:32, 23 February 2007 (EST)
  • Actually, I think it's because it timed out in the middle of saving the changes because the page is too long. Definitely time to split.--Hardvice (talk) 20:37, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Heh, in that synopsis

I only did pipes for Lyle, Claire, etc, because when it's just[[Claire]] or [[Lyle]] it redirects... and I personally find that annoying. But it's your call, I won't argue it, just wanted to explain myslef :D :P --Riddler 02:11, 27 February 2007 (EST)

  • There's really no reason to prefer one over the other. It's just that the episode articles get kind of long, and using the redirects can keep them off the Long Articles list. But the piped instead of blended links (<nowiki>Mr. Bennet's vs. Mr. Bennet's) do bother me for reasons that have nothing to do with the Wiki and everything to do with me being a freak.